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Does Green Extend the Window?
« on: March 05, 2011, 10:47:18 AM »

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Now first let me preface all of this by saying that I realize that Green's had exactly one good game since he's come here and I realize that it came against a poor defensive team in the Golden State Warriors.  I realize quite fully that this may not (and likely will not, at least for a while) be the norm.  

However, if we were to suppose that Green eventually becomes a valuable 6th man, able to drop 20 points on any given night, my question is as follows: does that extend our window with the Big Three?

Most of us have been acting like we're making a big push to pretty much clear everyone off the books except Rondo, Pierce, and perhaps Green, by 2012 and make a run at a top free agent like Dwight Howard.  However, couldn't it just as likely be that Danny's planning the exact opposite?  

First, let's face the fact that even if we were to manage to clear enough cap space under the new CBA (which is no guarantee depending on how much the cap drops), the chances of Howard coming here are low.  It's not just the weather.  While Rondo and Green could be a nice incentive for him, in order to have enough space for him, we'd have to renounce our rights to Allen and Garnett.  Furthermore, Pierce wouldn't be as much of a draw, as Howard would know that he'd only be playing with him for part of his contract.  

Second, right now Ray and KG are showing no signs of letting up.  Ray arguably is looking the best he's looked since coming here and KG looks the best he has since 2008.  Furthermore, guys like Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, and Michael Jordan all stayed productive into their late '30s, as Steve Nash and Grant Hill are now.  Given how good KG and Ray look now (not to mention the fact that next year might be a shortened season), can we really expect them to decline so dramatically that it wouldn't be worth trying to extend them a year or two?  

Third, this is where Green comes in, even if we do see declines in the games of all 3 members of the the Big 3, can't Green make up for that, as he arguably can be paired with any two members of the Big Three?  Couldn't we afford to play them 30-32 minutes per game, knowing that Green could play 35+ and make up for any lack of production?  

Finally, while everyone has their eyes on 2012, can't the big free agent year come any summer?  If we extend Ray and KG one year, couldn't we just as easily make a run at free agents in 2013?  Or in 2014, Pierce becomes a free agent, freeing up even more cap space.  

Thoughts?  I realize that it's very, very early to be talking about this stuff.  However, I think it's interesting to think about and could really influence the way Danny approaches this summer.  If he is open to waiting until 2013 or 2014, he might be much more open to extending BBD and it could even affect how they approach Green, who they may be willing to extend through 2013 or 2014.  
« Last Edit: March 05, 2011, 10:58:43 AM by Jon »

Re: Does Green Extend the Window?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 10:53:07 AM »

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I don't know if Green himself extends the window, however not tying up 9 million a season with Perkins does that. Worst case scenario the sign and trade Green in the off season for a trade exception and picks. Even still we're better off in the long run, especially since 2012 is the class of Dwight Howard.

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 10:56:29 AM »

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Nope, I think this is right on.  Most posts recently are writing off Ray and KG at the end of their contracts, but I wouldn't be surprised if they each signed on for another two year deal for reasonable money to keep the roll going, provided that Danny does what he just did: bring in a player(s) that can carry some of the load.  Green could be that guy.

So...there has been a bit of discussion as to whether Rondo/Green is enough of a foundation, but I think the real question is the one being posed here:  How good will Rondo/Green be with a supporting cast that includes Paul, Ray, and KG?

Re: Does Green Extend the Window?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 11:02:22 AM »

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That team would need a high quality center. Who is he going to be? Jermaine O'Neal?

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2011, 11:07:54 AM »

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That team would need a high quality center. Who is he going to be? Jermaine O'Neal?

Well, I wouldn't entirely rule out JO yet.  However, I agree that he's likely not to be the "high quality" center.  Two things though:

1) If Green is a big part of the future, he's going to have to play some with the Big Four.  That means KG is playing at the 5.  And to be honest, if he starts slowing down, the 5 spot may be a better fit for him anyway. 

