Thank you Danny Ainge for ruining this season

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I apologize in advance, cuz I'm sure you've answered this question a billion times, Roy, but what would you've done about the lack of the backup 3?  My memory is far from great, was there someone that was moved at the deadline that we might've had a shot at?

Reports are that we could have had Anthony Parker, and there's some speculation that we could have landed Battier; Houston is rumored (or at least speculated) to be the 3rd team in the Nate Robinson / Brandan Wright trade that we backed out of.

I would have taken either.

I'm not wild about Parker, but like Battier quite a lot, especially for our team.

However...

If the choice is between Battier and JGreen, and perhaps it was, I like Green better as a bench player and future starter/possible low-level star than I do a few-month rental of Battier.

I surely don't agree that Perk was the key to a title.  Role players step up when it counts and every champion has that stepping-up happen, but Perkins isn't the player that leads a team to a championship...more like the role player that looks like a star playing next to four all stars and presumed future HOF'ers.

This is up there with trading Danny Fortson and Eric Williams, IMO:  both useful role players that time proved to be just that.  Perk's contract will be dead weight in three years.

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I don't believe the Battier stuff either. If that's on the table, it's too much of a no brainer to sign off on. Why would Danny possibly turn it down?

EDIT: As stated by More Banners, unless the trade involved Perkins. In which case, I again agree and would prefer Green.

[Roy H.]

I apologize in advance, cuz I'm sure you've answered this question a billion times, Roy, but what would you've done about the lack of the backup 3?  My memory is far from great, was there someone that was moved at the deadline that we might've had a shot at?

Reports are that we could have had Anthony Parker, and there's some speculation that we could have landed Battier; Houston is rumored (or at least speculated) to be the 3rd team in the Nate Robinson / Brandan Wright trade that we backed out of.

I would have taken either.

If you look at what Houston ended up getting for Battier, it seems extremely unlikely that we could have gotten him.  As for Anthony Parker, I'm skeptical as to how useful he would have been.  In my mind he'd have been little better than Michael Finley was for us last year, maybe a bit more mobile.

While I can appreciate that you believe trading Perk was too much, I think some kind of significant trade was necessary.  We weren't going to go all the way riding Pierce with no real wing backup.

I think the question of whether we could have matched Memphis' offer to Houston depends upon how much you see Thabeet as a legit prospect.  Since he's currently in the D-League and hasn't contributed a thing for Houston, I'm not sure that they see a lot of value of him.  We'll see, I guess, but I think expiring contracts (including Brandan Wright, and Marquis' deal paid by insurance) + Semih + #2 would have been enough.

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However, I would say that if the team was so mentally fragile that losing Perk would put them in this kind of a funk, they didn't have what it takes to fight their way through 4 post-season series anyway.

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I've heard the word "fragile" used a few times here.  I guess I don't really see it that way.  Sure, part of it could still be the "mental hangover", but I think its possible we are still underestimating the 'on court' impact and adjustment.  On defense, Perk was an anchor.  Now you have Nenad, who is not only trying to learn our system, but obviously does not provide the same physical presence as Perk.  And as the saying goes, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  Well when your '5' is not properly "plugged in", you have to expect a significant drop.

On offense, while many have pointed to Perk's scoring deficiencies, there were other ways which Perk made large contributions.  Setting monster picks to free up our shooters is one example.  You would regularly hear national broadcasters like Van Gundy talk about what an underrated part of Perk's game that was.

I guess while I agree with the sentiment that you would hope they would get past the mental/psychological aspect of losing Perk a bit faster/more professionally, I believe a larger part is what was lost from an 'on the court' perspective.

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I apologize in advance, cuz I'm sure you've answered this question a billion times, Roy, but what would you've done about the lack of the backup 3?  My memory is far from great, was there someone that was moved at the deadline that we might've had a shot at?

Reports are that we could have had Anthony Parker, and there's some speculation that we could have landed Battier; Houston is rumored (or at least speculated) to be the 3rd team in the Nate Robinson / Brandan Wright trade that we backed out of.

I would have taken either.

If you look at what Houston ended up getting for Battier, it seems extremely unlikely that we could have gotten him.  As for Anthony Parker, I'm skeptical as to how useful he would have been.  In my mind he'd have been little better than Michael Finley was for us last year, maybe a bit more mobile.

While I can appreciate that you believe trading Perk was too much, I think some kind of significant trade was necessary.  We weren't going to go all the way riding Pierce with no real wing backup.

