The Future at Center, Who is it?

[The DarkPassenger]

Bynum is no scrub. He is a top 10 center in the league right now. A top ten center will always command that kind of money...Orlando will be foolish to reject Bynum if Dwight decides that he is going to play in LA.

I didn't say he was a scrub.  I said he wasn't worth what he'd command.  He's in the no man's land of too good to be affordable but not good enough to build around. 

And Howard has no leverage to force a trade to LA.  They have no cap space.  Much different scenario than Anthony was in with Denver.  Orlando would be foolish to be strong-armed into an unfavorable trade when they have the leverage.

After the LeBron and Carmelo drama, you still think Dwight won't be able to choose LA if he decides to play for them? NBA is a league of superstars now...owners have no leverage. They risk losing more by not giving in to a superstar's wishes than they gain by going against it. Hopefully the new CBA will be able to rectify that.

Agreed, the NBA is heading a bad direction and also hope the new CBA  changes things and small market teams can be competitive in free agency and keep super stars they drafted... it'd be the best thing for the NBA.

[guava_wrench]

Bynum is no scrub. He is a top 10 center in the league right now. A top ten center will always command that kind of money...Orlando will be foolish to reject Bynum if Dwight decides that he is going to play in LA.

I didn't say he was a scrub.  I said he wasn't worth what he'd command.  He's in the no man's land of too good to be affordable but not good enough to build around. 

And Howard has no leverage to force a trade to LA.  They have no cap space.  Much different scenario than Anthony was in with Denver.  Orlando would be foolish to be strong-armed into an unfavorable trade when they have the leverage.

After the LeBron and Carmelo drama, you still think Dwight won't be able to choose LA if he decides to play for them? NBA is a league of superstars now...owners have no leverage. They risk losing more by not giving in to a superstar's wishes than they gain by going against it. Hopefully the new CBA will be able to rectify that.

The only leverage the owners should have is $$$.

There was nothing wrong with either the Lebron or Melo situation apart from the obsessive reporting. If there was a hard cap and no max contract, we would not see Wade and Lebron together because they would have to leave 10 million a year on the table. Due to max contracts based on years of service, players will choose situations based on things other than pay, which leads to the Miami situation.

On the other hand, middle tier players would see their contracts plummet without a maximum limit for contract given to the best players, and more middle tier talent might choose to play in foreign leagues and more foreign players might not bother to come over. Unintended consequences are hard to predict beyond the effect on top players seeking different teams.

[Eja117]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

Then why was he so devastated by the trade? The man cried for hours. Does that sound like a guy who had just gotten everything he really wanted? Or just some of the things he said he wanted?

Victor Martinez cried too when he was traded from the Indians...its a business and a natural shock when you've been with a team your whole career some people handle it different. He made it clear he was testing free agency unless someone met his asking price. His price was always going to be in the 4 years 30 million range which hes very entitled to go out and get. But say he signs back with Boston at 4/30 and gives them a 4 million a year discount, that's still a lot of money to tie up on a role player that could be used on a star center. I don't know what isn't clear about all this! If Perk was open about considering options than why couldn't the Celtics.

He wasn't the future we all made him out to be here, once the Three retire who would be the star? Rondo? With our elite core of Rondo Perk and BBD plus draft picks we'd be right back to where we were in the mid 90's. Howard is the much better option, I would even settle for Greg Oden whose ceiling is light years ahead of Perkins if he could just stay healthy.

According to all the capologists on this thread that money wasn't going to be used on D Howard. It was going to be KG and PP's money coming off the books.

Again. A long time ago I didn't say the trade was bad.  Just that I don't buy the reasoning. I think the trade is more about Jeff Green and Krstic and getting healthy bodies for now and the future. I don't think it's about Howard. And it's simply not true that signing Perk to a 6ish deal would make it impossible to bring in Howard. Maybe it wouldn't be a good use of money. But that's different

Do you honestly think we could get Perk at 6ish when an older, less reputable Brendan Haywood signed for 6/52, and the Thunder signed him for 4/35 before he even got healthy enough to suit up? 