2) If the MLE continues to exist in the new CBA, the C's should be able to entice someone relatively good to play at the 5 spot either next summer or the summer after.  The nice thing about Green is that if he realizes his potential, we wouldn't have to worry about using the MLE on anything but a big guy. 

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 11:13:20 AM »

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I am amazed by Ray Allen's level of play this season. I thought the wheels were coming off last year during those first 40-50 games but he has really turned it around. He has been magnificent since then. Late last season, the playoffs and this year all season long ... simply magnificent.

That said, I have no idea where his game will be two years from now.

Extremely likely that he will still be a good role player (like Reggie Miller was late in his career) but whether he is still an above average starter or not ... I just don't have a clue.

As for Kevin Garnett, I think he will age very well because of his body type (thin, long, good quickness/motor) and his skill-set (facilitator and jump shooter). I fully expect him to still be a quality quality basketball player two years from now. A probable All-Star quality player.

Re: Does Green Extend the Window?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2011, 11:15:58 AM »

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Danny hasn't been building some sort of mountainside cabin, with tight little windows that are usually shut up tight.  He's built us a freaking gazebo on a tropical island.  

No need to worry about closing windows.
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I have seen a few futures, some good and some bad, and I have to tell you that I am excited about this one,  ;). The window no longer matters. Danny has flung the door open, and invited the future in.  We will be fine.  Judging by his past performance, he will make good choices to fill in the gaps.

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Re: Does Green Extend the Window?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2011, 11:29:25 AM »

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I would not trade Rondo nor Green for Howard. I don't care who we played last nite. The kid has potential. Rondo himself is only 3/4 developed into what he eventually will be.

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2011, 11:33:05 AM »

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Since when have we had a high quality center?? Our last Perk was slightly above average. I'd take this Krystic dude anytime over Perk. Perk wasted lots of time on drama.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2011, 11:36:16 AM »

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I would not trade Rondo nor Green for Howard. I don't care who we played last nite. The kid has potential. Rondo himself is only 3/4 developed into what he eventually will be.

I do Green for Howard in a second.

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2011, 11:37:25 AM »

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That team would need a high quality center. Who is he going to be? Jermaine O'Neal?

Well, I wouldn't entirely rule out JO yet.  However, I agree that he's likely not to be the "high quality" center.  Two things though:

1) If Green is a big part of the future, he's going to have to play some with the Big Four.  That means KG is playing at the 5.  And to be honest, if he starts slowing down, the 5 spot may be a better fit for him anyway. 

2) If the MLE continues to exist in the new CBA, the C's should be able to entice someone relatively good to play at the 5 spot either next summer or the summer after.  The nice thing about Green is that if he realizes his potential, we wouldn't have to worry about using the MLE on anything but a big guy. 

Green will always be a mediocre player at the 4. That team doesn't have enough defense and rebounding to win a title and that's assuming no decline from the Garnett/Pierce/Allen in the next two years, which isn't likely at all.  

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2011, 11:53:46 AM »

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That team would need a high quality center. Who is he going to be? Jermaine O'Neal?

How many high quality centers did the Chicago Bulls have? All you need is a solid rotation of 2-3 centers who rebound, play defense and can score some garbage buckets.  We don't need a guy who's going to score 20 and grab 10 boards. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2011, 11:59:28 AM »

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That team would need a high quality center. Who is he going to be? Jermaine O'Neal?

How many high quality centers did the Chicago Bulls have? All you need is a solid rotation of 2-3 centers who rebound, play defense and can score some garbage buckets.  We don't need a guy who's going to score 20 and grab 10 boards.

I don't equate high-quality to scoring 20.

I don't think every team needs a high-quality center to contend; I said that particular team would need one.

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2011, 12:04:40 PM »

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The OP asks a good question that the jury remains out upon. Certainly, the move is an opportunity to build a bridge from the Big 3 to the future - one that could be enhanced if KG and Ray will play for short money past their current contracts, given the way both appear invigorated at the moment.
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