Danny traded the wrong member of the Starting 5

[dpaps]

Are you serious??? Starting a thread to bash Rondo on celticsblog.com?

  New member alert.

is that a problem?

He didn't mean anything by that. He was just saying that there are threads all the time on all types of topics. If we want to discuss the merits of trading Rondo we will. If we want to discuss the merits of bringing back Gerald Green we will. He wasn't trying to take a shot at you, he was stating irony in someone being surprised that there would be a thread like this.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

Are you serious??? Starting a thread to bash Rondo on celticsblog.com?

  New member alert.

is that a problem?

No it's not a problem, it's just you're gonna have to get used to that. There's a wide range of opinions on any blog, and it's no different here.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

someone above me already said what was thinking. [dang] internet's too slow couldnt see it

[BballTim]

Are you serious??? Starting a thread to bash Rondo on celticsblog.com?

  New member alert.

is that a problem?

  Sorry. Threads to bash Rondo and most aspects of his game are a staple here.

[Juneauz]

Well, ok guys.
The fact is I'm still in shock with the trade (which I hated) and I logged here searching for some "celtics love".
finding myself in front of another "rondosucks" or "anti-rondo" thread really turned me on, the net is full with this nonsense.
I love that guy, and I'm deeply grateful for what he did and is doing for our team.

So maybe this is some kind of humour I don't get, or something. My bad then.

Just let me tell you that I truly, deeply disagree with what is being said here.
To me Rondo is the best pg in the league.
I'm entitled to have my opinion, I guess!

even if I am a new member

(sorry if my english isn't great)

[Tai]

Are you serious??? Starting a thread to bash Rondo on celticsblog.com?

  New member alert.

is that a problem?

  Sorry. Threads to bash Rondo and most aspects of his game are a staple here.

I remember when someone made a topic claiming Nate was better than Rondo. Ah, the good 'ol days...

[BballTim]

Well, ok guys.
The fact is I'm still in shock with the trade (which I hated) and I logged here searching for some "celtics love".
finding myself in front of another "rondosucks" or "anti-rondo" thread really turned me on, the net is full with this nonsense.
I love that guy, and I'm deeply grateful for what he did and is doing for our team.

So maybe this is some kind of humour I don't get, or something. My bad then.

Just let me tell you that I truly, deeply disagree with what is being said here.
To me Rondo is the best pg in the league.
I'm entitled to have my opinion, I guess!

even if I am a new member

(sorry if my english isn't great)

  Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. There are thousands (I think) of posters here, and all of them were new at one time.

[vinnie]

Are you serious??? Starting a thread to bash Rondo on celticsblog.com?

  New member alert.

is that a problem?

  Sorry. Threads to bash Rondo and most aspects of his game are a staple here.

I remember when someone made a topic claiming Nate was better than Rondo. Ah, the good 'ol days...

You mean Nate ISN'T better than Rondo?

[BballTim]

Are you serious??? Starting a thread to bash Rondo on celticsblog.com?

  New member alert.

is that a problem?

  Sorry. Threads to bash Rondo and most aspects of his game are a staple here.

I remember when someone made a topic claiming Nate was better than Rondo. Ah, the good 'ol days...

You mean Nate ISN'T better than Rondo?

  Any player that can dribble a ball, hit the occasional outside shot and make more than 70% of his free throws would be a better fit for this team than Rondo. Or so I hear.

[jimmywolfrey]

I'd trade Rondo for Deron Williams in a heartbeat... Its pure homerism (to me at least) if you wouldn't.

[jjax107]

Let me preface this by saying that I am a HUGE Perk fan, and I don't agree with this deal at all.  Long term, it may very well help us.  But this year, I don't see how it gives us a better chance to win #18.  And to me, that is all that matters right now.

What I would have felt better about, is if Danny had tried to make a move with Rondo.  (Note: I also think this trade was as much of an indictment on Rondo's offensive limitations as they were about Perk.)  Danny made several comments about needing more scoring options on the floor to close out games, and how it would open things up for Rondo.

I am not saying that is was possible to get Deron Williams, and NJ came up with a pretty attractive package, but I really hope that Danny at least looked into the possibility.  To me Williams would have been a big upgrade for this year and going forward.  I also would have been interested in other PG's like Nash or Ellis, both of whom would seem to have been available on some level.  Nash would obviously be a short term solution but would be an equally effective distributor with a much more potent offensive game.  And since I think Rondo is one of the most overrated defensive players (and players) in the league, I don't know how much you lose there either.  Yes, he gets steals (but so did Iverson).  He is atrocious at keeping his man in front of him, and opposing point guards consistently get into the paint.  People say Perk's success was largely a product of his environment.  I would argue (as Chris Paul did) that Rondo's numbers/success is also directly attributable to playing with Paul, Ray, and KG.  I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but he benefits from the talent around him, just as much as Perk did.

