Danny traded the wrong member of the Starting 5

[Lord_of_the17Rings]

Let me preface this by saying that I am a HUGE Perk fan, and I don't agree with this deal at all.  Long term, it may very well help us.  But this year, I don't see how it gives us a better chance to win #18.  And to me, that is all that matters right now.

What I would have felt better about, is if Danny had tried to make a move with Rondo.  (Note: I also think this trade was as much of an indictment on Rondo's offensive limitations as they were about Perk.)  Danny made several comments about needing more scoring options on the floor to close out games, and how it would open things up for Rondo.

I am not saying that is was possible to get Deron Williams, and NJ came up with a pretty attractive package, but I really hope that Danny at least looked into the possibility.  To me Williams would have been a big upgrade for this year and going forward.  I also would have been interested in other PG's like Nash or Ellis, both of whom would seem to have been available on some level.  Nash would obviously be a short term solution but would be an equally effective distributor with a much more potent offensive game.  And since I think Rondo is one of the most overrated defensive players (and players) in the league, I don't know how much you lose there either.  Yes, he gets steals (but so did Iverson).  He is atrocious at keeping his man in front of him, and opposing point guards consistently get into the paint.  People say Perk's success was largely a product of his environment.  I would argue (as Chris Paul did) that Rondo's numbers/success is also directly attributable to playing with Paul, Ray, and KG.  I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but he benefits from the talent around him, just as much as Perk did.

I guess I didn't intend to turn this into a 'bash Rondo' thread, but I feel like Danny was looking at the wrong starter to trade if he wanted to upgrade our offense without sacrificing our defense.  Should we go up against LA or SA in the Finals (god willing), I think we are going to wish we had Perk back.

[bruinsandceltics]

[Edited.]

Comments like this are disrespectful.  All viewpoints are welcome here, and shouldn't be attacked or mocked. Please don't do it again.  

[BballTim]

  You've gotta love the beauty of someone who claims that Rondo does an atrocious job of keeping his man in front of him recommending that we sign Steve Nash. It's like posting on a Suns board that Nash isn't a great outside shot so they should replace him with Rondo.

[celticinorlando]

dear god...people are acting like they traded bill russell

[Andy Jick]

dear god...people are acting like they traded bill russell

They just traded away a darker skinned version of Greg Kite, IMO...

[Gomesfan]

Let me preface this by saying that I am a HUGE Perk fan, and I don't agree with this deal at all.  Long term, it may very well help us.  But this year, I don't see how it gives us a better chance to win #18.  And to me, that is all that matters right now.

What I would have felt better about, is if Danny had tried to make a move with Rondo.  (Note: I also think this trade was as much of an indictment on Rondo's offensive limitations as they were about Perk.)  Danny made several comments about needing more scoring options on the floor to close out games, and how it would open things up for Rondo.

I am not saying that is was possible to get Deron Williams, and NJ came up with a pretty attractive package, but I really hope that Danny at least looked into the possibility.  To me Williams would have been a big upgrade for this year and going forward.  I also would have been interested in other PG's like Nash or Ellis, both of whom would seem to have been available on some level.  Nash would obviously be a short term solution but would be an equally effective distributor with a much more potent offensive game.  And since I think Rondo is one of the most overrated defensive players (and players) in the league, I don't know how much you lose there either.  Yes, he gets steals (but so did Iverson).  He is atrocious at keeping his man in front of him, and opposing point guards consistently get into the paint.  People say Perk's success was largely a product of his environment.  I would argue (as Chris Paul did) that Rondo's numbers/success is also directly attributable to playing with Paul, Ray, and KG.  I’m not saying he isn’t a good player, but he benefits from the talent around him, just as much as Perk did.

I guess I didn't intend to turn this into a 'bash Rondo' thread, but I feel like Danny was looking at the wrong starter to trade if he wanted to upgrade our offense without sacrificing our defense.  Should we go up against LA or SA in the Finals (god willing), I think we are going to wish we had Perk back.

BLah Blah Blah.......Blah!!!!

That all I could here as soon as I read Rondo!
 Rondo's contract is a steal we would be stoopid to trade him! Blah!

[Celtics18]

I have one question for the thread originator; if you didn't mean for this to be a "bash Rondo" thread, what exactly were your intentions?

[Celtics4ever]

Your a big Perk fan and its blinded your reason.  We were winning .77 % of the time before Perk came back.  .58% of the time with him this year.

