powe and j.moon expected to be bought out/r.hamilton buyout a bit more likely

[Cman]

i would take moon for nothing instead of giving something up

ditto.  that would be a great outcome.

[Jon]

Richard Hamilton will not get bought out.

There's no way that the Pistons will eat any portion of his remaining contract, with a potential sale pending. Nor will Rip leave millions of dollars on the table.

Then why does it keep getting talked about among those in the know? 

Lockout or not, I think Rip would have a very good chance of making $12-13 mil over the next two years.  Right now, he's probably thinking about rotting away the last of his basketball prime on the bench of a bad Detroit team, or showing the world what he can do and landing a new contract with a team that wants him.

If you were stuck in a miserable job with a killer paycheck and you had a chance at breaking even by combining a lowball early retirement offer with a less lucrative but more enjoyable new job, wouldn't you do it?

I completely disagree.  Your real world analogy really doesn't work, since in most of our jobs, being 33 (yes, Rip's age), isn't towards the end of our careers.  

While I'd like to believe, let's look at the fact.  There's going to be a new CBA that will likely drive down contracts, or at least the cap, preventing teams from spending big money on free agents.  

Combine that fact with the fact that he's just two years younger than Ray, a player who has had a significantly better career, especially over the past few years.  

Furthermore, who would actually pay Rip 12-13 million a year?  The only teams that would be interested in him would be contenders already the cap.  Young teams with space aren't going to invest that kind of money in a guy in the twilight of his career.  

I'd love to be wrong, I just don't see it happening.  

[The DarkPassenger]

I'd much rather stick with what we have then pick up Moon and/or Powe. Don't get me wrong now I was a fan of Powe when we was here and was sad when I noticed that he was buried on the Cavs bench but I don't think that he is the player that he was and I wouldn't want to give up on Luke for a player who has had multiple knee surgeries.

Moon has faded fast as a player and whatever he was good at before I think he isn't good at it anymore. I mean we can sign him and hope he produces for us more than Michael Finley did but I don't see it.

Now if Rip is bought out (I doubt it but IF he is) I'd cut Bradley to make room for him. I mean he's a good kid and a good defender and all but why we drafted him is still beyond me. We have Rondo... our PG of the future and we kept Nate and brought back West... did we really need a fourth PG? I'm sure another team will pick Bradley up.

Even ESPN said that the Celtics problem with trades is that they don't really have any assets anyone wants so buyouts might be our only hope.  

[Chris]

Does anyone know who this guy is who tweeted this?  Is he a legitimate journalist?

If this is real, it has to undercut their efforts to get much value for Parker.

[kozlodoev]

I'd much rather stick with what we have then pick up Moon and/or Powe.

If Daniels can't play this season, which seems likely at this point, he'll almost certainly be waived at one point, since he's an expiring contract that will just occupy a roster spot. There is really no point in "sticking with him".

[Lucky17]

Richard Hamilton will not get bought out.

There's no way that the Pistons will eat any portion of his remaining contract, with a potential sale pending. Nor will Rip leave millions of dollars on the table.

Then why does it keep getting talked about among those in the know? 

Lockout or not, I think Rip would have a very good chance of making $12-13 mil over the next two years.  Right now, he's probably thinking about rotting away the last of his basketball prime on the bench of a bad Detroit team, or showing the world what he can do and landing a new contract with a team that wants him.

If you were stuck in a miserable job with a killer paycheck and you had a chance at breaking even by combining a lowball early retirement offer with a less lucrative but more enjoyable new job, wouldn't you do it?

"Those in the know" know less about the salary cap than most people who post here, and, because they need to sell newspapers, often indulge in wild speculation and rumormongering without having any facts to back things up.

Rip can get traded to another team, and make every penny owed to him. That's one scenario he's hoping for.

The other is that there is a coaching change, or change of heart among the current coaching staff, or an injury to someone taking his minutes, and he goes back to playing basketball for the Pistons.

Oh, and Rip's contract goes into its final year next year. It will be one heck of a trading chip. Why would Joe Dumars give that kind of asset up?

[stylo617617]

After reading the report I don't get the impression a Rip buyout is "a bit more likely".  Very misleading subject you created.

It just says what we've known all along; Rip needs to give up signficant money to get out of DET.  

well before that article i thought he just wasnt getting minutes becuase the logjam of guards in detriot

now after reading i see theres issues over there which makes him getting bought out hmm whats the word? a "BIT" more likey what exactley must have u needed so that u "feel" its a "BIT" more likely a quote from rip himself saying "its a BIT more likely i get bought out?"

smh

[mgent]

Sign them both!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SCBirdman]

I'd much rather stick with what we have then pick up Moon and/or Powe. Don't get me wrong now I was a fan of Powe when we was here and was sad when I noticed that he was buried on the Cavs bench but I don't think that he is the player that he was and I wouldn't want to give up on Luke for a player who has had multiple knee surgeries.