I guess I didn't intend to turn this into a 'bash Rondo' thread, but I feel like Danny was looking at the wrong starter to trade if he wanted to upgrade our offense without sacrificing our defense.  Should we go up against LA or SA in the Finals (god willing), I think we are going to wish we had Perk back.

I agree with the original OP. Ive always said Rondo was product of his environment and our most tradable asset for another all-star at his position. Ask yourself this question. Would Rondo be one of top players in league or allstar if he played for the Hawks?? Be honest. I mean as a die hard Celtic fan I appreciate him while he is here, but I live in SEC country and been following Rondo since his days at Kentucky.

[snively]

Ask yourself this question. Would Rondo be one of top players in league or allstar if he played for the Hawks?? Be honest.

Yes!  Rondo with old mate Josh Smith, Joe Johnson and Al Horford, with Marvin Williams as another shooter/athlete to run the floor?  He'd make the Hawks a title contender.  He's arguably a better fit with them than with the C's given their capabilities in the open floor.

Rondo would be great on any team with multiple offensive weapons (no, the C's aren't the only ones with good offensive players, as surprising as that may seem). 

The guy averaged a triple double with Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and a lot of mediocrity. The guy has his flaws, but his star credentials are legitimate and not some fluke. 

[jv2764]

Let me preface this by saying that I am a HUGE Perk fan, and I don't agree with this deal at all.  Long term, it may very well help us.  But this year, I don't see how it gives us a better chance to win #18.  And to me, that is all that matters right now.

What I would have felt better about, is if Danny had tried to make a move with Rondo.  (Note: I also think this trade was as much of an indictment on Rondo's offensive limitations as they were about Perk.)  Danny made several comments about needing more scoring options on the floor to close out games, and how it would open things up for Rondo.

I am not saying that is was possible to get Deron Williams, and NJ came up with a pretty attractive package, but I really hope that Danny at least looked into the possibility.  To me Williams would have been a big upgrade for this year and going forward.  I also would have been interested in other PG's like Nash or Ellis, both of whom would seem to have been available on some level.  Nash would obviously be a short term solution but would be an equally effective distributor with a much more potent offensive game.  And since I think Rondo is one of the most overrated defensive players (and players) in the league, I don't know how much you lose there either.  Yes, he gets steals (but so did Iverson).  He is atrocious at keeping his man in front of him, and opposing point guards consistently get into the paint.  People say Perk's success was largely a product of his environment.  I would argue (as Chris Paul did) that Rondo's numbers/success is also directly attributable to playing with Paul, Ray, and KG.  I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but he benefits from the talent around him, just as much as Perk did.

I guess I didn't intend to turn this into a 'bash Rondo' thread, but I feel like Danny was looking at the wrong starter to trade if he wanted to upgrade our offense without sacrificing our defense.  Should we go up against LA or SA in the Finals (god willing), I think we are going to wish we had Perk back.

Really? You want to take a mulligan on that one?

[Celtics18]

I would trade Rondo for DWill. I have no problem that we didnt but I think deron is that good. I think the OP has some fair points. I also think Rondo could be a lot better at keeping his man infront of him. I def wouldn't trade him for monta, nor nash. But like roy said, dwill and cp3 are probably better.

If the main reason you think we should get rid of Rondo is because he can't keep his man in front of him, you couldn't be more wrong.

Yeah because I said that we should get rid of Rondo... Read the post before you comment.

But yes Rondo could improve greatly in keeping his man in front of him and if you don't agree with that, you're not watching the Celtics.

  Seriously? Do you watch them? Almost every time an opposing pg wants to get past Rondo they have someone come out and set a pick for them. He gets beat off the dribble a lot less than most pgs I see.

  If Rondo's as bad at keeping his man in front of him as you say you should be able to list quite a few pgs that are clearly better at it than he is.

Handchecking rule, lots of picks, and a ton of guys out there whose primary NBA skill is getting into the lane;  Point guards get in the lane.  Yes, it even happens against the best defensive point guard in the league, Rajon Rondo. 

I will echo what BBall Tim has been asking for awhile now.  For those who say Rondo's an overrated defender, name a better defensive point guard.  Westbrook?  George Hill?  I guess arguments could be made for those two.  I've heard people who like Hinrich's d.

I'm just throwing out possibilities.  I don't actually think those guys that I mentioned are up to par with Rondo defensively.  Just trying to think of guys who the case could even be made for.  Anyone have any others who could even be in the discussion?

Gary Payton?  That's it!  We should trade Rondo for "the glove."

[RAcker]

dear god...people are acting like they traded bill russell

They just traded away a darker skinned version of Greg Kite, IMO...

Classic.