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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2011, 05:03:51 PM »

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we have 4 centers that cannot stay healthy. i have given up on shaq and JO..they continue to breakdown with no end in sight...

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2011, 05:07:31 PM »

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So sit him remainder of trip.  Sounds to me like team is doing the correct thing and concentrating on health for the playoffs.  Start semih, if he isn't healthy enough put kg at center and run the other teams into the ground (if they have a big c)
I think as long as we don't give any of our starter to many minutes we'll be fine.  Keep pp, ray and kg's minutes managed.  If that means playing luke 15 minutes at pf I think the TEAM is good enough to make up for his defensive lapses.

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2011, 05:09:06 PM »

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not like this is anything new for the celtics...get one back..2 more go down...curse of golden state...same place where KG got kicked in the knee and pretty much ended his run

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2011, 05:12:30 PM »

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  This should put a damper on all the "trade Semih for a small forward" posts...

second that.
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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2011, 05:23:09 PM »

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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2011, 05:26:08 PM »

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How long do these things take to heal and what part of the knee is it actually?

ACL is the worst with MCL being? Or is it the opposite?


MCL injuries are usually manageable, and depending on your pain tolerance it's possible to continue to play on a partially torn or completely torn MCL, mainly because athletes tend to build the kind of muscle mass that compensates for what the MCL does for knee stability.

Perk apparently has a strain of his MCL, which is another way of saying he's got a minor knee sprain.  If you remember back to the 2008 Finals, this is the kind of injury that temporarily felled Paul Pierce in game 1.  In isolation, this is not a serious injury at all.

But the danger for Perk isn't the MCL strain.  The danger is how that strain compromises his running and jumping motion, and how that compromised movement puts added strain on his other, recently surgically repaired knee, especially so soon into his comeback.  If you remember back to Leon Powe, his ACL tear in the 2009 playoffs came two games after he returned to the court following a knee sprain in the opposite knee.  So, while his knee sprain was somewhat healed, it was the overcompensation that he put on his opposite knee that caused the catastrophic injury scenario.  Powe came back too soon, and it cost him.  We absolutely cannot allow that to happen to Perk--he's way too important.  I'd sit him down a month if necessary.  You don't play around with opposite leg injuries when you're coming back from an ACL/MCL tear.

The Cs will need to be very cautious with this injury.  Knee bruises and MCL strains are minor in and off themselves, but put them on a player coming back from a MCL/ACL tear on the other knee and it opens up that player to all kinds of overcompensation injuries, the exact kind of injuries that often derail otherwise successful comeback attempts.  I'd sit down Perk until he was pain-free and 100% healthy.

The Cs have been pretty flippant in the way they brought back Perk and ignored his minutes limitations from almost Day 1.  That said, this injury occurred because Curry kneed him in the knee, so I don't think it's related to his overuse.  Of course, going forward they need to extra-cautious about overusing Perk, especially in the regular season.  
Its a fine line though where do you draw it, what do we put him on the shelf with little play time, and in the playoffs have him rusty and out of game shape, no lift etc? thats not going to get it done

Sure, it's a fine line, but it's one that must be drawn and the Cs would be wise to error on the side of caution no matter where that line is drawn.

Perk looked pretty good in his very first game back, mainly because he had worked out like a maniac and maintained his weight and wind to the point that playing basketball wasn't a huge shock to his system.  I'd assume a similar progression this time around.  I don't care about lift, or rust--I only care that Perk get back on the court for when the games count.  We don't need Perk playing career-best basketball--we just need Perk on the court and contributing to the level he has shown so far in this comeback.  And given the risk of overcompensation that comes following any major knee surgery, the Cs need to put Perk's health first and foremost.  The last thing we need is a repeat of the Powe situation.  
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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2011, 05:30:28 PM »

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I'm so sick of all these injuries! Trade the next player that gets injured. >:(  (kidding)

But seriously, this is ridiculous!
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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2011, 05:37:05 PM »

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Wow Troy Murphy would come in and start for us now!

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2011, 05:39:40 PM »

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start baby at center and trade for Posey plus one of McRoberts/Hansborough (not because they're good, but because they're okay with good motor to back up KG.

This has nothing to do with Perkins though correct?  I mean you aren't saying to replace Perk?

No, just get some bodies that probably won't break while hoping for some future health from Perk, Shaq, Erden and maybe even J.O.

I guess I can get behind this.  I still wouldn't make any moves. 
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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2011, 05:41:31 PM »

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we have 4 centers that cannot stay healthy. i have given up on shaq and JO..they continue to breakdown with no end in sight...

You give up way to early.  Seriously have a little faith, bro.  They have the best record in the East and you've heard nothing regarding them not coming back. 
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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2011, 05:43:16 PM »

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Get Better Perk!

Not sweating it however, our team knows how to win.

I'm still confident it will come together at the playoffs.

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2011, 05:46:19 PM »

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This is why getting Troy Murphy would be a great idea.  We can never get enough big bodies, with all of our bigs injury proned and/or gimpy.

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2011, 05:55:25 PM »

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This has got to be the most frustrating season for Doc.

At the beginning of the year we didnt expect Bradley, Harangody, Semih, Wafer to get meaningful minutes, now they basically are second string players with Semih being a starter.

No clue how we have the first seed. We basically have no bench and havent had one all season.

Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2011, 06:02:12 PM »

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This has got to be the most frustrating season for Doc.

At the beginning of the year we didnt expect Bradley, Harangody, Semih, Wafer to get meaningful minutes, now they basically are second string players with Semih being a starter.

No clue how we have the first seed. We basically have no bench and havent had one all season.

Woe is us we only have 4 HOFS in our starting line up...
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Re: Perk out for the remainder of the road trip
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2011, 06:05:07 PM »

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we have 4 centers that cannot stay healthy. i have given up on shaq and JO..they continue to breakdown with no end in sight...

Well, there's no end in sight if you don't believe what anyone is saying.  But...I do understand why you feel this way.

As strange as it may sound, I actually feel less concerned that they are out than I would if they were all playing.   If they were playing with 27 games left, I would be worried every night that one would get hurt.  Let them nurse their way back and come back 2 weeks before the season ends. That's our best chance of having them (any of them) healthy throughout the playoffs.