I agree that this trade was done for healthy bodies this year and the future, but I don't think Green and Krstic were necessarily the future part of the trade.

Do you honestly think Danny is setting up a future of Rondo, Pierce, Green, Krstic and Big Baby Davis with a bunch of rookies filling in the gaps?  I highly doubt we traded for the Thunder's achilles heel (an undersized, overmatched starting frontcourt) just so we could lock them into our core long-term. We wanted healthy, offensive-oriented bench players in the short-term, an intriguing asset in Jeff Green, the pick and the same cap flexibility we'd have had if we let Perk walk.

Like I said. I'm in a wait and see mode.  I think we could have done worse than Jeff Green.

And actually I kinda think Haywood getting what he got would have contributed directly to Perk getting a lot less.  Some of these absurd deals put the breaks on things far more than accelerate them.

[billysan]

We may need a FA backup for depth next season now that Shaq is out indefinitely and JO still nowhere in sight. We have no one signed for next season. Krstic, Davis, Murphy are all FA after this year. I think we will need to resign all three at the rate the injuries are going.

Available 'affordable' FA centers next season are Dalembert, Etan Thomas, Francisco Elson, Kyrlo Fesenko and a few others. I think I give the midlevel to Dalembert if he would take it, but the rest I consider vet min level players.

Camby still on the books for 9 million in Portland, no way I trade enough for that salary even if he wanted to come here at 38 years old.

Not much left out there in the bargain bin.  

[Eja117]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

Then why was he so devastated by the trade? The man cried for hours. Does that sound like a guy who had just gotten everything he really wanted? Or just some of the things he said he wanted?

Victor Martinez cried too when he was traded from the Indians...its a business and a natural shock when you've been with a team your whole career some people handle it different. He made it clear he was testing free agency unless someone met his asking price. His price was always going to be in the 4 years 30 million range which hes very entitled to go out and get. But say he signs back with Boston at 4/30 and gives them a 4 million a year discount, that's still a lot of money to tie up on a role player that could be used on a star center. I don't know what isn't clear about all this! If Perk was open about considering options than why couldn't the Celtics.

He wasn't the future we all made him out to be here, once the Three retire who would be the star? Rondo? With our elite core of Rondo Perk and BBD plus draft picks we'd be right back to where we were in the mid 90's. Howard is the much better option, I would even settle for Greg Oden whose ceiling is light years ahead of Perkins if he could just stay healthy.

According to all the capologists on this thread that money wasn't going to be used on D Howard. It was going to be KG and PP's money coming off the books.

Again. A long time ago I didn't say the trade was bad.  Just that I don't buy the reasoning. I think the trade is more about Jeff Green and Krstic and getting healthy bodies for now and the future. I don't think it's about Howard. And it's simply not true that signing Perk to a 6ish deal would make it impossible to bring in Howard. Maybe it wouldn't be a good use of money. But that's different

My goodness are you exhausting. A lot of posters in here have said that Perkins and the Howard situation is totally different in terms of cap space. The Celtics decided to trade Perkins because they wanted to use that money more efficiently. It's not wise at all to give a role player more than the MLE. That's all. It doesn't take a "capologist" to figure out that the Celtics will have enough room to sign Howard after the 11/12 season. It takes two minutes of research.

Right, but they could have had both.

And this whole "Perkins was just an overrated role player stuff" is just revisionism.  I think you have an agenda

[outcry]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

Then why was he so devastated by the trade? The man cried for hours. Does that sound like a guy who had just gotten everything he really wanted? Or just some of the things he said he wanted?

Victor Martinez cried too when he was traded from the Indians...its a business and a natural shock when you've been with a team your whole career some people handle it different. He made it clear he was testing free agency unless someone met his asking price. His price was always going to be in the 4 years 30 million range which hes very entitled to go out and get. But say he signs back with Boston at 4/30 and gives them a 4 million a year discount, that's still a lot of money to tie up on a role player that could be used on a star center. I don't know what isn't clear about all this! If Perk was open about considering options than why couldn't the Celtics.

