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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2011, 06:06:32 PM »

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This has got to be the most frustrating season for Doc.

At the beginning of the year we didnt expect Bradley, Harangody, Semih, Wafer to get meaningful minutes, now they basically are second string players with Semih being a starter.

No clue how we have the first seed. We basically have no bench and havent had one all season.
actually doc should get some serious attention for coach of the year, everyone on team has bought into his system so injuries don't kill us

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2011, 06:09:47 PM »

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Well, at least it's just a "minor sprain" and he'll only miss a few games. (according to this source anyways)

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/02/source_perkins_1.html?camp=localsearch:on:twit:celtics

Still though, these injuries are getting out of hand. It's a miracle Pierce or Ray haven't missed a game yet this year.(knock on wood)

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« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2011, 06:10:21 PM »

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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2011, 06:26:27 PM »

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Salmon and mashed potatoes, this is great information. Thanks!
It wouldn't hurt us to sit Perk for a month and let him heal more so he won't have to use the good knee to compensate.

Perk doesn't need a career ending injury and I am just glad he'll be sitting out for the next few games.

It sure was good seeing him out there, though. Amazing!


How long do these things take to heal and what part of the knee is it actually?

ACL is the worst with MCL being? Or is it the opposite?


MCL injuries are usually manageable, and depending on your pain tolerance it's possible to continue to play on a partially torn or completely torn MCL, mainly because athletes tend to build the kind of muscle mass that compensates for what the MCL does for knee stability.

Perk apparently has a strain of his MCL, which is another way of saying he's got a minor knee sprain.  If you remember back to the 2008 Finals, this is the kind of injury that temporarily felled Paul Pierce in game 1.  In isolation, this is not a serious injury at all.

But the danger for Perk isn't the MCL strain.  The danger is how that strain compromises his running and jumping motion, and how that compromised movement puts added strain on his other, recently surgically repaired knee, especially so soon into his comeback.  If you remember back to Leon Powe, his ACL tear in the 2009 playoffs came two games after he returned to the court following a knee sprain in the opposite knee.  So, while his knee sprain was somewhat healed, it was the overcompensation that he put on his opposite knee that caused the catastrophic injury scenario.  Powe came back too soon, and it cost him.  We absolutely cannot allow that to happen to Perk--he's way too important.  I'd sit him down a month if necessary.  You don't play around with opposite leg injuries when you're coming back from an ACL/MCL tear.

The Cs will need to be very cautious with this injury.  Knee bruises and MCL strains are minor in and off themselves, but put them on a player coming back from a MCL/ACL tear on the other knee and it opens up that player to all kinds of overcompensation injuries, the exact kind of injuries that often derail otherwise successful comeback attempts.  I'd sit down Perk until he was pain-free and 100% healthy.

The Cs have been pretty flippant in the way they brought back Perk and ignored his minutes limitations from almost Day 1.  That said, this injury occurred because Curry kneed him in the knee, so I don't think it's related to his overuse.  Of course, going forward they need to extra-cautious about overusing Perk, especially in the regular season.  
Its a fine line though where do you draw it, what do we put him on the shelf with little play time, and in the playoffs have him rusty and out of game shape, no lift etc? thats not going to get it done

Sure, it's a fine line, but it's one that must be drawn and the Cs would be wise to error on the side of caution no matter where that line is drawn.

Perk looked pretty good in his very first game back, mainly because he had worked out like a maniac and maintained his weight and wind to the point that playing basketball wasn't a huge shock to his system.  I'd assume a similar progression this time around.  I don't care about lift, or rust--I only care that Perk get back on the court for when the games count.  We don't need Perk playing career-best basketball--we just need Perk on the court and contributing to the level he has shown so far in this comeback.  And given the risk of overcompensation that comes following any major knee surgery, the Cs need to put Perk's health first and foremost.  The last thing we need is a repeat of the Powe situation.  




