Top 5 reasons you can't blame: Danny Ainge for trading Perkins to the Thunder

[RJ87]

I should add that Perk would have been a laughingstock if he took what the Celtics offered him. Danny and company knew he would not accept that offer.

Exactly. He gave us a home discount once but if he took that extension, he would've done himself and his family a huge disservice.

[OsirusCeltics]

Great post on all fronts. You should submit it to ESPN.

Exactly. I get so tired of seeing that caption at the bottom of the screen that says "Celtics 15-12 since Perk trade", or something to that effect.

Even they appear to be jaded with Perk. They sometimes contribute to the confusion rather than just disect the trade in detail - like it's done here on the blog.

It sometimes seem like more of a smear campaign against Danny and Doc than anything else just my opinion.

Great points
Just today on ESPN first take, they had a segment called "Who's to blame for the Knicks' lost?"

Seriously? Lol

They did?

Well, I have two words for that answer - and his name is Ray Allen!!!!

Yup. Jesus Shuttlesworth saved the Celtics again

[dlpin]

That was Danny's calculation, no doubt (along with questions about setting the team up better in the future).  I'd rather have Perk + Anthony Parker than Krstic + Green, but I guess reasonable minds can disagree.

I do think it's funny that there's been another surge in anti-Perk talk this morning (not directed at you, clover), on a night where Green and Krstic were largely invisible.

Perk was also largely invisible last night (and would have been completely invisible if not for a bad offensive goaltending call the refs missed).

[Brendan]

@Roy - I was actually looking for a thread on DA's drafting and saw this and read it. The uptick is probably due to: confidence a playoff win brings amongst the fans, JO's good play, and the lack of significant play from any of the traded players.

[barefacedmonk]

Queen Perk.

You don't have to like the trade but you can make your point without the silly name calling...that is unless you're trying to bait the people who don't like the trade. Either way, it'll not end up well...only takes away from your argument.

[OsirusCeltics]

Perk wouldn't have helped in this playoffs

In a half-court system he is an offensive liability
And he is too slow to recover in the pick and roll
It would have been the same result against Miami
"Meanness" doesn't translate on the floor

[Roy H.]

Perk wouldn't have helped in this playoffs

In a half-court system he is an offensive liability
And he is too slow to recover in the pick and roll
It would have been the same result against Miami
"Meanness" doesn't translate on the floor

Did we really need to bump an old Perk thread? 

[OsirusCeltics]

Perk wouldn't have helped in this playoffs

In a half-court system he is an offensive liability
And he is too slow to recover in the pick and roll
It would have been the same result against Miami
"Meanness" doesn't translate on the floor

Did we really need to bump an old Perk thread? 

Perk's name came up in the topics, about Doc saying we should've had Perk. I just don't think the Perk factor mattered

[Roy H.]

Perk wouldn't have helped in this playoffs

In a half-court system he is an offensive liability
And he is too slow to recover in the pick and roll
It would have been the same result against Miami
"Meanness" doesn't translate on the floor

Did we really need to bump an old Perk thread? 

Perk's name came up in the topics, about Doc saying we should've had Perk. I just don't think the Perk factor mattered

Yeah, I just figured you'd want to post in one of the other multiple Perk threads that are active.  Oh, well, carry on.

[OsirusCeltics]

Perk wouldn't have helped in this playoffs

In a half-court system he is an offensive liability
And he is too slow to recover in the pick and roll
It would have been the same result against Miami
"Meanness" doesn't translate on the floor

Did we really need to bump an old Perk thread? 

Perk's name came up in the topics, about Doc saying we should've had Perk. I just don't think the Perk factor mattered

Yeah, I just figured you'd want to post in one of the other multiple Perk threads that are active.  Oh, well, carry on.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted it again. My bad

[moiso]

Someone was arguing with me earlier that Perk is injury prone and likely wouldn't be healthy in the finals.  Where the heck did this idea come from?

People also seem to be forgetting that Perk shoots one of the highest percentages in the league.

Yeah, it also bugs me when people say Perk is injury prone.  He's not.

