More Green, less Baby

[mc34]

Green has been very efficient off the bench lately but Baby is getting most of the touches with the second unit. Anyone else agree that Baby needs to take less shots and Green needs to take more? Not to mention more minutes for Green who played only 19 tonight

[JSD]

Did you mean to post this in the "For those that think your seeing the most out of Jeff Green" thread? 

[zerophase]

I agree. More Green, less baby. But maybe more green, less baby later. Right now Baby has better chemistry and knows both the offense and defense better... although at times he doesn't show it.

[Roy H.]

I agree, but it's not entirely clear cut.  Here's what I said in the "Doc's Rotations" thread:

Yeah, I don't understand the rotations and minute distributions. Jeff Green needs to play more.

This is the only major issue I have with the rotation.  If you're going to change the chemistry of the team to bring in Jeff Green, then you've at least got to play him. 

I guess in fairness to Doc, Krstic's rebounding and defense (or lack thereof) makes it tough to play "small ball" without getting totally destroyed inside.  Neither Krstic nor BBD is a good fit at center next to Green at power forward.

The only lineup Doc could maybe play more is KG-Green-Pierce-Ray-Rondo.  That lineup could use a little more run; KG struggles against physical centers sometimes, but he's definitely better than Krstic in that regard.

[IrishGreen]

At this moment in time I feel that if you tell Baby that for every bucket he scores there's a bucket of chicken for him, he will dually provide some spark.

Basically saying he only plays only when he's hungry.

Take that whatever way you want but sometimes he floats about on the offensive end throwing up more bricks than a construction worker with torrets.

[mc34]

I agree, but it's not entirely clear cut.  Here's what I said in the "Doc's Rotations" thread:

Yeah, I don't understand the rotations and minute distributions. Jeff Green needs to play more.

This is the only major issue I have with the rotation.  If you're going to change the chemistry of the team to bring in Jeff Green, then you've at least got to play him. 

I guess in fairness to Doc, Krstic's rebounding and defense (or lack thereof) makes it tough to play "small ball" without getting totally destroyed inside.  Neither Krstic nor BBD is a good fit at center next to Green at power forward.

The only lineup Doc could maybe play more is KG-Green-Pierce-Ray-Rondo.  That lineup could use a little more run; KG struggles against physical centers sometimes, but he's definitely better than Krstic in that regard.

You think we'll be seeing Green get some more burn once Shaq and JO come back? That could make sense, except there won't be a lot of time to build any chemistry

[Roy H.]

You think we'll be seeing Green get some more burn once Shaq and JO come back? That could make sense, except there won't be a lot of time to build any chemistry

I don't know what Doc would do, but I think Green would be a better fit in between, say, JO and Pierce than Krstic and Pierce.

[EJPLAYA]

I would prefer more Green and less Baby, however at a minimum it has to be less Baby shooting and more shots from Ray. Greatest shooter in the history of the NBA and BBD is shooting almost as many shots per game as he is. I blame our recent struggles more on that than about anything.

[CoachBo]

Well, I don't agree at all about Krstic's ineffectiveness. He was more effective tonight than Davis on both ends. He has his place as a situational 5, especially in an offense that generates 15-footers for the 4 and 5 that Glen Davis simply cannot make. Krstic can make them.

As I've said before, Nads is a situational 5. Doc clearly doesn't grasp that or doesn't want to grasp it. If you want to stretch the inside defense, Davis isn't your guy for the pick and pop. Krstic is.

[JSD]

I agree, but it's not entirely clear cut.  Here's what I said in the "Doc's Rotations" thread:

Yeah, I don't understand the rotations and minute distributions. Jeff Green needs to play more.

This is the only major issue I have with the rotation.  If you're going to change the chemistry of the team to bring in Jeff Green, then you've at least got to play him.  

I guess in fairness to Doc, Krstic's rebounding and defense (or lack thereof) makes it tough to play "small ball" without getting totally destroyed inside.  Neither Krstic nor BBD is a good fit at center next to Green at power forward.

The only lineup Doc could maybe play more is KG-Green-Pierce-Ray-Rondo.  That lineup could use a little more run; KG struggles against physical centers sometimes, but he's definitely better than Krstic in that regard.