I think the question of whether we could have matched Memphis' offer to Houston depends upon how much you see Thabeet as a legit prospect.  Since he's currently in the D-League and hasn't contributed a thing for Houston, I'm not sure that they see a lot of value of him.  We'll see, I guess, but I think expiring contracts (including Brandan Wright, and Marquis' deal paid by insurance) + Semih + #2 would have been enough.

Regardless of what you think of Thabeet, if this offers on the table there's no way Danny turns it down. Just doesn't add up to me.

[LarBrd33]

Danny Ainge saved the season... you short-sighted people can't see the big picture.

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Mike

Sorry, imho youre wrong, more than that, youre absolutly wrong
Without those moves Cs were facing the season with 7 players
all of them banged,  a bunch of rookies and Nate

If we are 10-8 with those 7 maybe we were 5 and 13

Edgar

I find it amazing that so many ignore the fact that the Celtics had run out of bodies.  Even adding 5 healthy players we have seldom fielded 10 healthy ones.

[Roy H.]

I apologize in advance, cuz I'm sure you've answered this question a billion times, Roy, but what would you've done about the lack of the backup 3?  My memory is far from great, was there someone that was moved at the deadline that we might've had a shot at?

Reports are that we could have had Anthony Parker, and there's some speculation that we could have landed Battier; Houston is rumored (or at least speculated) to be the 3rd team in the Nate Robinson / Brandan Wright trade that we backed out of.

I would have taken either.

If you look at what Houston ended up getting for Battier, it seems extremely unlikely that we could have gotten him.  As for Anthony Parker, I'm skeptical as to how useful he would have been.  In my mind he'd have been little better than Michael Finley was for us last year, maybe a bit more mobile.

While I can appreciate that you believe trading Perk was too much, I think some kind of significant trade was necessary.  We weren't going to go all the way riding Pierce with no real wing backup.

I think the question of whether we could have matched Memphis' offer to Houston depends upon how much you see Thabeet as a legit prospect.  Since he's currently in the D-League and hasn't contributed a thing for Houston, I'm not sure that they see a lot of value of him.  We'll see, I guess, but I think expiring contracts (including Brandan Wright, and Marquis' deal paid by insurance) + Semih + #2 would have been enough.

Regardless of what you think of Thabeet, if this offers on the table there's no way Danny turns it down. Just doesn't add up to me.

Is it that hard to believe that Danny preferred Krstic + Green + #1 to Perk + Battier minus #1? 

I would have much preferred Battier without giving up Perk, but there are a lot of folks who would disagree, based upon Green's youth and versatility.

[Roy H.]

Danny Ainge saved the season... you short-sighted people can't see the big picture.

Well, at the very least he improved our draft position.  Kudos for that, I guess.

[Rondo2287]

Danny Ainge saved the season... you short-sighted people can't see the big picture.

Well, at the very least he improved our draft position.  Kudos for that, I guess.

I wouldnt say that he saved the season.  I am all for the trade.   But I agree that it hurts us this year and that sucks.  I am trying to keep myself looking at the big picture.  But its tough when the 42 inch picture in my living room is so ugly on a nightly basis.

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I apologize in advance, cuz I'm sure you've answered this question a billion times, Roy, but what would you've done about the lack of the backup 3?  My memory is far from great, was there someone that was moved at the deadline that we might've had a shot at?

Reports are that we could have had Anthony Parker, and there's some speculation that we could have landed Battier; Houston is rumored (or at least speculated) to be the 3rd team in the Nate Robinson / Brandan Wright trade that we backed out of.

I would have taken either.

If you look at what Houston ended up getting for Battier, it seems extremely unlikely that we could have gotten him.  As for Anthony Parker, I'm skeptical as to how useful he would have been.  In my mind he'd have been little better than Michael Finley was for us last year, maybe a bit more mobile.

While I can appreciate that you believe trading Perk was too much, I think some kind of significant trade was necessary.  We weren't going to go all the way riding Pierce with no real wing backup.

I think the question of whether we could have matched Memphis' offer to Houston depends upon how much you see Thabeet as a legit prospect.  Since he's currently in the D-League and hasn't contributed a thing for Houston, I'm not sure that they see a lot of value of him.  We'll see, I guess, but I think expiring contracts (including Brandan Wright, and Marquis' deal paid by insurance) + Semih + #2 would have been enough.

