The Celtics can't score anymore

[vinnie]

Blame Rondo, Sheed was awful, rush Shaq...I'm outtahere! I'ma get like Doc on Krstic if I stay in here. Peace.

"Rush" Shaq is all relative, given that he has missed two months with an injury that was supposed to keep him out a couple of games -- 

[winsomme]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

decidedly not better in terms of personnel. at the moment both the starting and bench units were better last season.

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
Perk

Nate
TA
BBD
Sheed

Those units make way more sense in terms of what we do and what we need to be successful.

  Nate was bad last year, Delonte should be better. Sheed was pretty bad in the playoffs. You spent all of last year decrying the fact that we didn't have a long backup wing who could shoot with range instead of TA, and we do now. And if Shaq comes back we'll probably have a better starting lineup this year as well.

I do not decry a back up SF/PF at the cost of a starting center.

honestly, Shaq needs to ALREADY be back for that trade to make sense because KG is getting way too burnt out for the point in the season.

when is Shaq gonna say enough with this and get his behind back on the floor. KG needs some freaking back up!

plus I think you are once again underrating how benches play. you did it with Pose and PJ and now you are doing it with Sheed and Nate....

  So if you're worried about KG needing rest, how would he have been looking if we hadn't made the trade? No Krstic, no Green, no Perk for most of the time. Things would be worse now, including our record.

  And how is the bench going to do this year compared to how Nate and Sheed did?

well we'd have our starting unit intact and a bench of Arroyo, DWest, Wafer, Pavlovic, BBD, Murphy and still the possibility of Shaq and JO.

[winsomme]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

[Green Hell]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

decidedly not better in terms of personnel. at the moment both the starting and bench units were better last season.

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
Perk

Nate
TA
BBD
Sheed

Those units make way more sense in terms of what we do and what we need to be successful.

  Nate was bad last year, Delonte should be better. Sheed was pretty bad in the playoffs. You spent all of last year decrying the fact that we didn't have a long backup wing who could shoot with range instead of TA, and we do now. And if Shaq comes back we'll probably have a better starting lineup this year as well.

I do not decry a back up SF/PF at the cost of a starting center.

honestly, Shaq needs to ALREADY be back for that trade to make sense because KG is getting way too burnt out for the point in the season.

when is Shaq gonna say enough with this and get his behind back on the floor. KG needs some freaking back up!

plus I think you are once again underrating how benches play. you did it with Pose and PJ and now you are doing it with Sheed and Nate....

  So if you're worried about KG needing rest, how would he have been looking if we hadn't made the trade? No Krstic, no Green, no Perk for most of the time. Things would be worse now, including our record.

  And how is the bench going to do this year compared to how Nate and Sheed did?

well we'd have our starting unit intact and a bench of Arroyo, DWest, Wafer, Pavlovic, BBD, Murphy and still the possibility of Shaq and JO.

When you put it like that I don't see how this could be looked at as a good trade in anybodies mind.

[BballTim]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

[kg is king]

  Fans are starting to panic and give up on the team's chances, just like last year. Discuss.

I don't think people are on the whole giving up on the team. I just think there is a lot of frustration with elements coming to fruition that were noted but shot down at the time of the trade...

The Cs offense has always worked off their defensive prowess so it stands to reason that the offense would suffer when you make a move that seriously alters your defense.

But defense hasn't been much of the problem as much as the offense. Memphis scored 90, NY scored less than 90 and that is a pretty darn good offense as far as the Knicks are concerned. The team is just coasting and not putting in 48 minutes of effort on both ends for the sake of preserving energy for the playoffs. I see nothing but good out of this. Celtics can win on the road against anyone as they have shown all year and the entire big 3/4 era. Only issue is if they'll make this a trend. Coasting for too long and having difficulties to find that so called switch.

[BballTim]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

decidedly not better in terms of personnel. at the moment both the starting and bench units were better last season.

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
Perk

Nate
TA
BBD
Sheed

Those units make way more sense in terms of what we do and what we need to be successful.

