Who else thinks we made out like bandits in the Perkins trade? I know I do.

[bbd24]

Its too early to say. Krstic has been a nice surprise, but then again, is his man on man defense where it should be? To effectively replace Perk's contribution at that end? It's debatable. Krstic is sure refreshing with his soft hands and offensive agility that Perkins lacked.

I'm not concerned so much with Krstic as I am about Jeff Green. Green perplexes and moreso frustrates me. I don't understand his game and ultimate role on the team. He plays down on the post and does so with inconsistency and discomfort. On the perimeter, he is somewhat of a ball stopper. Efficiency aside, he's neither a great penetrator nor shooter nor defender which make him a mystery. That being said, I'm happier with Green than Nate Robinson.

The true test at the center position will occur when Shaq returns. If Krstic and Shaq can provide offensive energy on their respective units, the Celtics made out fine. Otherwise, the Celtics have to gain comfort and synergy with a unit that has no experience playing in the postseason - which may not be a good thing.

Krstic for me isn't taking Perkins spot.  Shaq has Perks spot when he returns.  Krstic is made for that backup unit logging 10-20 minutes at the Center spot.  He's also insurance in case Shaq doesn't return.  In that case, and that case only, is he taking Perkins spot as starter. I'm not concerned with J. O'neal at all.  I think Krstic deserves the backup role more than JO.  JO would provide needed depth though.

Green's still finding his role and game on this team.  He's a player though, and a good fallback in case of foul trouble/injury with Pierce/Allen.  Great offense for the bench as well.  I'm hoping Doc plays him at the 3 more though, instead of the 4.  With Shaq, Krstic, KG, BBD, JO, and Murphy, we have enough 4's and 5's.  Give Green the time at the 3, while sitting Pierce or Allen when he's in there.  That should ultimately be his role.  If someone goes small on the C's, thats the time and the only time Green should be used as a 4.  I don't mind Green on the post, especially if its against another teams 3 man.  They have to double him, which opens up Delonte, BBD or Krstic on the second unit.

I think we see just what Green gives us when this team gets healthy.  I want to see what him and West can do for that second unit.

[Roy H.]

Roy, now knowing what Perkins got in terms of contract, would you of gambled on those knees and payed him that kind of money ? for the role he plays on the Celtics ?

OK obviously is, but what about you if you were the Celtic gm ?

If I were the Celtics GM, I would have worried about the off-season in the off-season. 

In this day and age, though, I don't think that an ACL injury is the concern that it once was.  Tom Brady was an MVP after a major knee injury.  Okay, different sport.  What about Amare, who had the dreaded microfracture surgery, and who is now playing like an MVP?

In general, knee injuries aren't the huge concern that they once were.  The caveat to that is when a guy loses cartilage, like JO or Brandon Roy.  Once there's no cushion for your knee, it's going to be painful for the rest of their careers, and that can become a major concern.  However, for a guy coming off his first knee surgery, I wouldn't have any red flags.

The knee issue is just one of the factors. What about the money issue ?  Always a chance of getting nothing for a player if he walks on you. Considering what he landed, were you giving him that kind of money as the Celtics gm ?

I would have evaluated the situation at the end of the year.  I think Perk would have taken a bit less to stay in Boston; he seemed agreeable to the 4 years, $30 million that was thrown out there, and yes, I would have paid him that.

However, I wouldn't have worried about it.  I would have played him until the end of the playoffs, and then would have started worrying about his contract.  If worst came to worst, I would have traded him for a $9 million trade exception and some draft picks.  We could have then used that trade exception to bring in a good player or two.

[Megatron]

Its too early to say. Krstic has been a nice surprise, but then again, is his man on man defense where it should be? To effectively replace Perk's contribution at that end? It's debatable. Krstic is sure refreshing with his soft hands and offensive agility that Perkins lacked.

I'm not concerned so much with Krstic as I am about Jeff Green. Green perplexes and moreso frustrates me. I don't understand his game and ultimate role on the team. He plays down on the post and does so with inconsistency and discomfort. On the perimeter, he is somewhat of a ball stopper. Efficiency aside, he's neither a great penetrator nor shooter nor defender which make him a mystery. That being said, I'm happier with Green than Nate Robinson.

