So, everybody still in love with Rondo???

[BballTim]

Since I don't have time to watch several games of 15 other point guards. How about I give you one on our team.

Delonte

Delonte is an excellent defender, but I don't think he's better than Rondo. Especially given what I've seen when he has to play starter minutes in the past.
I will say even if you only watch the C's you should see opposing PGs plenty, especially if you focus on Rondo. Defensively relative to his peers Rondo is excellent. Though lately he's been slumping with his entire game, hopefully he turns it on in the playoffs.

When have you seen West play starter minutes with Allen,Pierce,Garnett?

Watching opposing pgs for a few games here and there is alot different than watching every Celtics game for the last five years.

The biggest myth in Celtics Nation right now is that Rondo is a good defender. As time goes forward and the big three retire this will be debunked.

  I think that "myth" exists much more outside of Celtics Nation than inside it. He finished first in multiple categories for best defender in the preseason nba GM polls 2 years in a row. 2nd team all-defense in 08-09, first team in 09-10, receiving more votes than any other guard. Finished 4th in DPOY voting, again garnering more votes than any other guard. Good look debunking that myth. Obviously you know more about the subject than, say, the coaches and general managers of the teams that play against him.

[EJPLAYA]

With respect to Rondo. He is a better team player than he was as a rookie yes. He learned how to play within the team and learned how to play with the other starters.

Individual skills development no he hasnt grown much at all. There is no excuse for not being able to make free throws.

  No improvement at all to his passing, defending or ballhandling? And how many jumpers did he make then compared to now? Is he no better at getting to the rim?

I think Rondo's play lately has been very subpar for his skillset, but think at his best he is a very good PG and at his best I want him running the show.

That being said, I think I can honestly say he hasn't gotten any better definitively in any area on the floor since he was a rookie. He doesn't shoot better. He plays lazy gambling defense just like he did as a Rookie. He was always a solid passer and so I don't think that is any better. I think we just give him more slack because we're used to it quite honestly. Then when he makes dumb mistakes with the ball like he has lately it is easy to see how he can go from being a solid PG to a poor player. His deficiencies offensively are big enough that if he isn't stellar at all the other spots he becomes average.

[D1xprospect]

Rondo is a top 5 point guard. It's not a mystery that we are struggling at the same time that Rondo is struggling.

[BballTim]

With respect to Rondo. He is a better team player than he was as a rookie yes. He learned how to play within the team and learned how to play with the other starters.

Individual skills development no he hasnt grown much at all. There is no excuse for not being able to make free throws.

  No improvement at all to his passing, defending or ballhandling? And how many jumpers did he make then compared to now? Is he no better at getting to the rim?

I think Rondo's play lately has been very subpar for his skillset, but think at his best he is a very good PG and at his best I want him running the show.

That being said, I think I can honestly say he hasn't gotten any better definitively in any area on the floor since he was a rookie. He doesn't shoot better. He plays lazy gambling defense just like he did as a Rookie. He was always a solid passer and so I don't think that is any better. I think we just give him more slack because we're used to it quite honestly. Then when he makes dumb mistakes with the ball like he has lately it is easy to see how he can go from being a solid PG to a poor player. His deficiencies offensively are big enough that if he isn't stellar at all the other spots he becomes average.

  His fg% is around 50% when it was 42% as a a rookie, his assist/turnover ratio is about 50% higher. He makes the all-defensive team now when he didn't then and he's an all-star now when he wasn't then. He's probably the only player in nba history to go from being a part time starter on a lottery team to making both the all-star team and all-defense team in consecutive years without improving in any aspect of his game. Talk about unique...

[FatjohnReturns]

Since I don't have time to watch several games of 15 other point guards. How about I give you one on our team.

Delonte

Delonte is an excellent defender, but I don't think he's better than Rondo. Especially given what I've seen when he has to play starter minutes in the past.
I will say even if you only watch the C's you should see opposing PGs plenty, especially if you focus on Rondo. Defensively relative to his peers Rondo is excellent. Though lately he's been slumping with his entire game, hopefully he turns it on in the playoffs.