  Nate was bad last year, Delonte should be better. Sheed was pretty bad in the playoffs. You spent all of last year decrying the fact that we didn't have a long backup wing who could shoot with range instead of TA, and we do now. And if Shaq comes back we'll probably have a better starting lineup this year as well.

I do not decry a back up SF/PF at the cost of a starting center.

honestly, Shaq needs to ALREADY be back for that trade to make sense because KG is getting way too burnt out for the point in the season.

when is Shaq gonna say enough with this and get his behind back on the floor. KG needs some freaking back up!

plus I think you are once again underrating how benches play. you did it with Pose and PJ and now you are doing it with Sheed and Nate....

  So if you're worried about KG needing rest, how would he have been looking if we hadn't made the trade? No Krstic, no Green, no Perk for most of the time. Things would be worse now, including our record.

  And how is the bench going to do this year compared to how Nate and Sheed did?

well we'd have our starting unit intact and a bench of Arroyo, DWest, Wafer, Pavlovic, BBD, Murphy and still the possibility of Shaq and JO.

  First of all that's based on the assumption that Perk will be perfectly healthy throughout the playoffs, which is hardly a guarantee. And how many minutes have Green and Krstic played since the trade? No Shaq, Perk, JO, Wafer and some games without Baby. Who plays all those minutes?

[winsomme]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

so wanting them to play less minutes is not related to getting rest for the playoffs? what is the significance of playing less minutes then?

plus, you said "big minutes" not less minutes than in the playoffs.

[BballTim]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

so wanting them to play less minutes is not related to getting rest for the playoffs? what is the significance of playing less minutes then?

plus, you said "big minutes" not less minutes than in the playoffs.

  Is there a point to this? You'd somehow be happier if they were all playing 3-5 more minutes a game for the rest of the season?

[winsomme]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

decidedly not better in terms of personnel. at the moment both the starting and bench units were better last season.

Rondo
Ray
PP
KG
Perk

Nate
TA
BBD
Sheed

Those units make way more sense in terms of what we do and what we need to be successful.

  Nate was bad last year, Delonte should be better. Sheed was pretty bad in the playoffs. You spent all of last year decrying the fact that we didn't have a long backup wing who could shoot with range instead of TA, and we do now. And if Shaq comes back we'll probably have a better starting lineup this year as well.

I do not decry a back up SF/PF at the cost of a starting center.

honestly, Shaq needs to ALREADY be back for that trade to make sense because KG is getting way too burnt out for the point in the season.

when is Shaq gonna say enough with this and get his behind back on the floor. KG needs some freaking back up!

plus I think you are once again underrating how benches play. you did it with Pose and PJ and now you are doing it with Sheed and Nate....

  So if you're worried about KG needing rest, how would he have been looking if we hadn't made the trade? No Krstic, no Green, no Perk for most of the time. Things would be worse now, including our record.

  And how is the bench going to do this year compared to how Nate and Sheed did?

well we'd have our starting unit intact and a bench of Arroyo, DWest, Wafer, Pavlovic, BBD, Murphy and still the possibility of Shaq and JO.

  First of all that's based on the assumption that Perk will be perfectly healthy throughout the playoffs, which is hardly a guarantee. And how many minutes have Green and Krstic played since the trade? No Shaq, Perk, JO, Wafer and some games without Baby. Who plays all those minutes?

and your not assuming that we have Shaq and JO in the playoffs?

substituting Murphy for Krstic and Pavlovic/Dwest for Green...but also gaining Perk for the last 6 games...

plus what other moves do we make if we don't trade Perk? Do we have Powe too?

[winsomme]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

so wanting them to play less minutes is not related to getting rest for the playoffs? what is the significance of playing less minutes then?

plus, you said "big minutes" not less minutes than in the playoffs.