The true test at the center position will occur when Shaq returns. If Krstic and Shaq can provide offensive energy on their respective units, the Celtics made out fine. Otherwise, the Celtics have to gain comfort and synergy with a unit that has no experience playing in the postseason - which may not be a good thing.

Krstic for me isn't taking Perkins spot.  Shaq has Perks spot when he returns.  Krstic is made for that backup unit logging 10-20 minutes at the Center spot.  He's also insurance in case Shaq doesn't return.  In that case, and that case only, is he taking Perkins spot as starter. I'm not concerned with J. O'neal at all.  I think Krstic deserves the backup role more than JO.  JO would provide needed depth though.

Green's still finding his role and game on this team.  He's a player though, and a good fallback in case of foul trouble/injury with Pierce/Allen.  Great offense for the bench as well.  I'm hoping Doc plays him at the 3 more though, instead of the 4.  With Shaq, Krstic, KG, BBD, JO, and Murphy, we have enough 4's and 5's.  Give Green the time at the 3, while sitting Pierce or Allen when he's in there.  That should ultimately be his role.  If someone goes small on the C's, thats the time and the only time Green should be used as a 4.  I don't mind Green on the post, especially if its against another teams 3 man.  They have to double him, which opens up Delonte, BBD or Krstic on the second unit.

I think we see just what Green gives us when this team gets healthy.  I want to see what him and West can do for that second unit.

I think JO would only be used for defensive purposes.

For example if Phil decides to keep Bynum in when our second unit comes in, Doc would go with JO instead of Krstic in that scenario.

[SHAQATTACK]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry. 

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams. 

[Megatron]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry. 

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams. 

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

[Roy H.]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry.  

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams.  

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

If Danny made a trade because we needed bodies over an 8 to 10 game stretch, he's an absolute moron, though.  Also, the team has gone 6-4 since the trade, and would have had Perk back last night.  I think it's unlikely that the team would have gone 0-10 without Perk, so what are we looking at?  1 or 2 extra wins that have been added by Green and Krstic?  That's not all that impressive to me.  (Also, don't forget that we would have been able to bring in other players.  For instance, we wouldn't have Green, but we could have potentially had Battier or Anthony Parker, etc.)

I don't think that Danny would do the trade for such short-term results.  Rather, I think he thinks this trade makes us better in the long term.  Let's hope he is right.

[barefacedmonk]

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

Perkins made a good comeback last night. Troy Murphy, Parker, Pavlovic and Arroyo would have give us enough bodies until then.

4th place? Because Krstic and Green have turned us into an unbeatable unit now.

[Megatron]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry.  

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams.  

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

If Danny made a trade because we needed bodies over an 8 to 10 game stretch, he's an absolute moron, though.  Also, the team has gone 6-4 since the trade, and would have had Perk back last night.  I think it's unlikely that the team would have gone 0-10 without Perk, so what are we looking at?  1 or 2 extra wins that have been added by Green and Krstic?  That's not all that impressive to me.  (Also, don't forget that we would have been able to bring in other players.  For instance, we wouldn't have Green, but we could have potentially had Battier or Anthony Parker, etc.)

I don't think that Danny would do the trade for such short-term results.  Rather, I think he thinks this trade makes us better in the long term.  Let's hope he is right.

The reality is we have more then enough big bodies, they are just out with injury right now so the trade obviously looks bad right now.

The real problem is our offense, Green and Krstic rarely touch the ball. I just find that odd. We bring them in as offensive options but ignore Krstic unless hes wide open for a jumper, he gets his points from husling and offensive rebounding, hes a very active big man.

Green barely gets involved. We are completely misusing our new guys, Doc refuses to go to them regularly. Our Big 3 are clearly coasting, and Rondo is playing badly, we need to get the ball to Green and Krstic.

[Lucky17]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry.  

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams.  

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

If Danny made a trade because we needed bodies over an 8 to 10 game stretch, he's an absolute moron, though.  Also, the team has gone 6-4 since the trade, and would have had Perk back last night.  I think it's unlikely that the team would have gone 0-10 without Perk, so what are we looking at?  1 or 2 extra wins that have been added by Green and Krstic?  That's not all that impressive to me.  (Also, don't forget that we would have been able to bring in other players.  For instance, we wouldn't have Green, but we could have potentially had Battier or Anthony Parker, etc.)