He wasn't the future we all made him out to be here, once the Three retire who would be the star? Rondo? With our elite core of Rondo Perk and BBD plus draft picks we'd be right back to where we were in the mid 90's. Howard is the much better option, I would even settle for Greg Oden whose ceiling is light years ahead of Perkins if he could just stay healthy.

According to all the capologists on this thread that money wasn't going to be used on D Howard. It was going to be KG and PP's money coming off the books.

Again. A long time ago I didn't say the trade was bad.  Just that I don't buy the reasoning. I think the trade is more about Jeff Green and Krstic and getting healthy bodies for now and the future. I don't think it's about Howard. And it's simply not true that signing Perk to a 6ish deal would make it impossible to bring in Howard. Maybe it wouldn't be a good use of money. But that's different

My goodness are you exhausting. A lot of posters in here have said that Perkins and the Howard situation is totally different in terms of cap space. The Celtics decided to trade Perkins because they wanted to use that money more efficiently. It's not wise at all to give a role player more than the MLE. That's all. It doesn't take a "capologist" to figure out that the Celtics will have enough room to sign Howard after the 11/12 season. It takes two minutes of research.

Right, but they could have had both.

And this whole "Perkins was just an overrated role player stuff" is just revisionism.  I think you have an agenda

I'm not the one who came into a thread not about Perkins and totally just derail it for my own cause. So, no, I do not have an agenda. There would be absolutely no reason to have both Howard and Perkins on the same team. Why would you want a backup center making more than the MLE? That's just hamstringing your chances of building around a young core of good players. I'd rather have a stopgap player who would cost around $5.8 mil/year until Howard becomes a FA.

[snively]

Bynum is no scrub. He is a top 10 center in the league right now. A top ten center will always command that kind of money...Orlando will be foolish to reject Bynum if Dwight decides that he is going to play in LA.

I didn't say he was a scrub.  I said he wasn't worth what he'd command.  He's in the no man's land of too good to be affordable but not good enough to build around. 

And Howard has no leverage to force a trade to LA.  They have no cap space.  Much different scenario than Anthony was in with Denver.  Orlando would be foolish to be strong-armed into an unfavorable trade when they have the leverage.

After the LeBron and Carmelo drama, you still think Dwight won't be able to choose LA if he decides to play for them? NBA is a league of superstars now...owners have no leverage. They risk losing more by not giving in to a superstar's wishes than they gain by going against it. Hopefully the new CBA will be able to rectify that.

Yes, as I explained, he'd have no leverage.  Carmelo could have signed in NY (the team he was demanding a trade to) in the offseason for big money if he didn't get traded to NY.

Assuming a similar CBA, Howard would only be able to sign for the MLE or less with the Lakers.  Orlando would be in the driver's seat.

[Eja117]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

Then why was he so devastated by the trade? The man cried for hours. Does that sound like a guy who had just gotten everything he really wanted? Or just some of the things he said he wanted?

Victor Martinez cried too when he was traded from the Indians...its a business and a natural shock when you've been with a team your whole career some people handle it different. He made it clear he was testing free agency unless someone met his asking price. His price was always going to be in the 4 years 30 million range which hes very entitled to go out and get. But say he signs back with Boston at 4/30 and gives them a 4 million a year discount, that's still a lot of money to tie up on a role player that could be used on a star center. I don't know what isn't clear about all this! If Perk was open about considering options than why couldn't the Celtics.

He wasn't the future we all made him out to be here, once the Three retire who would be the star? Rondo? With our elite core of Rondo Perk and BBD plus draft picks we'd be right back to where we were in the mid 90's. Howard is the much better option, I would even settle for Greg Oden whose ceiling is light years ahead of Perkins if he could just stay healthy.

