Krstic, West, Baby, Green and ________

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if everyone's healthy, i think our best lineup/rotation should be

Shaq
KG
PP
Ray
Rondo

JO
Green
DWest

as for the other big, i'm having a hard time deciding between Krstic, Murphy or BBD. i realize that BBD's been part of the rotation for pretty much the whole season, but i think we'd be better off with JO if he's healthy. i think Troy Murphy is also startin to come around pretty well too. the other players (arroyo, pavlovic, wafer, and whichever big doesn't get major minutes) can get spot minutes, and a ton during garbage time.

BBD is probably our most consistent back-up, a very good defensive player, and a solid offensive threat. There is no way he's not in the top 8, unless he's injured. I'd say its him, Green, and DWest, in that order, off the bench. Everything else is about match-ups and foul trouble. I think we might go to a 9 man rotation in competitive series, max.

[Edgar]

ok my shot at explaining it

Shaq he will be our starting center specially during finals specially if its against lakers, he will play in pain even dying if necesarry in order to beat koba
KG no need to explain
PP no need to explain
RA no need to explain
RR, hes still the best we have at pg

2nd unit

Delonte West, come on did you saaw that block today
he will be there as 6th or 7tgh tops, and as 1st guard of the bench theres no even challenge there
Jeff Green Tooooo much talent, see delonte west, PS This team have future with those 2 and rondo
Kristic, Shaq will need a rest and hes the best and have the size for the job.

Now the real problem begins

We will have one or 2 spots for this guys

BBD, Murphy, arroyo, SASA, JO

Imagine if Doc plays only nine
I cant see Doc playing BBD sorry he needs a PG to run the game and give Ray a rest
no other player can play the 2 effectively anymnore other than DW i can even say DW is ready to deffend Kobe
yes i say that
Murphyhave the sixe to bench bbd too and when hot hes poison.
JO is the best out there and the secure 9th man if he can see the floor
BBD have the upside of the system and knowing it, but it doesnt matter too much because his blackholiness is making him good only if Cs are winning and shots are falling

Sooo
We have a great 1 to 8
9 to 10 is deep

good times



Von Wafer and Bradlety will have a ring woo hoo

[Tai]

ok my shot at explaining it

Shaq he will be our starting center specially during finals specially if its against lakers, he will play in pain even dying if necesarry in order to beat koba
KG no need to explain
PP no need to explain
RA no need to explain
RR, hes still the best we have at pg

2nd unit

Delonte West, come on did you saaw that block today
he will be there as 6th or 7tgh tops, and as 1st guard of the bench theres no even challenge there
Jeff Green Tooooo much talent, see delonte west, PS This team have future with those 2 and rondo
Kristic, Shaq will need a rest and hes the best and have the size for the job.

Now the real problem begins

We will have one or 2 spots for this guys

BBD, Murphy, arroyo, SASA, JO

Imagine if Doc plays only nine
I cant see Doc playing BBD sorry he needs a PG to run the game and give Ray a rest
no other player can play the 2 effectively anymnore other than DW i can even say DW is ready to deffend Kobe
yes i say that
Murphyhave the sixe to bench bbd too and when hot hes poison.
JO is the best out there and the secure 9th man if he can see the floor
BBD have the upside of the system and knowing it, but it doesnt matter too much because his blackholiness is making him good only if Cs are winning and shots are falling

Sooo
We have a great 1 to 8
9 to 10 is deep

good times



Von Wafer and Bradlety will have a ring woo hoo

 I don't know what you have against BBD, but seeing you say that he should be left off of the playoff rotation completely is laughable, and I want to know what part of your dinner BBD ate without asking, if not all of it. He plays great defense off the bench even when his shot's not falling, and lot of people are saying that even though Murphy is showing effort, he's still not getting it done adequately enough.

I can see some matchups possibly favoring Murphy and others favoring BBD, and maybe Doc can adjust accordingly. But if you really think BBD shouldn't be on the playoff rotation, then again, forgive me if I simply assume BBD ate your dinner when you weren't looking, somehow.

[Edgar]

ok my shot at explaining it

Shaq he will be our starting center specially during finals specially if its against lakers, he will play in pain even dying if necesarry in order to beat koba
KG no need to explain
PP no need to explain
RA no need to explain
RR, hes still the best we have at pg

2nd unit

Delonte West, come on did you saaw that block today
he will be there as 6th or 7tgh tops, and as 1st guard of the bench theres no even challenge there
Jeff Green Tooooo much talent, see delonte west, PS This team have future with those 2 and rondo
Kristic, Shaq will need a rest and hes the best and have the size for the job.