[dlpin]

Someone was arguing with me earlier that Perk is injury prone and likely wouldn't be healthy in the finals.  Where the heck did this idea come from?

People also seem to be forgetting that Perk shoots one of the highest percentages in the league.

Yeah, it also bugs me when people say Perk is injury prone.  He's not.

He's not?
He's been in the league 7 years.  In those 7 years, he missed at least 10 games due to injury 4 times. He has never played a full season, and has had surgery on both knees and one shoulder.

[paulcowens]

5. Perk is injury Prone

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 4. Perk has no offensive game to speak of

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 3. Perk only has himself to blame for getting traded

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2. Lets get real

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1. We won the Championship in spite of Perkins!!

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5)How odd to claim that we are better off with two gimpy but brave oldsters and no real starting center than we would have been with two gimpy but brave oldsters and a slowed down but still legit starting center.

4)How odd to claim that the Celtics offense, which relies heavily on cohesion and folks knowing the playbook well, is better off without a center who knows how to play with the team, who has been a primary pick and screen setter, etc..

3) How odd to claim that it makes sense to trade your starting center on the verge of the playoffs when you are leading the championship chase, because of a possible future contract issue.

4) How odd to claim that ubuntu didn't matter, to a team whose secret weapon was 'ubuntu'.

5)Yes.  We won a championship despite Perkins, just as the Thunder are driving deep into the playoffs despite Perkins.

[OsirusCeltics]

5. Perk is injury Prone

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 4. Perk has no offensive game to speak of

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 3. Perk only has himself to blame for getting traded

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2. Lets get real

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1. We won the Championship in spite of Perkins!!

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5)How odd to claim that we are better off with two gimpy but brave oldsters and no real starting center than we would have been with two gimpy but brave oldsters and a slowed down but still legit starting center.

4)How odd to claim that the Celtics offense, which relies heavily on cohesion and folks knowing the playbook well, is better off without a center who knows how to play with the team, who has been a primary pick and screen setter, etc..

3) How odd to claim that it makes sense to trade your starting center on the verge of the playoffs when you are leading the championship chase, because of a possible future contract issue.

4) How odd to claim that ubuntu didn't matter, to a team whose secret weapon was 'ubuntu'.

5)Yes.  We won a championship despite Perkins, just as the Thunder are driving deep into the playoffs despite Perkins.

Its comical that you took out the explanations, because its symbolic of all the Perk lovers who cover their eyes to Perk's obvious deficiencies

5. Perk is injury prone, really not hard to dispute. Like the poster above stated, he has missed 10 or more games every season due to injury. Injured his shoulder in Game 4 2008, and injured his knee Game 6 2010, Can't count on the guy.
And the fact that Danny replaced Perk with aging old centers doesn't make Perk valuable. He just should've had better replacements

4. The fact that the Celtics had 2 offensive liabilities in Rondo and Perk actually NEGATES ball movement. Teams now had the ability to double off of them and crowd Celtics 3 best players. Instead of creating space for the Big 3 to dominate, they do the opposite. Which is one of the reasons for their notorious scoring droughts. No one can get open

3. Perk... only...played...12...games
When will people understand that? The Celtics were 34-10 and leading the conference when Perk was out and not even playing. All the while Shaq and JO were in and out of the lineup. Then when Perk came back they were 4-5, then we went out again for 2 weeks with an injury to his other knee

2. Theres no way we don't win the championship without Paul, KG, and Ray. No need in even discussing that. The fact that fans think their title hopes were damaged with the Perk trade is a slap in the face to those 3 veterans

1. Perk only averaged 13 min per game in 2008. He wasn't even an important part in the Celtics winning
Game 4 and 6 were the biggest games for the Celtics

Game 4 2008 finals
Perk's minutes played- 13:15
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200806120LAL.html

Game 6 2008 Finals
Perk's Minutes played- 13:25
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200806170BOS.html

And one thing fans fail to realize about Perk on Thunder. Ibaka is now in the starting lineup in the 4 position (playing more minutes than Perk). They became a more conventional half-court team when Jeff Green left for Ibaka to start. Their defense is better because of it

[vinnie]

I guess Doc simply doesn't know the game of basketball.