When have you seen West play starter minutes with Allen,Pierce,Garnett?

Watching opposing pgs for a few games here and there is alot different than watching every Celtics game for the last five years.

The biggest myth in Celtics Nation right now is that Rondo is a good defender. As time goes forward and the big three retire this will be debunked.

  I think that "myth" exists much more outside of Celtics Nation than inside it. He finished first in multiple categories for best defender in the preseason nba GM polls 2 years in a row. 2nd team all-defense in 08-09, first team in 09-10, receiving more votes than any other guard. Finished 4th in DPOY voting, again garnering more votes than any other guard. Good look debunking that myth. Obviously you know more about the subject than, say, the coaches and general managers of the teams that play against him.

I guess playing with the best team defender in 20 years in Garnett has nothing to do with it either. I dont have to debunk anything. When he is not playing with the big three he will be exposed.

[Fafnir]

Since I don't have time to watch several games of 15 other point guards. How about I give you one on our team.

Delonte

Delonte is an excellent defender, but I don't think he's better than Rondo. Especially given what I've seen when he has to play starter minutes in the past.
I will say even if you only watch the C's you should see opposing PGs plenty, especially if you focus on Rondo. Defensively relative to his peers Rondo is excellent. Though lately he's been slumping with his entire game, hopefully he turns it on in the playoffs.

When have you seen West play starter minutes with Allen,Pierce,Garnett?

Watching opposing pgs for a few games here and there is alot different than watching every Celtics game for the last five years.

The biggest myth in Celtics Nation right now is that Rondo is a good defender. As time goes forward and the big three retire this will be debunked.

  I think that "myth" exists much more outside of Celtics Nation than inside it. He finished first in multiple categories for best defender in the preseason nba GM polls 2 years in a row. 2nd team all-defense in 08-09, first team in 09-10, receiving more votes than any other guard. Finished 4th in DPOY voting, again garnering more votes than any other guard. Good look debunking that myth. Obviously you know more about the subject than, say, the coaches and general managers of the teams that play against him.

I guess playing with the best team defender in 20 years in Garnett has nothing to do with it either. I dont have to debunk anything. When he is not playing with the big three he will be exposed.

That's the funny thing about defense, it takes the whole team to play it. KG's teams in Mnnesota weren't that great defensively, was KG being exposed during those years?

[nickagneta]

Rather astounded by the lack of respect that Rondo gets from his own fans.

Start Delonte?

Lazy?

Selfish?

We are talking about the same guy that as a second year player was one of the youngest starting PGs to ever win a championship, right?

The guy that was first team All-Defense last year?

The guy that was 2nd in Defensive Player of the Year voting last year?

The All-Star?

The guy that is leading the league in assists per game and is second in steals per game?

The guy that signed a team friendly 5 year deal that by all accounts saved the Celtics some $20+ million over the frame of the contract?

The guy that team mates and coaches say is the reason the team runs as efficiently as it does on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor?

People....take a deep breath. Its called a slump for a reason. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater simply because you can only see in the moment and are incapable of looking at the big picture!

[FatjohnReturns]

With respect to Rondo. He is a better team player than he was as a rookie yes. He learned how to play within the team and learned how to play with the other starters.

Individual skills development no he hasnt grown much at all. There is no excuse for not being able to make free throws.

  No improvement at all to his passing, defending or ballhandling? And how many jumpers did he make then compared to now? Is he no better at getting to the rim?

I think Rondo's play lately has been very subpar for his skillset, but think at his best he is a very good PG and at his best I want him running the show.

That being said, I think I can honestly say he hasn't gotten any better definitively in any area on the floor since he was a rookie. He doesn't shoot better. He plays lazy gambling defense just like he did as a Rookie. He was always a solid passer and so I don't think that is any better. I think we just give him more slack because we're used to it quite honestly. Then when he makes dumb mistakes with the ball like he has lately it is easy to see how he can go from being a solid PG to a poor player. His deficiencies offensively are big enough that if he isn't stellar at all the other spots he becomes average.

