Krstic is being overrated

[droponov]

He is what he is folks.  He has never been a dominant rebounder and will never will be.  He brings different things to the table than Perk who was a better defender and rebounder.  But Perk was not a dominant rebounder either, he was servicable and that is it.

It is harder to rebound in the high post.  It's also hard to rebound when your system forces you to get back to be on D.  We really don't put a high priority on boards as a team.  Our priority is on transition defense.

It's about the defensive rebounding, not the offensive glass.

Perkins was the Celtics best rebounder in the last season and this one (and in 08/09 he was second to Powe). This season his TRB% of 19.2% was the 13th highest in the entire league. This isn't serviceable.

[Andy Jick]

See, the thing is, people were making topics about Rondo cause he supposedly stunk up the place last night. What has Krstic done since he's come here but play well? Essentially, you're trying to sell us that Perkins is still the better player, or something.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but please don't put words in my mouth.  This thread is about Krstic, rather than Perkins, although I do think it's fair to say that both OKC and Boston feel Perkins is the better player (unless you consider Jeff Green and a #1 to be a throw in).

Regardless, I'm not sure if I was somehow not clear in my first post, but I thought I answered the question you raised.  "What has Krstic done since he's come here but play well?"  Well, for one thing he's been an atrocious defensive rebounder, which I pointed out.  For another, his defense has been decidedly mediocre. 

I mean, your post is exactly the type of argument this thread was meant to address.  Essentially, you're asking me to only focus on the positive and to ignore the negative (i.e., to concede that he has only "played well", rather than the mixed bag of results that is reality.)  I'm sorry if my refusal to pretend that Krstic's deficiencies don't exist somehow offends your sensibilities, but the guy is one of the very worst defensive rebounding centers in the entire NBA.  I think it's fair to discuss that.

Guy #1: "Hey...did you see Krstic scored 17 points, went 7-8 from the floor, and he has a nice looking stroke from the outside as well.  He can really help space the floor for KG down low."

Critic: "Yeah...but he's a lousy defensive rebounder."

[barefacedmonk]

....considering the fact not a lot of people actually thought he'd be any use to the Celtics, even though he was just starting at OKC.

And Arroyo was the starting PG in Miami. That argument doesn't mean much.

[Andy Jick]

....considering the fact not a lot of people actually thought he'd be any use to the Celtics, even though he was just starting at OKC.

And Arroyo was the starting PG in Miami. That argument doesn't mean much.

Yeah, OKC and Miami are two of the worst basketball teams in the league...

[barefacedmonk]

....considering the fact not a lot of people actually thought he'd be any use to the Celtics, even though he was just starting at OKC.

And Arroyo was the starting PG in Miami. That argument doesn't mean much.

Yeah, OKC and Miami are two of the worst basketball teams in the league...

And yet people are offended if someone points out the flaws of a player who was the starting center on "one of the worst basketball teams in the league"?

[droponov]

Your analysis of Perk is a pretty favorable one. Basically perk is a good defender (not great) and has one of the highest FG percentages good for 5PPG. I also disagree that he is an above average rebounder.

You have no notion whatsoever of what is average rebounding. 13th league wide for players with more than 300 minutes played.  

Perkins is one of the best low post defenders in the league, an excellent shot-blocker and a very good defender in other aspects of the game. A top-6 defender at his position. If that's good or great, I don't know, but it surely helps to win games.

Offensively he's a highly efficient garbage man. Those players have value too because there aren't enough shots for everybody to score 20ppg or 15ppg or even 10ppg.

I think people here are underrating the value of players who offer good defense + good rebounding + highly efficient low usage scoring.  

[CoachBo]

Chuckle. Well, it is, to a certain extent, a swap of skillsets because Krstic is vastly superior to Perkins offensively, and vice versa defensively - but again we're making the mistake here of comparing Krstic to a healthy Perkins, who isn't likely to be healthy again this season. That point seems to be constantly overlooked by the critics of this trade: We didn't trade the healthy Perkins. Can't forget that.

Curly's defense is better than I had expected, something I'd call average or a little above on the perimeter. When we have to go down to the block to defend, I think it's understood that we're going to need more. And it should be understood, as well, that it's highly questionable at this point that Perkins would be able to provide his normal level of defense on those legs.

And then there's Green, who's got a bucketload of skills.

Bottom line: What a marvelous trade this was. Another pantsing of Sam Presti.

[barefacedmonk]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

[Rondo9dunx]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

we lost plenty of games with perk, he wasnt irreplacable. KG can not be replaced. Healthy Shaq > Perk. Yes I know Shaq is not healthy, but i'm just saying, perk wasnt this defensive god that every makes him out to be. We lost tons of games with perk, he didnt guarantee anything.

Find all the stats you want about Perk's defense and rebounding and i'll show you a stat about how we're still 10 x better off with KG than Perk.

KG meant more, and we still have him. No need to over-rate perkins any more than there is Krstic.


Besides, its so unceltic-like to sit here and say we cant win without 1 single guy. This "team" has always been about just that, the team. LA would probably have beaten us last year with perk anyways.

[rondohondo]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

so now Perk is a HOF defender, one of the best of all-time ?

[droponov]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

Yeah, good comparison.

Chuckle. Well, it is, to a certain extent, a swap of skillsets because Krstic is vastly superior to Perkins offensively, and vice versa defensively

This doesn't mean much because there's no symmetry. Perkins is one of the best at his position defensively and rebouding wise, Krstic isn't anywhere close to being a top offensive player at his position.

Krstic is now being grossly overrated because he's a guy whose biggest asset is scoring and yet he's not good enough to be more than a 4th option is a good team (post injury). That's why he'll never be more than 20ish minutes per game type of player and he surely won't get a Perkins type of contract.

That's also why he won't even be used in the playoffs if everybody is healthy. There will be like 6 or 7 shots per game available for him. If there are so little shots available, you use a guy who can bring defense and rebounding, not a scorer.

[droponov]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

so now Perk is a HOF defender, one of the best of all-time ?

I think you missed his point: Bargnani is also a lot better than Krstic.

[barefacedmonk]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

so now Perk is a HOF defender, one of the best of all-time ?

I see two nba players named in that post. KG and Bargnani...Where does Perk come in?....save your eye rolls for another post perhaps.

[rondohondo]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

so now Perk is a HOF defender, one of the best of all-time ?

I see two nba players named in that post. KG and Bargnani...Where does Perk come in?....save your eye rolls for another post perhaps.

you're obviously comparing KG and Bargani to trading Perks defense for Kristic's offense. Come on don't be silly  

[Roy H.]

I hope Danny trades KG for Bargnani soon...Bargnani is younger..and puts up more points on the board. Defense is so overrated.

so now Perk is a HOF defender, one of the best of all-time ?

I see two nba players named in that post. KG and Bargnani...Where does Perk come in?....save your eye rolls for another post perhaps.

you're obviously comparing KG and Bargani to trading Perks defense for Kristic's offense. Come on don't be silly  

See here.

Also, please quit it with the excessive emoticons.  It's mocking.