I don't think that Danny would do the trade for such short-term results.  Rather, I think he thinks this trade makes us better in the long term.  Let's hope he is right.

The reality is we have more then enough big bodies, they are just out with injury right now so the trade obviously looks bad right now.

The real problem is our offense, Green and Krstic rarely touch the ball. I just find that odd. We bring them in as offensive options but ignore Krstic unless hes wide open for a jumper, he gets his points from husling and offensive rebounding, hes a very active big man.

Green barely gets involved. We are completely misusing our new guys, Doc refuses to go to them regularly. Our Big 3 are clearly coasting, and Rondo is playing badly, we need to get the ball to Green and Krstic.

Both are averaging close to 9 shot attempts a game since the trade. To say they barely touch the ball seems an exaggeration to me.

[Megatron]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry.  

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams.  

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

If Danny made a trade because we needed bodies over an 8 to 10 game stretch, he's an absolute moron, though.  Also, the team has gone 6-4 since the trade, and would have had Perk back last night.  I think it's unlikely that the team would have gone 0-10 without Perk, so what are we looking at?  1 or 2 extra wins that have been added by Green and Krstic?  That's not all that impressive to me.  (Also, don't forget that we would have been able to bring in other players.  For instance, we wouldn't have Green, but we could have potentially had Battier or Anthony Parker, etc.)

I don't think that Danny would do the trade for such short-term results.  Rather, I think he thinks this trade makes us better in the long term.  Let's hope he is right.

The reality is we have more then enough big bodies, they are just out with injury right now so the trade obviously looks bad right now.

The real problem is our offense, Green and Krstic rarely touch the ball. I just find that odd. We bring them in as offensive options but ignore Krstic unless hes wide open for a jumper, he gets his points from husling and offensive rebounding, hes a very active big man.

Green barely gets involved. We are completely misusing our new guys, Doc refuses to go to them regularly. Our Big 3 are clearly coasting, and Rondo is playing badly, we need to get the ball to Green and Krstic.

Both are averaging close to 9 shot attempts a game since the trade. To say they barely touch the ball seems an exaggeration to me.

Yea but its they way they are tocuhing the ball, plays arent being called for them. Krstic is getting a ton of shot attempts via offensive rebounds and put-backs.

Green goes through long stretches where he doesent touch the ball at all.

They need to average 15+ shot attempts right now, and plays need to be run for them since Rondo and the Big 3 arent stepping up to the plate, they look tired and disinterested in playing. Why not run more plays for the new guys? Dont you think a Green or Krstic shot attempt is better then a wide open Rondo jumper? I think they are.

A Rondo jump shot is the absolute last resort offensive possesion that the Celtics want, thats exactly what the other teams want us to do, force Rondo into being the one shooting, and thats why teams are winning, beacuse Rondo is costing us games with his flaws.

I counted on multiple trips last night where Krstic was in position calling for the ball, but instead of passing it to him, Rondo took a jump shot, bricked or airballed, and NJ came back to score on the next trip down.

Our offense needs some huge adjustments, we need to get the ball OUT OF Rondos hands, and into other players. Rondo with the ball is not a good thing right now.

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

[Interceptor]

Rondo is not that bad of a shooter.  Lately he's been off, admittedly, but I think that in general people are conflating his free throws (which are horrible) with his shooting.  I am fine with Rondo taking wide-open shots.

[Megatron]

Rondo is not that bad of a shooter.  Lately he's been off, admittedly, but I think that in general people are conflating his free throws (which are horrible) with his shooting.  I am fine with Rondo taking wide-open shots.

Other teams are fine with him taking open shots too, because they know when Rondo takes open shots, they are making the Celtics suffer.

Rondo has airballed and bricked jumpers badly all season, he is not a good shooter and never will be, Rondo shooting is the worst possession we could possibly have and I would rather have Pierce take a contested fadeaway.