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« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2011, 06:27:44 PM »

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« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2011, 06:32:03 PM »

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Hopefully he'll be back soon
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« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2011, 08:01:00 PM »

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The one thing that could have cost the C's a title is injuries. Well here we are with a gimpy team.  :'(

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« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2011, 08:04:11 PM »

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Frustrating all the injuries with our bigs. I think we may see either a Murphy trade or a Sheed return.

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« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2011, 08:06:28 PM »

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Frustrating all the injuries with our bigs. I think we may see either a Murphy trade or a Sheed return.

Why would we want Sheed when both Toine and Gerald Green are available?

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« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2011, 08:56:07 PM »

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Im trying to be optimistic about this but i feel like i'm just lying to myself. The c's always pull this crap. First 'he'll be back later in the game'. Then, 'It's just a knee bruise, he'll be back next game'. Then we finally learn it's an mcl sprain and he's out for the rest of the road trip. And now watch him not come back after the road trip (we've seen this before) first it's 'just for the road trip' then it'll be 'just another week'. Then 'just a couple more weeks and he'll be back'. Next thing you know we're waitin till the playoffs cus who really needs him for reg season games? This is not a 'sky is falling' post i'm just being realistic right now if he's not back the first game after the road trip it doesnt look good.

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« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2011, 10:51:14 PM »

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If Danny finds a backup three, if delonte can get back into the swing of things and be effective, if they can trade Nate and if perk and one of the o'neals are healthy for the playoffs, they have a shot. That is. Lot of ifs, but they still have a shot because of the big four. It is so discouraging having to watch all of these injuries.

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« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2011, 10:55:19 PM »

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If Danny finds a backup three, if delonte can get back into the swing of things and be effective, if they can trade Nate and if perk and one of the o'neals are healthy for the playoffs, they have a shot. That is. Lot of ifs, but they still have a shot because of the big four. It is so discouraging having to watch all of these injuries.

  If all those things happen we'll roll through the playoffs. If Perk and one of the O'Neals are healthy and we don't suffer any new injuries we're probably favorites to win it all.

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« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2011, 11:00:27 PM »

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^^^^^^^^^^^^

This

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2011, 11:06:15 PM »

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If Danny finds a backup three, if delonte can get back into the swing of things and be effective, if they can trade Nate and if perk and one of the o'neals are healthy for the playoffs, they have a shot. That is. Lot of ifs, but they still have a shot because of the big four. It is so discouraging having to watch all of these injuries.

  If all those things happen we'll roll through the playoffs. If Perk and one of the O'Neals are healthy and we don't suffer any new injuries we're probably favorites to win it all.


It sucks... I hate these injuries. 82 games is terrible for our team.

Part of me is hoping there is a lockout so the chances of our winning the title next year increase.

Think about it... The first 30 games we kill it every season. But with the added rest between the beginning of the 2011-2012 season and end of the 2010-2011 season, and Doc likely being more cautious about minutes in what would probably be a 50 game season we would probably be playing our best ball come playoff time.


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« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2011, 01:23:40 AM »

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If Danny finds a backup three, if delonte can get back into the swing of things and be effective, if they can trade Nate and if perk and one of the o'neals are healthy for the playoffs, they have a shot. That is. Lot of ifs, but they still have a shot because of the big four. It is so discouraging having to watch all of these injuries.

  If all those things happen we'll roll through the playoffs. If Perk and one of the O'Neals are healthy and we don't suffer any new injuries we're probably favorites to win it all.


It sucks... I hate these injuries. 82 games is terrible for our team.

Part of me is hoping there is a lockout so the chances of our winning the title next year increase.

Think about it... The first 30 games we kill it every season. But with the added rest between the beginning of the 2011-2012 season and end of the 2010-2011 season, and Doc likely being more cautious about minutes in what would probably be a 50 game season we would probably be playing our best ball come playoff time.

Yea i thought this would be good too...until i heard Steve Kerr talking about the lockout year in 99. He said there ended up being back to back to backs, yes 3 games in a row nights so they could squeeze games into the schedule. Not only that, but there were back to back games in the playoffs so with everyone another year older i dont know how much i like that idea anymore