Celtics sign Arroyo

[Roy H.]

At least we know that he can score on Lebron and Wade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1iW-oqYnMs

[jamie9248922]

I live in Puerto Rico, but study in the Boston area...I have been watching him on PR for about a decade I'll give a quick scouting report on what I think...

He has really improved his shooting over the last 2-3 years, he can shoot the three and has solid mid range jumper, he consistently  knocks down the shot at the elbow that teams give to Rondo...
On the PR National Team he can be somewhat of a ballhog but he does not do this as much in the NBA as he respects the players more, he has also been much more unselfish since playing a year in Isareal in a more European type system...
He is a great passer, especially on the drive in kick, these passing skills were no shown in Miami because he was basically relegated to a spot up shooter with Lebron always on the ball...
He is an OK defender, effort is a big part of it, and as we know, he will no be allowed to give anything but 100% effort in Boston...
I like the signing alot, he has Nate potential in that he can give you 8-10 points at any given time (just watch the USA highlights), but he is a much better ball handler and can run an offense effectivley....This is a great signing for a 3rd string PG who wont play much

[zerophase]

It's definitely not a bad thing signing another PG. I think Arroyo is solid.

But with our roster now full again, JO and Shaq BETTER be healthy.

[Surferdad]

I live in Puerto Rico, but study in the Boston area...I have been watching him on PR for about a decade I'll give a quick scouting report on what I think...

He has really improved his shooting over the last 2-3 years, he can shoot the three and has solid mid range jumper, he consistently  knocks down the shot at the elbow that teams give to Rondo...
On the PR National Team he can be somewhat of a ballhog but he does not do this as much in the NBA as he respects the players more, he has also been much more unselfish since playing a year in Isareal in a more European type system...
He is a great passer, especially on the drive in kick, these passing skills were no shown in Miami because he was basically relegated to a spot up shooter with Lebron always on the ball...
He is an OK defender, effort is a big part of it, and as we know, he will no be allowed to give anything but 100% effort in Boston...
I like the signing alot, he has Nate potential in that he can give you 8-10 points at any given time (just watch the USA highlights), but he is a much better ball handler and can run an offense effectivley....This is a great signing for a 3rd string PG who wont play much

Thanks for the insight.  I've always liekd Arroyo as solid backup point guard. To have him as your 3rd stringer gives even more depth there.  I'm sure that elbow jumper will be there for him with the talent on this team. 

[FrDrake]

This move is Auerbachian.  If Arroyo plays anything but garbage minutes in the regular season and more than one game in the playoffs it will be a shocker.  

But now the Cs have an (admittedly slight) psychological advantage over los moHeatos.  

PP and KG should have some juicy details when they are are trash talking Lebron and Wade in the playoffs.

[droponov]

I'd rather see someone like Temple signed. Arroyo looked like his self-confidence is shattered in Miami. Bad defender too, I'd rather have a strong defender as the 3rd string, at least there's the chance he can be an equalizer. Hopefully he never has to dress.

[vinnie]

This is such a good move if only for the psychological aspect of it. Hats of to DA on this one.

[csfansince60s]

I'd rather see someone like Temple signed. Arroyo looked like his self-confidence is shattered in Miami. Bad defender too, I'd rather have a strong defender as the 3rd string, at least there's the chance he can be an equalizer. Hopefully he never has to dress.

Another player like Jeff Green whose role was undefined and ill-suited for his skill-set. Both were told to go stand in the corner like a good little boy and wait for the scraps.

You know that's not gonna happen here.

Plus, I think he gets big minutes over the next couple of weeks. They will be easing Dwest back and Dwest can also backup RA at the 2 with Arroyo getting more time at the 1. Perfect time to do this.

All these injuries could be a blessing in disguise getting Kristic, Murphy, Green and Pavlovic reps and time to get acclimated to our system in case they're needed.

Things are falling into place.

[droponov]

I'd rather see someone like Temple signed. Arroyo looked like his self-confidence is shattered in Miami. Bad defender too, I'd rather have a strong defender as the 3rd string, at least there's the chance he can be an equalizer. Hopefully he never has to dress.

Another player like Jeff Green whose role was undefined and ill-suited for his skill-set. Both were told to go stand in the corner like a good little boy and wait for the scraps.

You know that's not gonna happen here.

That's not true at all about Green - who had a high usage rate in OKC, above 20%, more shooting attempts per game than any Celtic player except Paul Pierce (and he was actually close to Paul Pierce) and plenty of isolation plays called for him (not a good thing).