Now the real problem begins

We will have one or 2 spots for this guys

BBD, Murphy, arroyo, SASA, JO

Imagine if Doc plays only nine
I cant see Doc playing BBD sorry he needs a PG to run the game and give Ray a rest
no other player can play the 2 effectively anymnore other than DW i can even say DW is ready to deffend Kobe
yes i say that
Murphyhave the sixe to bench bbd too and when hot hes poison.
JO is the best out there and the secure 9th man if he can see the floor
BBD have the upside of the system and knowing it, but it doesnt matter too much because his blackholiness is making him good only if Cs are winning and shots are falling

Sooo
We have a great 1 to 8
9 to 10 is deep

good times



Von Wafer and Bradlety will have a ring woo hoo

 I don't know what you have against BBD, but seeing you say that he should be left off of the playoff rotation completely is laughable, and I want to know what part of your dinner BBD ate without asking, if not all of it. He plays great defense off the bench even when his shot's not falling, and lot of people are saying that even though Murphy is showing effort, he's still not getting it done adequately enough.

I can see some matchups possibly favoring Murphy and others favoring BBD, and maybe Doc can adjust accordingly. But if you really think BBD shouldn't be on the playoff rotation, then again, forgive me if I simply assume BBD ate your dinner when you weren't looking, somehow.

well Tai
By the way oou bodies develope last year
I ate BBD food
Beleive me other than his blackholiness i have nothing against him
and his blackholiness can play against him specially on playoff basis
I recongnice his value as much as the next buy
but right now hes not
1( the best fit
2 as necesary as before
3 position wise relevant

i like you like him
i like him as a c


peace

[Tai]

ok my shot at explaining it

Shaq he will be our starting center specially during finals specially if its against lakers, he will play in pain even dying if necesarry in order to beat koba
KG no need to explain
PP no need to explain
RA no need to explain
RR, hes still the best we have at pg

2nd unit

Delonte West, come on did you saaw that block today
he will be there as 6th or 7tgh tops, and as 1st guard of the bench theres no even challenge there
Jeff Green Tooooo much talent, see delonte west, PS This team have future with those 2 and rondo
Kristic, Shaq will need a rest and hes the best and have the size for the job.

Now the real problem begins

We will have one or 2 spots for this guys

BBD, Murphy, arroyo, SASA, JO

Imagine if Doc plays only nine
I cant see Doc playing BBD sorry he needs a PG to run the game and give Ray a rest
no other player can play the 2 effectively anymnore other than DW i can even say DW is ready to deffend Kobe
yes i say that
Murphyhave the sixe to bench bbd too and when hot hes poison.
JO is the best out there and the secure 9th man if he can see the floor
BBD have the upside of the system and knowing it, but it doesnt matter too much because his blackholiness is making him good only if Cs are winning and shots are falling

Sooo
We have a great 1 to 8
9 to 10 is deep

good times



Von Wafer and Bradlety will have a ring woo hoo

 I don't know what you have against BBD, but seeing you say that he should be left off of the playoff rotation completely is laughable, and I want to know what part of your dinner BBD ate without asking, if not all of it. He plays great defense off the bench even when his shot's not falling, and lot of people are saying that even though Murphy is showing effort, he's still not getting it done adequately enough.

I can see some matchups possibly favoring Murphy and others favoring BBD, and maybe Doc can adjust accordingly. But if you really think BBD shouldn't be on the playoff rotation, then again, forgive me if I simply assume BBD ate your dinner when you weren't looking, somehow.

well Tai
By the way oou bodies develope last year
I ate BBD food
Beleive me other than his blackholiness i have nothing against him
and his blackholiness can play against him specially on playoff basis
I recongnice his value as much as the next buy
but right now hes not
1( the best fit
2 as necesary as before
3 position wise relevant

i like you like him
i like him as a c


peace

I'm amazed that where people claim chemistry's one of the things working for the Celtics and that the trade may have compromised that, someone would claim BBD's not the best fit OR as necessary. Man, it's like BBD's the second most criticized player on the Celtics right behind Rondo, and clearly not by much. I mean, he's averaging 10 rebounds since his return from injury...something people wanted to get on Krstic for not doing. He's even closed games. I honestly can't think of an objective basis that reasonably has BBD closing some games now but not even being on the playoff rotation. I mean, no one's even sunk Rondo that low based off his poor play.....

[PosImpos]

. . . and nobody.  Those will be the 4 guys off the bench in the playoffs as long as we get Shaq back reasonably healthy.  At this point I don't think JO is going to come back in time to really round back into shape and get himself in the rotation.

We might see Sasha, JO, Murphy, or Von give us some spot minutes here or there depending on matchups.  But I think the guys listed in the thread title are going to be are reserves for the playoffs.

[Megatron]

. . . and nobody.  Those will be the 4 guys off the bench in the playoffs as long as we get Shaq back reasonably healthy.  At this point I don't think JO is going to come back in time to really round back into shape and get himself in the rotation.

We might see Sasha, JO, Murphy, or Von give us some spot minutes here or there depending on matchups.  But I think the guys listed in the thread title are going to be are reserves for the playoffs.

We dont need JO to get in shape.