See, I look at playing KG at the 5 a waste most of the time. He's way more effective at the 4, so playing Green there takes away from him.

It's possible that Ainge made the move because he didn't put that much stock in Perk's game. This notion that Green was the centerpiece of the trade and should get big minutes because of it alludes me. His production and adaption to the system will warrant more minutes.

[Who]

Glen Davis doesn't do well with extended minutes. I haven't been happy with him playing close to 30mpg.

I would like to see his minutes cut and to be down in the 20-24 minute range. Where he can better utilize his energy + hustle ... instead of pacing himself throughout the game and playing at a much lower level.

[EJPLAYA]

I agree, but it's not entirely clear cut.  Here's what I said in the "Doc's Rotations" thread:

Yeah, I don't understand the rotations and minute distributions. Jeff Green needs to play more.

This is the only major issue I have with the rotation.  If you're going to change the chemistry of the team to bring in Jeff Green, then you've at least got to play him.  

I guess in fairness to Doc, Krstic's rebounding and defense (or lack thereof) makes it tough to play "small ball" without getting totally destroyed inside.  Neither Krstic nor BBD is a good fit at center next to Green at power forward.

The only lineup Doc could maybe play more is KG-Green-Pierce-Ray-Rondo.  That lineup could use a little more run; KG struggles against physical centers sometimes, but he's definitely better than Krstic in that regard.

See, I look at playing KG at the 5 a waste most of the time. He's way more effective at the 4, so playing Green there takes away from him.

It's possible that Ainge made the move because he didn't put that much stock in Perk's game. This notion that Green was the centerpiece of the trade and should get big minutes because of it alludes me. His production and adaption to the system will warrant more minutes.

And with that same logic BBD's lack of production and adaptation to Green being the better scorer on the floor when those two are out there together should warrant more time for him riding the pine.

[Roy H.]

It's possible that Ainge made the move because he didn't put that much stock in Perk's game. This notion that Green was the centerpiece of the trade and should get big minutes because of it alludes me. His production and adaption to the system will warrant more minutes.

Nobody is arguing that Green should get minutes out of charity or to save face.  However, if Green is good enough to trade a starter off a championship team, it stands to figure that the team thinks he has some value.  He should get the minutes to prove it. 

(I don't think the argument that Danny traded Perk because he didn't think Perk had a lot of value is legitimate.  Danny is smart enough not to tamper with championship chemistry for a guy who can't play.  I think Danny undervalued Perk's intangible contributions, but even so, he's not a total idiot.)

As for a KG/Green lineup, it's not going to work in every matchup, but the ability to go small is one of the strengths of this team that isn't being taken advantage of, mostly because we don't have a healthy center who can rebound and defend the paint.  KG is the only guy capable of doing that in a small ball lineup right now.

[JSD]

I agree, but it's not entirely clear cut.  Here's what I said in the "Doc's Rotations" thread:

Yeah, I don't understand the rotations and minute distributions. Jeff Green needs to play more.

This is the only major issue I have with the rotation.  If you're going to change the chemistry of the team to bring in Jeff Green, then you've at least got to play him.  

I guess in fairness to Doc, Krstic's rebounding and defense (or lack thereof) makes it tough to play "small ball" without getting totally destroyed inside.  Neither Krstic nor BBD is a good fit at center next to Green at power forward.

The only lineup Doc could maybe play more is KG-Green-Pierce-Ray-Rondo.  That lineup could use a little more run; KG struggles against physical centers sometimes, but he's definitely better than Krstic in that regard.

See, I look at playing KG at the 5 a waste most of the time. He's way more effective at the 4, so playing Green there takes away from him.

It's possible that Ainge made the move because he didn't put that much stock in Perk's game. This notion that Green was the centerpiece of the trade and should get big minutes because of it alludes me. His production and adaption to the system will warrant more minutes.

And with that same logic BBD's lack of production and adaptation to Green being the better scorer on the floor when those two are out there together should warrant more time for him riding the pine.

You'll probably get your wish once we have someone that can fill up the lanes defensively.

[vinnie]

Doc is probably using both krstic and green wrong, which is what happens when you acquire key guys with 25 games left in the season.  Sometimes you need a training camp to figure out this stuff.