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Offline OsirusCeltics

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5. Perk is injury Prone

- Its understandable that Shaq and JO are injured this season. They are at the backside of their careers. But for a 26 year old who is supposed to be in his prime, that is very troubling and scary. First its his knee, then back, then dislocated shoulder. He is a walking health risk. There must be something that we don't know if Perkins' left knee was more serious than it is. It looked as if he would get worse and eventually suffer another injury. When was the last time he was ever 100% healthy? Yeah, I don't remember either

 

4. Perk has no offensive game to speak of

- Perk possesses almost no skill to score in the post. This puts the Celtics at a great disadvantage with teams playing 5 on 4 against them on offense. It forces the Celtics to be a jump shooting team, or if KG plays in the post, the opposing team would double off of Perk.

- There seems to be a common misconception that Defense is the only thing that wins championships. "It doesn't matter that Perk can hardly score, he gives us Defense and toughness. Makes people scared to go up against us". Wrong!! I never knew scowls and yelling was the key to win a ring. Look at the Bill Russell teams in the 60's. Defense was obviously the key, but their offense made them untouchable. Bill was thought of as a defensive genius, but was a key to the offense. He had great hands, can run the fastbreak like a small forward, great passing skills, and had a post game. It made the Celtics run like a well oiled machine

Its not a coincidence that the Big 4 all shot a higher percentage with Shaq on the floor. Who at this age is still a potent low post threat. With Shaq there, no team would dare to double KG in the post or double Ray on the perimeter. Their defense did not dip either. Shaq, Big Baby and even Erden were enough contain Dwight Howard. 33- 10 record without Perk ain't bad either

"Playing with Shaq is like paradise" - KG

 

3. Perk only has himself to blame for getting traded

- Celtics offered him a contract extension. They had no problem keeping him on board for years to come. But Perk shot it down. He thinks is he's more than what he's actually worth. Overvaluing himself. Perk of all people should know Danny a shrewed GM who is known for not having a bleeding heart. He puts emotion in the backburner for what is right for the team. Danny would never put the Celtics in contractual and financial hell because Perk was "like family". He knew Perk's asking price would be maybe 50 million for 5 years, which is too much to me. Perk asked for all of this, then to get emotional that he's leaving makes no sense to me

2. Lets get real

- Ever since he got traded, so much fans were saying "Oh my gosh, he's the heart and soul of the Celtics. You can kiss Banner 18 goodbye". Oh please, get real! I see it as completely disrespectful to have legends such as Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett and put so much emotion in a role player. The Big 3 were the reason Banner 17 was raised, not Perk! It is them who have an offensive game that complements each other and the ego each one of them silenced to win that ring. Not to mention Rondo, who is a rising star and the orchestrator for this team. Celtics to me have a better chance to win the ring this year with Pierce and KG now able to play less minutes because of Jeff Green.

-The image of Paul Pierce putting his hands on his knees of exhaustion in game 4 of last years ECF against the Magic put fear in my heart. Seeing as he had to play another round in the finals did not look good. Its not a coincidence Posey was on the 2008 team which helped Pierce play against the dominant wing players of the NBA. All the Celtics needed from Perk was defense and rebounding, and they would get that from another serviceable big man.

1. We won the Championship in spite of Perkins!!

- This something that really annoys me when people act as if Perkins was this holy mythic player who brought the Celtics to another level. In the last 4 minutes of the games Celtics play, was Perk ever on the floor? No! It was PJ Brown and KG, or it was KG and Posey at the 5 and the 4 positions. Do you know how easy it would be to defend the Celtics with a center who has to put the ball near his shoelaces before attempting a shot? I watched all of those 2008 finals games. Perk was hardly on the floor in the final minutes. This season also shows that Doc's best lineup is with Big Baby playing the 5, with KG playing the 4. To me the Celtics are more effective that way

You know that 24 point comeback the Celtics had against the Lakers in Game 4 2008 finals? Perk didn't play the entire second half because his shoulder was injured. The Celtics became so versatile with KG playing the 5 and Posey at the 4. Impossible to defend. Game 6 was the same way. He played in only 13 minutes in that game, a non factor in the 39 point blowout of the Lakers.

This the reason Lakers have won the recent championships. Odom coming off the bench playing multiple positions makes the Lakers hard to guard with alot of matchup problems

And I know people hate to bring Rasheed Wallace up, but he was a key to the 2010 finals run. It was Sheed, not Perk, who guarded Gasol the best. Put Gasol in a phone booth with his length and quickness. He may be crazy, but he was unstoppable on the post when he wanted to go down there, something I can't say for Perk

 

Perk, I will miss you. I loved your grittiness and never back down attitude. But why overvalue yourself? It cost you a chance at another title

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1)  Every C on this team has injury issues this season.  There is a chance any of them could be out in the playoffs.  That's why they need volume of quality.  To make sure there is at least one C for the playoffs.


2)  He didn't have an offensive game the other three years of playoff runs.  Didn't prevent the Celtics from winning one title and going to game 7 in another. 


3)  Even the Celtic's didn't expect Perk to take that contract.  Because of salary cap rules, they could not offer close to market value for a starting C.  Only a fool would have taken the Celtics offer at that point.


4)  People have emotional attachment.