According to all the capologists on this thread that money wasn't going to be used on D Howard. It was going to be KG and PP's money coming off the books.

Again. A long time ago I didn't say the trade was bad.  Just that I don't buy the reasoning. I think the trade is more about Jeff Green and Krstic and getting healthy bodies for now and the future. I don't think it's about Howard. And it's simply not true that signing Perk to a 6ish deal would make it impossible to bring in Howard. Maybe it wouldn't be a good use of money. But that's different

My goodness are you exhausting. A lot of posters in here have said that Perkins and the Howard situation is totally different in terms of cap space. The Celtics decided to trade Perkins because they wanted to use that money more efficiently. It's not wise at all to give a role player more than the MLE. That's all. It doesn't take a "capologist" to figure out that the Celtics will have enough room to sign Howard after the 11/12 season. It takes two minutes of research.

Right, but they could have had both.

And this whole "Perkins was just an overrated role player stuff" is just revisionism.  I think you have an agenda

I'm not the one who came into a thread not about Perkins and totally just derail it for my own cause. So, no, I do not have an agenda. There would be absolutely no reason to have both Howard and Perkins on the same team. Why would you want a backup center making more than the MLE? That's just hamstringing your chances of building around a young core of good players. I'd rather have a stopgap player who would cost around $5.8 mil/year until Howard becomes a FA.

If Perk was healthy (a big if) I think a team of D Howard and Perk playing together could be pretty good

[barefacedmonk]

Bynum is no scrub. He is a top 10 center in the league right now. A top ten center will always command that kind of money...Orlando will be foolish to reject Bynum if Dwight decides that he is going to play in LA.

I didn't say he was a scrub.  I said he wasn't worth what he'd command.  He's in the no man's land of too good to be affordable but not good enough to build around. 

And Howard has no leverage to force a trade to LA.  They have no cap space.  Much different scenario than Anthony was in with Denver.  Orlando would be foolish to be strong-armed into an unfavorable trade when they have the leverage.

After the LeBron and Carmelo drama, you still think Dwight won't be able to choose LA if he decides to play for them? NBA is a league of superstars now...owners have no leverage. They risk losing more by not giving in to a superstar's wishes than they gain by going against it. Hopefully the new CBA will be able to rectify that.

Yes, as I explained, he'd have no leverage.  Carmelo could have signed in NY (the team he was demanding a trade to) in the offseason for big money if he didn't get traded to NY.

Assuming a similar CBA, Howard would only be able to sign for the MLE or less with the Lakers.  Orlando would be in the driver's seat.

If LA and Dwight were inclined to make it work, Orlando will have no leverage. LA can clear cap space to acquire Dwight if Orlando declines a sign and trade...you may not believe it, but there will be plenty of GMs willing to take on Bynum.

[The DarkPassenger]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

Then why was he so devastated by the trade? The man cried for hours. Does that sound like a guy who had just gotten everything he really wanted? Or just some of the things he said he wanted?

Victor Martinez cried too when he was traded from the Indians...its a business and a natural shock when you've been with a team your whole career some people handle it different. He made it clear he was testing free agency unless someone met his asking price. His price was always going to be in the 4 years 30 million range which hes very entitled to go out and get. But say he signs back with Boston at 4/30 and gives them a 4 million a year discount, that's still a lot of money to tie up on a role player that could be used on a star center. I don't know what isn't clear about all this! If Perk was open about considering options than why couldn't the Celtics.

He wasn't the future we all made him out to be here, once the Three retire who would be the star? Rondo? With our elite core of Rondo Perk and BBD plus draft picks we'd be right back to where we were in the mid 90's. Howard is the much better option, I would even settle for Greg Oden whose ceiling is light years ahead of Perkins if he could just stay healthy.

According to all the capologists on this thread that money wasn't going to be used on D Howard. It was going to be KG and PP's money coming off the books.