All he has to do is defend, give five hard fouls and get some rebounds and block some shots for 10 minutes.

[chambers]

playoff time, IF Shaq is healthy...  we'll have 8man rotation of

Shaq
KG
Pierce
Allen
Rondo
Green
Kristic
Arroyo

if no shaq then Kristic gets start and Murphey is the big off bench.

haha you're kidding right?
Big baby?
Delonte?
I think von wafer will get minutes ahead of arroyo because he is a pure 2 guard.
So they'll stick delonte backing up rondo and wafer backing up- he's proven himself and earned a chance once he's back from injury.

[xmuscularghandix]

I think it's going to work out to be a 9 man rotation mostly because Krstic + Shaq= our starting center. After that you have your traditional 3 bench players that can all play 2 positions.

Rondo PG
Ray SG/SF
Pierce SF/SG
KG PF
Shaq C
Green SF/PF
Davis PF/C
KRS C
West PG/SG

that one hell of rotation that can move it's pieces to matchup with anything.

And if KG, Shaq, Krstic, Davis, or Green get into foul trouble? You just rotate whoever is left then throw Troy Murphy into the fire.

[Surferdad]

Doc basically said it last night in the post-game press conference.  Green, Baby and DWest are the main bench players. I interpet that to mean they are the ones who will see floor time in the playoffs.  Shaq will only play a few minutes at the start of games and start of the third quarter.  Otherwise Kristic is the center.  That's 9 players.

Murphy and/or JO will see a few minutes as needed depending on matchups but may ont be part of the regular rotation.  Same goes for Arroyo.

NOT GETTING PT:  Pavlovic, Wafer, Bradley.

[Celtics18]

Not that it makes much of a difference, but if JO is healthy, I see Von or Sasha possibly squeezing Murphy out of that 12th spot on the bench.

[Greenbean]

Doc basically said it last night in the post-game press conference.  Green, Baby and DWest are the main bench players. I interpet that to mean they are the ones who will see floor time in the playoffs.  Shaq will only play a few minutes at the start of games and start of the third quarter.  Otherwise Kristic is the center.  That's 9 players.

Murphy and/or JO will see a few minutes as needed depending on matchups but may ont be part of the regular rotation.  Same goes for Arroyo.

NOT GETTING PT:  Pavlovic, Wafer, Bradley.

Yes. Probably.

[Chris]

Not that it makes much of a difference, but if JO is healthy, I see Von or Sasha possibly squeezing Murphy out of that 12th spot on the bench.

I agree.  I think they might dress Murphy for certain games if they expect to have foul trouble or something like that up front, or for particular matchups, but more often than not, I expect Sasha to be the 12th man if everyone else is healthy.

Doc was actually asked this question this morning, and he said right now (it could change before the playoffs), he would imagine his second unit would be Davis, West, Green, Krstic (Shaq would start), with the 5th spot being either Arroyo or Sasha, depending on the matchups.  If the other team had a bigger lineup, he would go with Sasha, with West at the point, and if they were smaller, he would go with Arroyo.

[celticinorlando]

depends on match ups..go big with JO/Murphy...go smaller with arroyo

[LilRip]

What's with people trying to squeeze BBD out? 

ok, i'll explain my picks for top 9. so our first 5 is easy to explain. and JG and West are pretty much locks because west can spell Rondo/Ray while JG can spell Ray (by moving pierce to SG)/Pierce/KG.

however, it's the last 2 spots at a bigman that becomes iffy. and here's my quick analysis of each candidate:
1) Krstic who has played well as a starter. he's shown great touch inside and outside the paint and has taken smart shots, and he's been aggressive on the offensive boards.unfortunately, he can get bullied off by opponents, giving up offensive boards.

2) BBD who has played very well off the bench for nearly the whole season, and moves his feet well defensively to draw charges. good hustle and goes for offensive rebounds. unfortunately, he has shown very questionable shot selection, a 35% jumpshooter (someone else posted that statistic) and he gives up offensive rebounds as well.

3) JO who has been injured pretty much the entire year. but still, he's a good post defender, an elite shotblocker and he can get defensive rebounds. He's not as adept as BBD at drawing charges but he draws them as well. unfortunately, he's been injured. and his post offense isn't what it used to be. still, his jumpshot is probably on par with BBD, if not better.

4) Murphy who hasn't played the whole year. he's not a very good defender, both help or man. doesn't block shots, doesn't draw charges, but at least he's getting his jumper back, and i think it'd be ready for the playoffs. the big with easily the most range on our team. he gets defensive boards, but he won't get offensive boards.

so with all that said, and assuming everyone gets healthy, for me, i would want to see JO get primary big man minutes. he's the best defender and rebounder, and his offense is enough. as for the other big, BBD's been great for us the whole year, don't get me wrong, but i'm finding it hard to ignore Krstic's recent contributions. if JO can't go, then obviously BBD and Krstic should get the backup big minutes.