Howard scored 28 on him in Feb, Robin Lopez 18 ( yes Robin Lopez) and Bynum scored 16 last time we played the Lakers.  This defensive prowess you speak of has not been the same Perk from previous years.  I think he lost a lot of mobility.  You can bet your butts that the Celtics took note of these stats and trends.  The reinjury is the final straw.

[fairweatherfan]

Well, this thread made me feel better about the Perk trade, because as bad as that sucked, it was nothing compared to how I'd feel after a Rondo trade.  Danny would have to spend the next few months in a bunker in an undisclosed situation. 

Rondo is a budding star with a very favorable contract.  At this point, he's the one and only piece in the long-term plans of the franchise.  Barring some crazy steal of a deal, Rondo's not going anywhere, and he shouldn't.

[RJ87]

  You've gotta love the beauty of someone who claims that Rondo does an atrocious job of keeping his man in front of him recommending that we sign Steve Nash. It's like posting on a Suns board that Nash isn't a great outside shot so they should replace him with Rondo.

this.

[CoachBo]

Wow.

[rtifishul]

You're so right about Rondo, he's absolutely terrible, it's a shame we didn't get Williams. Why'd we have to trade Perk anyway? All we would've had to do is sprinkle some pixie dust on his knees, and he would've been good to go in a jiff. Plus, I hear Pierce has been drinking that water that MJ had in "Space Jam," so we totally didn't even need Jeff Green! We should be in the front office, not that joker Ainge.

[jaser]

I stopped reading when I saw Rondo. smh.

[tyrone biggums]

So you would rather see the Celtics trade an all star point guard, whose sole purpose is to distribute the ball and be a true point guard on the court, and play unselfish but keep a top 10 top 15 center because hes tough? Okay seriously losing Perk sucked but please no more threads like this.  

[Lord_of_the17Rings]

To answer a few of the comments:

"Are you high?"
No, not right now, but the weekend is still young.


"You've gotta love the beauty of someone who claims that Rondo does an atrocious job of keeping his man in front of him recommending that we sign Steve Nash. It's like posting on a Suns board that Nash isn't a great outside shot so they should replace him with Rondo."

I guess my point is I don’t view Rondo as a great defensive player.  I recognize Steve Nash is a MUCH worse defender.  However, Steve Nash is a MUCH better offensive player/shooter, with the ability to dish the ball as effectively as Rondo.  So if you are going to sacrifice defense for offense, I would have preferred to do so at the PG position, rather than at the C position.

"Dear god...people are acting like they traded bill Russell."

I think this is a bit of an overstatement.  I recognize Perk is not Bill Russell, nor is a he even an All Star.  But I think he was a vital part of this team on the defensive side of the ball.  I do find it interesting that the prevailing theme among fans and NBA analysts following game 7, was that “if Perk had been playing”, we would have won the Championship.  But now that he is gone, he is “a skinnier version of Greg Kite”, as someone just mentioned in this thread.


"I have one question for the thread originator; if you didn't mean for this to be a "bash Rondo" thread, what exactly were your intentions?"

My intentions were to state that I would have liked Danny (and he may very well have) to explore a change at PG prior to this trade.  I think there are other PG’s in this league that can effectively run this team (as mentioned, D. Williams, Ellis, Nash and others).  I think from a defensive standpoint, which does win Championships, keeping Perk would have made more sense.

"Your a big Perk fan and its blinded your reason.  We were winning .77 % of the time before Perk came back.  .58% of the time with him this year.

Howard scored 28 on him in Feb, Robin Lopez 18 ( yes Robin Lopez) and Bynum scored 16 last time we played the Lakers.  This defensive prowess you speak of has not been the same Perk from previous years.  I think he lost a lot of mobility.  You can bet your butts that the Celtics took note of these stats and trends.  The reinjury is the final straw."

I appreciate this comment.  I had not compared winning percentages, and specific stats of opposing players since Perk had come back from injury.  Your point is well taken and maybe as you said, Danny saw this as a trend and decided to cut bait.  I think my major problem with the trade is what you are now relying on in order to try and win the Championship this year.  And that being that Shaq will not only be able to stay healthy, but will be able to battle the likes of Dwight, Bynam, etc for 30+ minutes during the playoffs, (without getting hurt, or fouling out).  You are also counting on something out of Jermaine O’Neil which I think is fools gold at this point.

But I hope I am proven wrong and the new guys give us the boost we need, and the Center spot is not as big of a question mark come playoff time that I fear it will be.