Again. A long time ago I didn't say the trade was bad.  Just that I don't buy the reasoning. I think the trade is more about Jeff Green and Krstic and getting healthy bodies for now and the future. I don't think it's about Howard. And it's simply not true that signing Perk to a 6ish deal would make it impossible to bring in Howard. Maybe it wouldn't be a good use of money. But that's different

My goodness are you exhausting. A lot of posters in here have said that Perkins and the Howard situation is totally different in terms of cap space. The Celtics decided to trade Perkins because they wanted to use that money more efficiently. It's not wise at all to give a role player more than the MLE. That's all. It doesn't take a "capologist" to figure out that the Celtics will have enough room to sign Howard after the 11/12 season. It takes two minutes of research.

Right, but they could have had both.

And this whole "Perkins was just an overrated role player stuff" is just revisionism.  I think you have an agenda

I'm not the one who came into a thread not about Perkins and totally just derail it for my own cause. So, no, I do not have an agenda. There would be absolutely no reason to have both Howard and Perkins on the same team. Why would you want a backup center making more than the MLE? That's just hamstringing your chances of building around a young core of good players. I'd rather have a stopgap player who would cost around $5.8 mil/year until Howard becomes a FA.

If Perk was healthy (a big if) I think a team of D Howard and Perk playing together could be pretty good

Someone gonna wave a white flag here??  

[snively]

Bynum is no scrub. He is a top 10 center in the league right now. A top ten center will always command that kind of money...Orlando will be foolish to reject Bynum if Dwight decides that he is going to play in LA.

I didn't say he was a scrub.  I said he wasn't worth what he'd command.  He's in the no man's land of too good to be affordable but not good enough to build around. 

And Howard has no leverage to force a trade to LA.  They have no cap space.  Much different scenario than Anthony was in with Denver.  Orlando would be foolish to be strong-armed into an unfavorable trade when they have the leverage.

After the LeBron and Carmelo drama, you still think Dwight won't be able to choose LA if he decides to play for them? NBA is a league of superstars now...owners have no leverage. They risk losing more by not giving in to a superstar's wishes than they gain by going against it. Hopefully the new CBA will be able to rectify that.

Yes, as I explained, he'd have no leverage.  Carmelo could have signed in NY (the team he was demanding a trade to) in the offseason for big money if he didn't get traded to NY.

Assuming a similar CBA, Howard would only be able to sign for the MLE or less with the Lakers.  Orlando would be in the driver's seat.

If LA and Dwight were inclined to make it work, Orlando will have no leverage. LA can clear cap space to acquire Dwight if Orlando declines a sign and trade...you may not believe it, but there will be plenty of GMs willing to take on Bynum.

They are nowhere near close enough to being under the cap.  They'd have to dump Gasol, Bynum and Odom.  Not happening.

[barefacedmonk]

Bynum is no scrub. He is a top 10 center in the league right now. A top ten center will always command that kind of money...Orlando will be foolish to reject Bynum if Dwight decides that he is going to play in LA.

I didn't say he was a scrub.  I said he wasn't worth what he'd command.  He's in the no man's land of too good to be affordable but not good enough to build around. 

And Howard has no leverage to force a trade to LA.  They have no cap space.  Much different scenario than Anthony was in with Denver.  Orlando would be foolish to be strong-armed into an unfavorable trade when they have the leverage.

After the LeBron and Carmelo drama, you still think Dwight won't be able to choose LA if he decides to play for them? NBA is a league of superstars now...owners have no leverage. They risk losing more by not giving in to a superstar's wishes than they gain by going against it. Hopefully the new CBA will be able to rectify that.

Yes, as I explained, he'd have no leverage.  Carmelo could have signed in NY (the team he was demanding a trade to) in the offseason for big money if he didn't get traded to NY.

Assuming a similar CBA, Howard would only be able to sign for the MLE or less with the Lakers.  Orlando would be in the driver's seat.

