Man Law: Bibby going to the Celtics will never be a good idea.

[wdleehi]

Here's the thing:  Wally has two years on his contract, Bibby would only have the one.  While it's true that Wally, one dimensionally, is better than Bibby one dimensionally - they clearly play different positions. 

We have a glut at Wally's position of extremely talented players.  This is especially so if we get a big man in the draft.  I think it's clear that Pierce is better than Wally to a greater degree than Rondo is better than Bibby.

Bibby bringing up the ball to the halfcourt, not turning it over, and getting it to Pierce is a reasonable way to use a PG - and it would only be for a year.  Let's face it, part of playing in the NBA is getting the call.  Bibby is a veteran, and might be able to better protect the ball because players would leave him a little more room.

Granted, there are a lot of things not to like about Bibby (no one has yet mentioned the stupid headband - though a lot of other things have been mentioned already).  But I think having a crap contract at the point is better for the C's at this stage in the game - arguably - than the crap contract at SF...

...Especially if the C's can also get rid of Telfair.  I would change my opinion on Danny Ainge if he could get that done.

Then you are asking Pierce to run the offense.  Not the best use of his talents. 

[bleedingreen]

[quote author=smokeablount link=topic=4542.msg78474#msg78474
Uh, you're kind of a noob yourself.  The only way for the Celtics to get Bibby anyway is to trade Wally and another backup, so if that doesn't happen, we won't be getting Bibby anyway and there's nothing to worry about.

EDIT:  Still waiting for the "better way to trade wally" plan you announced and then couldn;t come up with...
[/quote]

Well us not being able to get bibby so theres nothing to worry about is pretty much the reality I'm trying to illustrate here. If you want to make a big deal about how we apparently need to get rid of Wally, fine.  Just not for Bibby and a contract that is just as cumbersome. 

Here are my "better way to trade wally" plans even though the post was about just not trading for bibby and not where wally stands with the team.


Trade 1: Celtics Bobcats

Boston Gets:
- Brevin Knight (vet pg./exp contract)
- Othella Harrinton (exp contract)

Charlotte Gives:
- Wally Sczerbiak
- Leon Powe

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3023~831~307~440&teams=30~30~2~2

Trade 2: Celtics Rockets

Boston Gets:
- Vassilis Spanoulis (exp cont)
- Kirk Snyder (exp cont)
- Juwan Howard (vet)
- Bob Sura (exp cont)

Houston Gets:
- Wally Szczerbiak
- Sebastian Telfair
- Leon Powe or Ryan Gomes or Allan Ray

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=351~2445~2447~825~2757~831~2417&teams=2~2~2~2~10~10~10

Trade 3: Celtics Clippers

Boston Gets:
- Sam Cassell (vet, exp contract)
- Zeljko Rebraca (exp contract)

L.A. Gets:
- Wally Szcerbiak
- Ryan Gomes or Allan Ray or Delonte West or Bassy

Trade 4: Celtics Lakers

Boston Gets:
- Brian Cook (scoring off bench)
- Kwame Brown (exp contract)

L.A. Gets:
- Wally Szcerbiak

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=831~981~1998&teams=13~2~2

Trade 5: Celtics Magic

Boston Gets:
- Tony Battie (vet big)
- Trevor Ariza (exp contract)
- Carlos Arroyo (exp contract)
- James Augustine (exp contract)

Orlando Gets:
- Allan Ray or Telfair or Ryan Gomes
- Brian Scalabrine
- Wally Szcerbiak
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3047~1021~831~2426~1055~2985~45&teams=19~19~19~2~2~2~2

Trade 6: Celtics Raptors

Boston Gets:
- Kris Humphries
- Rasho Nesterovic
- Jose Colderon
(all exp. contracts)

Toronto Gets:
- Bassy
- Wally Szcerbiac

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=831~2417~2806~2433~598&teams=28~28~2~2~2

[jaketwice]

Those are all great ideas, bleedingreen.  I just think the "suck quotient" is pretty equivalent with Wally and Bibby, they make similar money, etc...  If any of the ideas you proposed could get done - I would probably do them (though admittedly I don't know too much about some of the players).