  Is there a point to this? You'd somehow be happier if they were all playing 3-5 more minutes a game for the rest of the season?

this whole exchange started when you said the playoff rotation would play in "er" the playoffs...

my point on this particular observation of yours is that that is too late because the Big 4 will be toast by then.

[BballTim]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

so wanting them to play less minutes is not related to getting rest for the playoffs? what is the significance of playing less minutes then?

plus, you said "big minutes" not less minutes than in the playoffs.

  Is there a point to this? You'd somehow be happier if they were all playing 3-5 more minutes a game for the rest of the season?

this whole exchange started when you said the playoff rotation would play in "er" the playoffs...

my point on this particular observation of yours is that that is too late because the Big 4 will be toast by then.

  So your solution is to have them play more minutes?

[winsomme]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

so wanting them to play less minutes is not related to getting rest for the playoffs? what is the significance of playing less minutes then?

plus, you said "big minutes" not less minutes than in the playoffs.

  Is there a point to this? You'd somehow be happier if they were all playing 3-5 more minutes a game for the rest of the season?

this whole exchange started when you said the playoff rotation would play in "er" the playoffs...

my point on this particular observation of yours is that that is too late because the Big 4 will be toast by then.

  So your solution is to have them play more minutes?

how about this BBall...when you said all we would be seeing in the playoffs is a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy, what did that rotation of players consist of?

[BballTim]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

so wanting them to play less minutes is not related to getting rest for the playoffs? what is the significance of playing less minutes then?

plus, you said "big minutes" not less minutes than in the playoffs.

  Is there a point to this? You'd somehow be happier if they were all playing 3-5 more minutes a game for the rest of the season?

this whole exchange started when you said the playoff rotation would play in "er" the playoffs...

my point on this particular observation of yours is that that is too late because the Big 4 will be toast by then.

  So your solution is to have them play more minutes?

how about this BBall...when you said all we would be seeing in the playoffs is a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy, what did that rotation of players consist of?

  What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[winsomme]

If you depend on a miracle every year, you will be disappointed. If you expect a huge midseason trade not to have an impact on the chemistry of your team and cause problems you will be disappointed. This looks and feels much different than last year.

  Last year wasn't a miracle. And when you say it feels different from last year I assume you mean better.

No. I mean a team with no dependable healthy center and a team shaken up big time with 27 games left in the season.

  Oh. I don't think it was a huge shakeup, we traded Perk and not much else. It looks worse now because they're trying to get all of the new guys used to the system, but it's likely that Green and a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy will be about all we'll be seeing from all the new guys in the playoffs.

yeah, but when is that gonna START happening because it needs to already be the case...

  I would expect the team to start using the playoff rotation in the, er, playoffs. Do we want the starters playing big minutes now?

yeah it's been really nice to see the Big 4 not having to work hard....

  Sigh. They're all playing fewer minutes than they do during the playoffs. Do you not understand that?

What does that have to do with our starters getting to rest up of the playoffs? You need to be watching a little closer IMO, Bball. The Big 4 are not getting rest in these games.

Did you watch the game tonight? Can you honestly tell me that the Big 4 are getting late season rest?

  When did I say they were getting late season rest? I said that they were playing less than they do in the playoffs. Yes, I saw the game. So what? Do you want to see them play more than they are now?

so wanting them to play less minutes is not related to getting rest for the playoffs? what is the significance of playing less minutes then?

plus, you said "big minutes" not less minutes than in the playoffs.

  Is there a point to this? You'd somehow be happier if they were all playing 3-5 more minutes a game for the rest of the season?

this whole exchange started when you said the playoff rotation would play in "er" the playoffs...

my point on this particular observation of yours is that that is too late because the Big 4 will be toast by then.

  So your solution is to have them play more minutes?

how about this BBall...when you said all we would be seeing in the playoffs is a few minutes a game from Krstic or Murphy, what did that rotation of players consist of?

  What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

it has to do with what needs to happen sooner rather than later...which I believe I could point out if you would tell me what your playoff rotation consists of in which Krstic or Murphy only play a few minutes...