If LA and Dwight were inclined to make it work, Orlando will have no leverage. LA can clear cap space to acquire Dwight if Orlando declines a sign and trade...you may not believe it, but there will be plenty of GMs willing to take on Bynum.

They are nowhere near close enough to being under the cap.  They'd have to dump Gasol, Bynum and Odom.  Not happening.

We'll wait and see, I guess. He isn't coming to Boston though...but dreaming never cost a cent.

[Eja117]

What do you mean we KNOW it was going to cost such and such? How can we KNOW such a thing?  They hadn't even entered negotiations yet. We don't know what the market would have borne out for Perk. We know what the Thunder would pay. I highly doubt he really really wanted to go to the thunder for an extra couple mill. Maybe once he was traded. But if he hadn't been?

Well he said he told his agent last year that OKC was one of his top choices. So if the Celtics didn't pay him what he wanted than yes, I could see Perk leaving to go to a team that is on the rise and will be a contender for years to come.

Then why was he so devastated by the trade? The man cried for hours. Does that sound like a guy who had just gotten everything he really wanted? Or just some of the things he said he wanted?

Victor Martinez cried too when he was traded from the Indians...its a business and a natural shock when you've been with a team your whole career some people handle it different. He made it clear he was testing free agency unless someone met his asking price. His price was always going to be in the 4 years 30 million range which hes very entitled to go out and get. But say he signs back with Boston at 4/30 and gives them a 4 million a year discount, that's still a lot of money to tie up on a role player that could be used on a star center. I don't know what isn't clear about all this! If Perk was open about considering options than why couldn't the Celtics.

He wasn't the future we all made him out to be here, once the Three retire who would be the star? Rondo? With our elite core of Rondo Perk and BBD plus draft picks we'd be right back to where we were in the mid 90's. Howard is the much better option, I would even settle for Greg Oden whose ceiling is light years ahead of Perkins if he could just stay healthy.

According to all the capologists on this thread that money wasn't going to be used on D Howard. It was going to be KG and PP's money coming off the books.

Again. A long time ago I didn't say the trade was bad.  Just that I don't buy the reasoning. I think the trade is more about Jeff Green and Krstic and getting healthy bodies for now and the future. I don't think it's about Howard. And it's simply not true that signing Perk to a 6ish deal would make it impossible to bring in Howard. Maybe it wouldn't be a good use of money. But that's different

My goodness are you exhausting. A lot of posters in here have said that Perkins and the Howard situation is totally different in terms of cap space. The Celtics decided to trade Perkins because they wanted to use that money more efficiently. It's not wise at all to give a role player more than the MLE. That's all. It doesn't take a "capologist" to figure out that the Celtics will have enough room to sign Howard after the 11/12 season. It takes two minutes of research.

Right, but they could have had both.

And this whole "Perkins was just an overrated role player stuff" is just revisionism.  I think you have an agenda

I'm not the one who came into a thread not about Perkins and totally just derail it for my own cause. So, no, I do not have an agenda. There would be absolutely no reason to have both Howard and Perkins on the same team. Why would you want a backup center making more than the MLE? That's just hamstringing your chances of building around a young core of good players. I'd rather have a stopgap player who would cost around $5.8 mil/year until Howard becomes a FA.

If Perk was healthy (a big if) I think a team of D Howard and Perk playing together could be pretty good

Someone gonna wave a white flag here??  

sure

[jdub1660]

Would love to see Eddy Curry as the next big man project. If in shape(could take all summer and 1st half of season, he could really resurge his career here.

In his prime(only 28) wasn't a great rebounder, but nice post guy and athletic for his size.
He could catch alleyoops from Rondo and be a nice piece for us moving forward.

Tyson Chandler could be great as well, but I think he'll command more money than what Ainge will offer considering his lack of offensive aside from catching oops

[Mike-Dub]

I voted for other FA/Trade target.  I just have a gut feeling that Danny did not make the move of trading away Perk without knowing that he's going to pull off a pretty big move for a C.

I'm expecting a shocking trade like the one at this deadline.