[skowbball1999]

[quote author=smokeablount link=topic=4542.msg78474#msg78474
Uh, you're kind of a noob yourself.  The only way for the Celtics to get Bibby anyway is to trade Wally and another backup, so if that doesn't happen, we won't be getting Bibby anyway and there's nothing to worry about.

EDIT:  Still waiting for the "better way to trade wally" plan you announced and then couldn;t come up with...

Well us not being able to get bibby so theres nothing to worry about is pretty much the reality I'm trying to illustrate here. If you want to make a big deal about how we apparently need to get rid of Wally, fine.  Just not for Bibby and a contract that is just as cumbersome. 

Here are my "better way to trade wally" plans even though the post was about just not trading for bibby and not where wally stands with the team.


Trade 1: Celtics Bobcats

Boston Gets:
- Brevin Knight (vet pg./exp contract)
- Othella Harrinton (exp contract)

Charlotte Gives:
- Wally Sczerbiak
- Leon Powe

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3023~831~307~440&teams=30~30~2~2

Trade 2: Celtics Rockets

Boston Gets:
- Vassilis Spanoulis (exp cont)
- Kirk Snyder (exp cont)
- Juwan Howard (vet)
- Bob Sura (exp cont)

Houston Gets:
- Wally Szczerbiak
- Sebastian Telfair
- Leon Powe or Ryan Gomes or Allan Ray

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=351~2445~2447~825~2757~831~2417&teams=2~2~2~2~10~10~10

Trade 3: Celtics Clippers

Boston Gets:
- Sam Cassell (vet, exp contract)
- Zeljko Rebraca (exp contract)

L.A. Gets:
- Wally Szcerbiak
- Ryan Gomes or Allan Ray or Delonte West or Bassy

Trade 4: Celtics Lakers

Boston Gets:
- Brian Cook (scoring off bench)
- Kwame Brown (exp contract)

L.A. Gets:
- Wally Szcerbiak

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=831~981~1998&teams=13~2~2

Trade 5: Celtics Magic

Boston Gets:
- Tony Battie (vet big)
- Trevor Ariza (exp contract)
- Carlos Arroyo (exp contract)
- James Augustine (exp contract)

Orlando Gets:
- Allan Ray or Telfair or Ryan Gomes
- Brian Scalabrine
- Wally Szcerbiak
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3047~1021~831~2426~1055~2985~45&teams=19~19~19~2~2~2~2

Trade 6: Celtics Raptors

Boston Gets:
- Kris Humphries
- Rasho Nesterovic
- Jose Colderon
(all exp. contracts)

Toronto Gets:
- Bassy
- Wally Szcerbiac

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=831~2417~2806~2433~598&teams=28~28~2~2~2

[/quote]

Trade 1
 I'd do that,but why would the Bobcats kill any cap flexibility?

Trade 2
I'd rather keep wally than do this trade.
Howard is cooked, Sura has been cooked for his whole life. Snyder would be the 5th sg/sf. I don't know anything about Vassilis Spanoulis, but after watching the Rockets. He can't be any good. how can he NOT get PT for that team?
Plus why would the Rockets want another SF?
Trade 3
Cassel is the man, but he just turned 83 and he is in no way a better option than Mike Bibby.

Trade 4,
Brian Cook is absolutely a waste of space. Kwame is ok. But he has had issues gtting himself motivated. Great, lets sign him.

Trade 5
Ariza isn't going anywhere. They are going to keep him for a long time. Wally is the same player as Hedo Turkaglu. Do they need another poor defending small forward?

Trade 6
I dont see Toronto trading Calderon. THey like him and whats not to like?

The fact is Bibby fits in well with the C's. They are a slow it down team(they may want to be fast,but they aren't). They have two players who play in the post. Now do I think that Sacramento would take Wally? haha No chance.
I don't see wally getting moved before next year. Next summer we will be having the same convo.