5)  Perk was an important clog of this team.  Was he the most important?  No.  But the games he missed, the Celtics didn't win.  The other teams were allowed to be more dominate inside (offensively or on the boards) 

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3. Perk only has himself to blame for getting traded

- Celtics offered him a contract extension. They had no problem keeping him on board for years to come. But Perk shot it down. He thinks is he's more than what he's actually worth. Overvaluing himself. Perk of all people should know Danny a shrewed GM who is known for not having a bleeding heart. He puts emotion in the backburner for what is right for the team. Danny would never put the Celtics in contractual and financial hell because Perk was "like family". He knew Perk's asking price would be maybe 50 million for 5 years, which is too much to me. Perk asked for all of this, then to get emotional that he's leaving makes no sense to me


  Just to be clear, Ainge's offer wasn't really based on the maximum that he would pay Perk, it was based on the maximum offer that Danny could make based on the CBA.

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No disrespect intended, but if there are five good reasons the trade was made, those weren't it.

5.  Until this season, Perk was actually remarkably durable.  Since he started getting regular playing time in 2007, this is the first time he's missed more than 10 games.  Over the three prior seasons, Perk had missed 14 games, the same number as Ray and Pierce, and obviously a lot fewer than KG.  Perk is banged up this year, but he definitely isn't "injury prone".

4.  A healthy Perk scores more points than the "offensive center" we just brought in, and scores them more efficiently.  Shaq only provides three more points per 36 minutes than Perk did last year, so it's not like the offensive gap is a huge one.  Link

3.  This has been repeated ad nauseum.  The extension was limited by the CBA, and wasn't indicative of Perk's market value.

2.  There are 25 games left to incorporate up to five new players, plus rework J.O., Shaq, and Delonte into the rotation.  The players have cited chemistry as a concern.  Fans who aren't in love with the trade have legit concerns.

1.  Perk's 2008 playoff stats:  6.6 points, 6.1 rebounds, 58.5% FG%

P.J.'s 2008 playoff stats: 2.9 points, 2.4 rebounds, 46.4% shooting

In those playoffs, our offense was better with Perk on the floor compared to P.J. (+4 points per 100 possessions) and the defense was better, too (-3 points per 100 possessions).  There's just no argument that P.J. was a better player for us.


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5. Perk is injury Prone

Agreed, at least this year.  The quickest way to know this trade was in our favor was if Perk is injured or ineffective the rest of the year.  I hope it doesn't work out that way for him or the Thunder, but so far the news isn't good.

 
4. Perk has no offensive game to speak of

Also mostly true, though he did show flashes of good footwork last year.  He finishes much better than a few years ago, but can't really create his own offense.

 
3. Perk only has himself to blame for getting traded

Completely disagree.  Perk worked his tail off getting back here and has been a model citizen and teammate for his tenure as a Celtic. 

As far as overvaluing himself, it's possible - but it wasn't at all overvaluing to know that he could get more than the extension we offered (which was the most we could offer).  Even if he had every intention of resigning here, he would get more money from us by rejecting the extension and waiting til the offseason.

2. Lets get real
Losing Perk sucks from a team morale and toughness perspective, but I agree generally.  Game 7 last year we had KG at about 75%, Big Baby, and Sheed as our bigs.  This year we'll have a near 100% KG, an improved Baby, Krstic, Shaq, and hopefully JO and Murphy as well.  Regardless of what Perk brought to the table our big man depth will hopefully be stronger in a similar scenario.

1. We won the Championship in spite of Perkins!!

I wouldn't say in spite of Perk; he contributed much more than you're giving him credit for.  But you're right that he wasn't a factor in really any key playoff moments that season.  We definitely can win it without him regardless.

Anyway, good analysis overall.  TP for the effort, and for the optimism.

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Saying the Celtics won the title in spite of Perk is a ridiculous statement.

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Thanks for not writing "Perk is garbage".
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I think the Celtics got better with the trade, but these reasons are horrible.

In economic language, the marginal utility of Perkins+Nate was smaller than the marginal of Green+Krstic due to the composition of rest of the Celtics roster. There are guys who can replace Perkins contributions almost fully why there was absolutely no one able to provide what Green brings to the table.

And for the better or the worse, Ainge is to blame. It was his decision.

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5. Not really.

4. He was good enough.

3. He's worth twice that.

2. Posey has nothing to do with Perk and Perk has nothing to do with backing up Paul.

1. No we won the title WITH Perk, Posey was the better FT shooter so what?
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Saying the Celtics won the title in spite of Perk is a ridiculous statement.
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I should add that Perk would have been a laughingstock if he took what the Celtics offered him. Danny and company knew he would not accept that offer.

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By trading him to the Thunder, you decrease the likelihood that he'll end up as  center on the Miami Heat.

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Someone was arguing with me earlier that Perk is injury prone and likely wouldn't be healthy in the finals.  Where the heck did this idea come from?

People also seem to be forgetting that Perk shoots one of the highest percentages in the league.
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I posted it in another thread, but the reasons for the trade from dannys point of view basically are that...

1. The starting lineup has played well with Shaq. he gave them another offensive option and helped open up KG.

2. Orlando is no longer a large factor in the east, and the elite teams of the east have become those with elite perimeter players(Miami, NY, Chicago) of which Pierce would have to take the brunt of his energy defending without a legit backup 3.

3. Perk came back, played 12games and is now out another 2-3weeks with another injury. add to the fact that they have been winning without him and that hes probably leaving this summer anyway, danny played the odds and pulled the trigger.

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Someone was arguing with me earlier that Perk is injury prone and likely wouldn't be healthy in the finals.  Where the heck did this idea come from?

People also seem to be forgetting that Perk shoots one of the highest percentages in the league.

Benefit of having 3 hall of famers get all the attention with a pass first point guard in Rondo...