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I hope Doc doesn't forget about Wafer
« on: February 28, 2011, 12:39:55 PM »

Offline MBunge

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While it would obviously be nice to get a more proven back up at the 2, I hope the addition of Jeff Green doesn't mean that Doc relegates Von Wafer into bench exile.  I don't see any reason why he can't be paired with DWest in the backcourt so Ray isn't run into the ground when the playoffs start.

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2011, 12:43:24 PM »

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If Green and West are healthy, then Wafer is a spare part.


Both Green and West are 20+ minute players off the bench with only so many minutes out there.  Green can play with Pierce (Pierce being the SG)

West can be the SG with Rondo at the point.   

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2011, 12:46:31 PM »

Offline Andy Jick

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agree with wdleehi...  he's pretty much useless at this point.  once all the pieces are here that we'll run with into the playoffs, he might not even dress on the active 12-man roster.
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Re: I hope Doc doesn't forget about Wafer
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 12:55:02 PM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on February 28, 2011, 12:43:24 PM
If Green and West are healthy, then Wafer is a spare part.


Both Green and West are 20+ minute players off the bench with only so many minutes out there.  Green can play with Pierce (Pierce being the SG)

West can be the SG with Rondo at the point.   



Actually, playing VW at 2 gives more minutes to West at PG, which gives Rondo some rest. Well deserved rest.  I like VW in limited minutes. He has been increasingly productive for us. I like how he can attack the hoop, has a nice 3 point shot, and is unselfish, willing to dish and get the other guys either looks in the second unit. This guy has really grown on me, and hope he sticks. Oh, and he works very hard on D!!
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 01:00:07 PM »

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Wafer's stepped it up lately, but I get the feeling our playoff bench rotation will be West, Green, Baby, and whatever other reserve bigs are healthy that day.  Wafer will get a few minutes but we don't want to lean on him if we can help it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 01:32:48 PM »

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Quote from: footey on February 28, 2011, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: wdleehi on February 28, 2011, 12:43:24 PM
If Green and West are healthy, then Wafer is a spare part.


Both Green and West are 20+ minute players off the bench with only so many minutes out there.  Green can play with Pierce (Pierce being the SG)

West can be the SG with Rondo at the point.   



Actually, playing VW at 2 gives more minutes to West at PG, which gives Rondo some rest. Well deserved rest.  I like VW in limited minutes. He has been increasingly productive for us. I like how he can attack the hoop, has a nice 3 point shot, and is unselfish, willing to dish and get the other guys either looks in the second unit. This guy has really grown on me, and hope he sticks. Oh, and he works very hard on D!!


West is not going to be play 20 minutes at PG.  12 more likely.  Which means he will likely play around 8 minutes of SG.


Throw in the minutes Pierce plays next to Green, it is down around the 2 minute range. 



Green and West are the more talented players.  They are going to get the minutes there.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 01:46:56 PM »

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Why?  That was the whole point of the trade.  We already narrowed our playoff rotation to 2 perimeter players (unless West is injured in which place we're screwed)
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Re: I hope Doc doesn't forget about Wafer
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 02:06:41 PM »

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There aren't enough minutes for Wafer in the playoffs. He will eat garbage time and serve as injury insurance for Ray/Delonte. He will get a few minutes due to serious foul trouble, but that's about it.

Here is a playoff minutes breakdown: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=45078
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Re: I hope Doc doesn't forget about Wafer
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 02:14:27 PM »

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Quote from: mgent on February 28, 2011, 01:46:56 PM
Why?  That was the whole point of the trade.  We already narrowed our playoff rotation to 2 perimeter players (unless West is injured in which place we're screwed)

You don't want to play a playoff rotation for the regular season.  There are 25 games left and Ray is averaging 36.1 minutes a game.  If he can play fewer than that the rest of the way, how can that be anything other than a good thing?  And even if Ainge picks up Bibby and DWest plays mostly at the 2, there are going to be matchups where Wafer's size would be useful.

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 02:35:27 PM »

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Quote from: MBunge on February 28, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: mgent on February 28, 2011, 01:46:56 PM
Why?  That was the whole point of the trade.  We already narrowed our playoff rotation to 2 perimeter players (unless West is injured in which place we're screwed)


You don't want to play a playoff rotation for the regular season.  There are 25 games left and Ray is averaging 36.1 minutes a game.  If he can play fewer than that the rest of the way, how can that be anything other than a good thing?  And even if Ainge picks up Bibby and DWest plays mostly at the 2, there are going to be matchups where Wafer's size would be useful.

Mike

Coaches generally like to start tightening their rotations during the last 1/3 of the regular season. To get the team in sync for the playoffs. It may be less of a priority to Doc due to the age of his core players and the time they've been playing together.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2011, 02:36:34 PM »

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wafer is the primary SG back up at this point to Ray
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 02:37:14 PM »

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I wouldnt call him useless, he has proven that he can provide a nice spark off the bench and give us some decent offense. also, his defense has improved since the beginning of the season.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2011, 03:50:20 PM »

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Who's this Wafer guy Ya'll talking about?
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2011, 04:05:37 PM »

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Quote from: celticinorlando on February 28, 2011, 02:36:34 PM
wafer is the primary SG back up at this point to Ray

Is he still or is West going to command 20+ minutes a night, backing up the 1 and the 2, as his wrist strengthens?
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2011, 04:13:19 PM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on February 28, 2011, 12:43:24 PM
If Green and West are healthy, then Wafer is a spare part.


Both Green and West are 20+ minute players off the bench with only so many minutes out there.  Green can play with Pierce (Pierce being the SG)

West can be the SG with Rondo at the point.   



Not sure West will ever be healthy.
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