[bleedingreen]

[quote author=skowbball1999 link=topic=4542.msg78700#msg78700 The fact is Bibby fits in well with the C's. They are a slow it down team(they may want to be fast,but they aren't). They have two players who play in the post. Now do I think that Sacramento would take Wally? haha No chance.
I don't see wally getting moved before next year. Next summer we will be having the same convo.
[/quote]

You know I almost took you seriously until you said "Bibby fits in well with the C's."  That aint a fact, Jack. Next summer? I'm almost certain we'll be having this conversation. Or maybe it will be about some other post Allstar hack. Maybe Eddie Johnson or someone... I don't know. But for now... and until mike Bibby starts drinking Mikes Secret Stuff...

Bibby going to the Celtics will never be a good idea.

Man Law -5/19/07

[bleedingreen]

Just in case it wasn't clear a year ago...

Bibby going to the Celtics will never be a good idea.

Man Law -5/19/07

[fairweatherfan]

Wow, you really dug around to pull that one out, huh?  But I'm thrilled Bibby was kind enough to call me out by name today on the front page.   

[davemonsterband]

After last year's game with all those Lakers jerseys in the stands you have to say Bibby does have a bit of a point, yeah the die hards are everywhere but things like that cannot be disputed, that's fair weather to the utmost.

[bleedingreen]

After last year's game with all those Lakers jerseys in the stands you have to say Bibby does have a bit of a point, yeah the die hards are everywhere but things like that cannot be disputed, that's fair weather to the utmost.

This is pretty much proof of the true hardcore fans  in this forum, look at every name in this thread and just think, "did they really debate this?"

[SShoreFan]

TP for this one, I love when old posts resurface much the same way I love Julie Kramer's leftover lunch each day from 12-1 on FNX.

[crownsy]

After last year's game with all those Lakers jerseys in the stands you have to say Bibby does have a bit of a point, yeah the die hards are everywhere but things like that cannot be disputed, that's fair weather to the utmost.

that happens in every city, every time a team is as bad as we were last year. a 24 win team letting lakers fans fill empty seats is going to happen, i don't care who you are.

fairweather, to me, is things like the hawks suddenly acting like they have a fan base, when the people down thier could care less.

this is bibby having sour grapes because he couldn't get it done with the kings after years of building to get 2 legitimate years where he had a shot, and his team failing. Players in this league don't like what the celtics did. it impies that if they cared about more than  contracts and put thier ego's in the passenger seat, they could get things done in this league. but that takes hard work and differing to other guys.

mike bibby is bitter, thats all i took out of those comments. They weren't even made in a way that would fire up the hawks fans. Its not like he said "unlike our fans, who are great!" hes just mad that he plays in a passionless place and his best years are behind him.

And now that its out there and guys like perk are hearing it, his hawks are going to get destroyed.

[nickagneta]

Can't see how Bibby can say that he saw fairweather fans here in Boston last year. For a 24 win team to put over 17,000 people in the stands on average with an average of 92% capacity shows me that Boston fans are diehards. How else do you explain attendance figures that are in the middle of the pack for NBA teams when the Celtics were putting the 2nd worst team in the league on the floor every night and have basically sucked for over 15 years.

[Celtic]

Man, we all apparently underestimated Wally's value back then. He basically got us Ray, which lead to us getting KG, which lead to signing Posey, PJ, and Cassell, drafting Big Baby, and the development of Rondo, Perk, and Leon on a winning team. Glad we didn't trade him for Brevin Knight and Othella Harrington.

[TripleOT]

Man, we all apparently underestimated Wally's value back then. He basically got us Ray, which lead to us getting KG, which lead to signing Posey, PJ, and Cassell, drafting Big Baby, and the development of Rondo, Perk, and Leon on a winning team. Glad we didn't trade him for Brevin Knight and Othella Harrington.

Wally had negative trade value.  He was salary ballast, that's it. Seattle wanted the draft pick, and wanted to trade four years of Ray's salary for two year's of someone else's. Anyone else's. If Seattle could have grabbed two smaller expiring contracts instead of Wally's, they probably would have been thrilled. 

[RebusRankin]

In regards to his comments look at it this way, nobody has ever accused Bibby of being smart.