[Fafnir]

I agree with Roys post. I like the guys Danny brought in , good guys and contribute and all. No problem bringing them in, Danny shouldn't have traded Perkins off to get them or add depth.   I would have played out the season and not mess with a winning combination. Trading Perkins off has upset the apple cart , probally worse than he though with team chemistry.  

We can score more points ,but can't stop the preimer centers or rather the playoff teams.  

The trade was a lose lose situation if you look at it that way.

If Danny didnt trade Perkins we would be down 3 bodies. No Perk, Green, or Krstic.

We would have had to play the starters basically the entire game and risk injury and burn them out.

We needed bodies.

If Danny didnt make that trade, I firmly believe our starters would have been injured and we would be 4th place in the east right now.

If Danny made a trade because we needed bodies over an 8 to 10 game stretch, he's an absolute moron, though.  Also, the team has gone 6-4 since the trade, and would have had Perk back last night.  I think it's unlikely that the team would have gone 0-10 without Perk, so what are we looking at?  1 or 2 extra wins that have been added by Green and Krstic?  That's not all that impressive to me.  (Also, don't forget that we would have been able to bring in other players.  For instance, we wouldn't have Green, but we could have potentially had Battier or Anthony Parker, etc.)

I don't think that Danny would do the trade for such short-term results.  Rather, I think he thinks this trade makes us better in the long term.  Let's hope he is right.

The reality is we have more then enough big bodies, they are just out with injury right now so the trade obviously looks bad right now.

The real problem is our offense, Green and Krstic rarely touch the ball. I just find that odd. We bring them in as offensive options but ignore Krstic unless hes wide open for a jumper, he gets his points from husling and offensive rebounding, hes a very active big man.

Green barely gets involved. We are completely misusing our new guys, Doc refuses to go to them regularly. Our Big 3 are clearly coasting, and Rondo is playing badly, we need to get the ball to Green and Krstic.

Both are averaging close to 9 shot attempts a game since the trade. To say they barely touch the ball seems an exaggeration to me.

Yea but its they way they are tocuhing the ball, plays arent being called for them. Krstic is getting a ton of shot attempts via offensive rebounds and put-backs.

Green goes through long stretches where he doesent touch the ball at all.

They need to average 15+ shot attempts right now, and plays need to be run for them since Rondo and the Big 3 arent stepping up to the plate, they look tired and disinterested in playing. Why not run more plays for the new guys? Dont you think a Green or Krstic shot attempt is better then a wide open Rondo jumper? I think they are.

A Rondo jump shot is the absolute last resort offensive possesion that the Celtics want, thats exactly what the other teams want us to do, force Rondo into being the one shooting, and thats why teams are winning, beacuse Rondo is costing us games with his flaws.

I counted on multiple trips last night where Krstic was in position calling for the ball, but instead of passing it to him, Rondo took a jump shot, bricked or airballed, and NJ came back to score on the next trip down.

Our offense needs some huge adjustments, we need to get the ball OUT OF Rondos hands, and into other players. Rondo with the ball is not a good thing right now.

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

Jeff Green's usage is 22 with the C's, that's pretty high for a bench player. Higher than Glen Davis.

Nenad Kristic has a usage rate of 19, that's not huge but considering he mostly plays witht he starters that's pretty high too.

Rondo isn't playing well right now, but he's still our best player with the the ball in his hands to create a good shot. You can't go away from what has worked for most of the season too much.

[BballTim]

Jerry Stackhouse: "Coach said that gameplan for the Celtics was to embarass Rondo into shooting, thats how we are going to win the game"

Turns our the scouting report is dead on, when Rondo shoots, other teams win.

We need a change.

  Just curious, when did Stackhouse say that?

[Fafnir]

Rondo is not that bad of a shooter.  Lately he's been off, admittedly, but I think that in general people are conflating his free throws (which are horrible) with his shooting.  I am fine with Rondo taking wide-open shots.

Other teams are fine with him taking open shots too, because they know when Rondo takes open shots, they are making the Celtics suffer.

Rondo has airballed and bricked jumpers badly all season, he is not a good shooter and never will be, Rondo shooting is the worst possession we could possibly have and I would rather have Pierce take a contested fadeaway.

He's had a bad month and a half but the bolded portion of the text is untrue.

Rondo was above league average for jump shots for the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the year.