I guess it's somewhat true about Arroyo (but nobody in his right mind would want Arroyo controlling the ball in that team... especially considering Arroyo's tendency to pound the ball aimlessly for most of the shot clock) but I've seen Arroyo repeatedly passing good shooting opportunities (just to pass the ball to a teammate who would be forced into a worse shot). Actually I think that was the main reason he was dropped out of the rotation, more than his defense.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Arroyo's problem has never been a skills one, but he's has matured quite a bit in the last 3 or so years. He was misused in Miami, and considering that I didn't hear much of him causing problems, I'd say that's a good sign.

[csfansince60s]

I'd rather see someone like Temple signed. Arroyo looked like his self-confidence is shattered in Miami. Bad defender too, I'd rather have a strong defender as the 3rd string, at least there's the chance he can be an equalizer. Hopefully he never has to dress.

Another player like Jeff Green whose role was undefined and ill-suited for his skill-set. Both were told to go stand in the corner like a good little boy and wait for the scraps.

You know that's not gonna happen here.

That's not true at all about Green - who had a high usage rate in OKC, above 20%, more shooting attempts per game than any Celtic player except Paul Pierce (and he was actually close to Paul Pierce) and plenty of isolation plays called for him (not a good thing).
 

Green was playing out of his natural position at OKC where they forced him into the 4 slot. He is a wing and his skill-set and physical attributes dictate that. He was at best a distant third option behind Westbrook and Durant isos and playing out of position. Not the ideal circumstances to maximize one's potential.

[droponov]

I'd rather see someone like Temple signed. Arroyo looked like his self-confidence is shattered in Miami. Bad defender too, I'd rather have a strong defender as the 3rd string, at least there's the chance he can be an equalizer. Hopefully he never has to dress.

Another player like Jeff Green whose role was undefined and ill-suited for his skill-set. Both were told to go stand in the corner like a good little boy and wait for the scraps.

You know that's not gonna happen here.

That's not true at all about Green - who had a high usage rate in OKC, above 20%, more shooting attempts per game than any Celtic player except Paul Pierce (and he was actually close to Paul Pierce) and plenty of isolation plays called for him (not a good thing).
 

Green was playing out of his natural position at OKC where they forced him into the 4 slot. He is a wing and his skill-set and physical attributes dictate that. He was at best a distant third option behind Westbrook and Durant isos and playing out of position. Not the ideal circumstances to maximize one's potential.

That has nothing to do with what you wrote before. I'm not sure why did you reply to my post with that. Green had plenty of participation in OKC's offensive game as a 3rd option.

Anyway, I know he was out of position. That's why he was an awful defender and rebounder. However, being out of position should have helped his offensive game.

[FatjohnReturns]

Best part of pickup -- no more speculating about pickups.

ha yea definetly tp. Welcome Carlos.  Nice addition strengthens the backcourt. The Celtics play more of a team game just like Puerto Rico. He will be able to contribute more in our schemes.

Nice job Wyc and Danny

[LooseCannon]

That's not true at all about Green - who had a high usage rate in OKC, above 20%, more shooting attempts per game than any Celtic player except Paul Pierce (and he was actually close to Paul Pierce) and plenty of isolation plays called for him (not a good thing).

Green typically had a 19-point-something usage % in OKC (using the numbers at basketball-reference.com...I believe Hollinger would have him lower and Basketball Prospectus would have him higher due to different formulas).  He's 19.9% for his career was 19.3% before being traded.  (Durant and Westbrook are both around 31%.)  He's up to 22.3% in the small sample of four games with Boston.  If Glen Davis can have a usage rate of 20% this season, I think Green can probably fit into the offense while having a similar usage rate.

[aporel#18]

I never liked Arroyo's game, NBA or PR National Team, he was a selfish player. But I liked the way he played in Maccabi, he became more of a solid shooter and playmaker. He's a good role player and can play to save time for Rondo and Delonte in the regular season. In the playoffs, he can be the 3rd string, and even play the House "microwave" role if needed. I guess he'll be the 9-10th player depending on injuries.

Welcome to the Celtics, Carlos.

On paper, we have a balanced 3-deep for each position team, but I'm afraid the need for interior defense hasn't been solved with the FA signings. It's clear that the need for a backup PG became bigger after DWest last injury, and Danny had to adress that. Well done, but O'Neal brothers health is critical, and Danny's moves are telling us he's positive both O'Neals will be healthy in the playoffs. I hope he's right, because I like Krstic, but Murphy can't play the 5 IMO, he will play better but he's 30 and not getting bigger and stronger.