  His fg% is around 50% when it was 42% as a a rookie, his assist/turnover ratio is about 50% higher. He makes the all-defensive team now when he didn't then and he's an all-star now when he wasn't then. He's probably the only player in nba history to go from being a part time starter on a lottery team to making both the all-star team and all-defense team in consecutive years without improving in any aspect of his game. Talk about unique...

Yea funny how that coincided with playing with Pierce,Garnett,Allen.
Must have been Rondo improving

[FatjohnReturns]

With respect to Rondo. He is a better team player than he was as a rookie yes. He learned how to play within the team and learned how to play with the other starters.

Individual skills development no he hasnt grown much at all. There is no excuse for not being able to make free throws.

  No improvement at all to his passing, defending or ballhandling? And how many jumpers did he make then compared to now? Is he no better at getting to the rim?

I think Rondo's play lately has been very subpar for his skillset, but think at his best he is a very good PG and at his best I want him running the show.

That being said, I think I can honestly say he hasn't gotten any better definitively in any area on the floor since he was a rookie. He doesn't shoot better. He plays lazy gambling defense just like he did as a Rookie. He was always a solid passer and so I don't think that is any better. I think we just give him more slack because we're used to it quite honestly. Then when he makes dumb mistakes with the ball like he has lately it is easy to see how he can go from being a solid PG to a poor player. His deficiencies offensively are big enough that if he isn't stellar at all the other spots he becomes average.

  His fg% is around 50% when it was 42% as a a rookie, his assist/turnover ratio is about 50% higher. He makes the all-defensive team now when he didn't then and he's an all-star now when he wasn't then. He's probably the only player in nba history to go from being a part time starter on a lottery team to making both the all-star team and all-defense team in consecutive years without improving in any aspect of his game. Talk about unique...

Yea funny how that coincided with playing with Pierce,Garnett,Allen.
Must have been Rondo improving

Yea funny how that coincided with playing with Pierce,Garnett,Allen.
Must have been Rondo improving

[LB3533]

I still love Rondo, but there are times when he is not playing to the benefit of the team, and that is when it hurts us the most.

[Celtics18]

It doesn't seem like I speak for "everybody," but, yes, I'm still in love with Rondo.

[ejk3489]

Since I don't have time to watch several games of 15 other point guards. How about I give you one on our team.

Delonte

Delonte is an excellent defender, but I don't think he's better than Rondo. Especially given what I've seen when he has to play starter minutes in the past.
I will say even if you only watch the C's you should see opposing PGs plenty, especially if you focus on Rondo. Defensively relative to his peers Rondo is excellent. Though lately he's been slumping with his entire game, hopefully he turns it on in the playoffs.

When have you seen West play starter minutes with Allen,Pierce,Garnett?

Watching opposing pgs for a few games here and there is alot different than watching every Celtics game for the last five years.

The biggest myth in Celtics Nation right now is that Rondo is a good defender. As time goes forward and the big three retire this will be debunked.

It's not a "myth" when opposing coaches, GM's, and scouts say he's one of the best defensive PG's in the league. He didn't make the all-defensive team twice by accident.

Yea funny how that coincided with playing with Pierce,Garnett,Allen.
Must have been Rondo improving

Oh I must have forgetten when Rondo averaged 12 asssits a game in 07-08.

[BballTim]

Since I don't have time to watch several games of 15 other point guards. How about I give you one on our team.

Delonte

Delonte is an excellent defender, but I don't think he's better than Rondo. Especially given what I've seen when he has to play starter minutes in the past.
I will say even if you only watch the C's you should see opposing PGs plenty, especially if you focus on Rondo. Defensively relative to his peers Rondo is excellent. Though lately he's been slumping with his entire game, hopefully he turns it on in the playoffs.

When have you seen West play starter minutes with Allen,Pierce,Garnett?

Watching opposing pgs for a few games here and there is alot different than watching every Celtics game for the last five years.