Regardless of what you think of Thabeet, if this offers on the table there's no way Danny turns it down. Just doesn't add up to me.

Is it that hard to believe that Danny preferred Krstic + Green + #1 to Perk + Battier minus #1? 

I would have much preferred Battier without giving up Perk, but there are a lot of folks who would disagree, based upon Green's youth and versatility.

I typed this sentance like eighty five different ways and everytime it came off snarky, so I'll put a precursor that I don't intend to answer rudely:

Yes, I do find it hard to believe.

[Fafnir]

Danny Ainge saved the season... you short-sighted people can't see the big picture.

Well, at the very least he improved our draft position.  Kudos for that, I guess.

Given the overall lack of quality play I don't think the trade should be blamed for it all, that's just excuses. Especially when its our offense overall that has hurt us.

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I apologize in advance, cuz I'm sure you've answered this question a billion times, Roy, but what would you've done about the lack of the backup 3?  My memory is far from great, was there someone that was moved at the deadline that we might've had a shot at?

Reports are that we could have had Anthony Parker, and there's some speculation that we could have landed Battier; Houston is rumored (or at least speculated) to be the 3rd team in the Nate Robinson / Brandan Wright trade that we backed out of.

I would have taken either.

If you look at what Houston ended up getting for Battier, it seems extremely unlikely that we could have gotten him.  As for Anthony Parker, I'm skeptical as to how useful he would have been.  In my mind he'd have been little better than Michael Finley was for us last year, maybe a bit more mobile.

While I can appreciate that you believe trading Perk was too much, I think some kind of significant trade was necessary.  We weren't going to go all the way riding Pierce with no real wing backup.

I think the question of whether we could have matched Memphis' offer to Houston depends upon how much you see Thabeet as a legit prospect.  Since he's currently in the D-League and hasn't contributed a thing for Houston, I'm not sure that they see a lot of value of him.  We'll see, I guess, but I think expiring contracts (including Brandan Wright, and Marquis' deal paid by insurance) + Semih + #2 would have been enough.

Regardless of what you think of Thabeet, if this offers on the table there's no way Danny turns it down. Just doesn't add up to me.

Is it that hard to believe that Danny preferred Krstic + Green + #1 to Perk + Battier minus #1? 

I would have much preferred Battier without giving up Perk, but there are a lot of folks who would disagree, based upon Green's youth and versatility.

I typed this sentance like eighty five different ways and everytime it came off snarky, so I'll put a precursor that I don't intend to answer rudely:

Yes, I do find it hard to believe.

I agree.

[Fafnir]

I apologize in advance, cuz I'm sure you've answered this question a billion times, Roy, but what would you've done about the lack of the backup 3?  My memory is far from great, was there someone that was moved at the deadline that we might've had a shot at?

Reports are that we could have had Anthony Parker, and there's some speculation that we could have landed Battier; Houston is rumored (or at least speculated) to be the 3rd team in the Nate Robinson / Brandan Wright trade that we backed out of.

I would have taken either.

If you look at what Houston ended up getting for Battier, it seems extremely unlikely that we could have gotten him.  As for Anthony Parker, I'm skeptical as to how useful he would have been.  In my mind he'd have been little better than Michael Finley was for us last year, maybe a bit more mobile.

While I can appreciate that you believe trading Perk was too much, I think some kind of significant trade was necessary.  We weren't going to go all the way riding Pierce with no real wing backup.

I think the question of whether we could have matched Memphis' offer to Houston depends upon how much you see Thabeet as a legit prospect.  Since he's currently in the D-League and hasn't contributed a thing for Houston, I'm not sure that they see a lot of value of him.  We'll see, I guess, but I think expiring contracts (including Brandan Wright, and Marquis' deal paid by insurance) + Semih + #2 would have been enough.

Regardless of what you think of Thabeet, if this offers on the table there's no way Danny turns it down. Just doesn't add up to me.

Is it that hard to believe that Danny preferred Krstic + Green + #1 to Perk + Battier minus #1? 

I would have much preferred Battier without giving up Perk, but there are a lot of folks who would disagree, based upon Green's youth and versatility.

I still don't think the Battier deal was out there. Memphis's offer was better than our potential deal in the end.

We could have gotten Parker certainly.

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There was no guarantee that we were going to win the title... and we'll still go deep into the playoffs so I don't see how this has ruined the season. For me, I think it's given me something to talk about.