The biggest myth in Celtics Nation right now is that Rondo is a good defender. As time goes forward and the big three retire this will be debunked.

  I think that "myth" exists much more outside of Celtics Nation than inside it. He finished first in multiple categories for best defender in the preseason nba GM polls 2 years in a row. 2nd team all-defense in 08-09, first team in 09-10, receiving more votes than any other guard. Finished 4th in DPOY voting, again garnering more votes than any other guard. Good look debunking that myth. Obviously you know more about the subject than, say, the coaches and general managers of the teams that play against him.

I guess playing with the best team defender in 20 years in Garnett has nothing to do with it either. I dont have to debunk anything. When he is not playing with the big three he will be exposed.

  That's like how he was exposed as a rookie, before we had the big three. He was playing with Al and and an injured Perk and Kandi man and Wally and Gomes and Scal and Gerald Green. The defense was over 8 points a game better when Rondo was playing than when he was on the bench. Oops!

  Just for fun, during that season, opponents shot an eFG of 46% against Rondo, getting 19 points, 7.5 assists and 4 turnovers per48 against him. They shot about 51% and got 21 points, 9 assists and 3 turnovers against your boy Delonte, who was also on the Celts at the time.

[BballTim]

With respect to Rondo. He is a better team player than he was as a rookie yes. He learned how to play within the team and learned how to play with the other starters.

Individual skills development no he hasnt grown much at all. There is no excuse for not being able to make free throws.

  No improvement at all to his passing, defending or ballhandling? And how many jumpers did he make then compared to now? Is he no better at getting to the rim?

I think Rondo's play lately has been very subpar for his skillset, but think at his best he is a very good PG and at his best I want him running the show.

That being said, I think I can honestly say he hasn't gotten any better definitively in any area on the floor since he was a rookie. He doesn't shoot better. He plays lazy gambling defense just like he did as a Rookie. He was always a solid passer and so I don't think that is any better. I think we just give him more slack because we're used to it quite honestly. Then when he makes dumb mistakes with the ball like he has lately it is easy to see how he can go from being a solid PG to a poor player. His deficiencies offensively are big enough that if he isn't stellar at all the other spots he becomes average.

  His fg% is around 50% when it was 42% as a a rookie, his assist/turnover ratio is about 50% higher. He makes the all-defensive team now when he didn't then and he's an all-star now when he wasn't then. He's probably the only player in nba history to go from being a part time starter on a lottery team to making both the all-star team and all-defense team in consecutive years without improving in any aspect of his game. Talk about unique...

Yea funny how that coincided with playing with Pierce,Garnett,Allen.
Must have been Rondo improving

Yea funny how that coincided with playing with Pierce,Garnett,Allen.
Must have been Rondo improving

  Yes, that's why Perkins also made all-star teams and all-defense teams, that's what happens when you get paired with stars. It happened to Joel Anthony and Carlos Arroyo in Miami, and it's happening right now to Jared Jeffries since he's back on the Knicks.

[2short]

Rather astounded by the lack of respect that Rondo gets from his own fans.

Start Delonte?

Lazy?

Selfish?

We are talking about the same guy that as a second year player was one of the youngest starting PGs to ever win a championship, right?

The guy that was first team All-Defense last year?

The guy that was 2nd in Defensive Player of the Year voting last year?

The All-Star?

The guy that is leading the league in assists per game and is second in steals per game?

The guy that signed a team friendly 5 year deal that by all accounts saved the Celtics some $20+ million over the frame of the contract?

The guy that team mates and coaches say is the reason the team runs as efficiently as it does on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor?

People....take a deep breath. Its called a slump for a reason. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater simply because you can only see in the moment and are incapable of looking at the big picture!

tp! a voice of reason!

If I understand it correctly people are now saying rondo is like ricky davis in trying to get triple doubles ie padding his stats.  It actually makes some things easier, no reason trying to reason with some people, you can just SKIP what they are writing about.  The Felger effect I call it.