Moon has faded fast as a player and whatever he was good at before I think he isn't good at it anymore. I mean we can sign him and hope he produces for us more than Michael Finley did but I don't see it.

Now if Rip is bought out (I doubt it but IF he is) I'd cut Bradley to make room for him. I mean he's a good kid and a good defender and all but why we drafted him is still beyond me. We have Rondo... our PG of the future and we kept Nate and brought back West... did we really need a fourth PG? I'm sure another team will pick Bradley up.

Even ESPN said that the Celtics problem with trades is that they don't really have any assets anyone wants so buyouts might be our only hope.  

There is no way we cut Bradley. He is a guaranteed contract with value. Harangody would likely be cut or Quis bought out.

[stylo617617]

Richard Hamilton will not get bought out.

There's no way that the Pistons will eat any portion of his remaining contract, with a potential sale pending. Nor will Rip leave millions of dollars on the table.

Then why does it keep getting talked about among those in the know?  

Lockout or not, I think Rip would have a very good chance of making $12-13 mil over the next two years.  Right now, he's probably thinking about rotting away the last of his basketball prime on the bench of a bad Detroit team, or showing the world what he can do and landing a new contract with a team that wants him.

If you were stuck in a miserable job with a killer paycheck and you had a chance at breaking even by combining a lowball early retirement offer with a less lucrative but more enjoyable new job, wouldn't you do it?

"Those in the know" know less about the salary cap than most people who post here, and, because they need to sell newspapers, often indulge in wild speculation and rumormongering without having any facts to back things up.

Rip can get traded to another team, and make every penny owed to him. That's one scenario he's hoping for.

The other is that there is a coaching change, or change of heart among the current coaching staff, or an injury to someone taking his minutes, and he goes back to playing basketball for the Pistons.

Oh, and Rip's contract goes into its final year next year. It will be one heck of a trading chip. Why would Joe Dumars give that kind of asset up?

um i could be wrong but i think theres still another year on the contract after next year danny probably wouldve been traded for rip since he fits the "2 year window" contractually

[SCBirdman]

I'm hoping we can do better, but I would love to have Leon back. I would love for him to get another ring.

[ScoobyDoo]

I actually think the Hamilton buyout is more likely than people might think. What's he making, $12.5 per year this year and for two season thereafter? Hamilton wants what? He wants to be in a winning situation and make the same money, right? Detroit wants to part ways AND save MONEY...so, here's how it's done.

1. Detroit buys out Hamilton for:
$12.5 mil - the average mid level exception of $5.5 mil per year - so they buy him out for roughly $7 mil per year. They save appox $16.5 mil over the rest of this season and the next two...

2. Boston brings Hamilton on and there is and understanding that they will resign him for roughly the amount of the mid level for two years after this, maybe they pay him $6 or $7 mil per year.

3. If not, there for sure will be someone who will give Hamilton mid level money.

So Detroit saves $16mil and Hamilton ends up making roughly the same amount as if he stayed in Detroit, except he gets a ring in Boston. Everyone wins.

Last thought - with Ray getting older and Hamilton a bit younger, Danny might not mind re-signing Rip to medium money to keep him around with Pierce while we are semi rebuilding as Ray and KG phase out, it's a good move all around. Ray can come off the bench if he wants, Rip can play a few more minutes...  

This can be done.    

[Lucky17]

Rip's contract has one more full year guaranteed, and one more beyond that under an ETO.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/pistons.jsp

[get_banners]

If Moon is cut, he makes sense. Powe, not so much...he's not the player he was when he wore green. The Rip situation is interesting...it seems he's done in Detroit, and I doubt anyone will offer anything to pay him the rest of his contract, so the Pistons are probably best served in negotiating some sort of buy-out. They owe him $12m each of the next 2 years. Unless somebody gets really stupid and offers anything to pay that kind of money to Rip when there is great uncertainty re: the new CBA, the Pistons are better served paying him almost all of that money now and releasing him. They'll wait 'til the last minute to see if anyone gets desperate, but I suspect he'll be bought out for most of the rest of his deal soon after Thursday.

[the_Bird]

I actually think the Hamilton buyout is more likely than people might think. What's he making, $12.5 per year this year and for two season thereafter? Hamilton wants what? He wants to be in a winning situation and make the same money, right? Detroit wants to part ways AND save MONEY...so, here's how it's done.

1. Detroit buys out Hamilton for:
$12.5 mil - the average mid level exception of $5.5 mil per year - so they buy him out for roughly $7 mil per year. They save appox $16.5 mil over the rest of this season and the next two...

2. Boston brings Hamilton on and there is and understanding that they will resign him for roughly the amount of the mid level for two years after this, maybe they pay him $6 or $7 mil per year.

3. If not, there for sure will be someone who will give Hamilton mid level money.

So Detroit saves $16mil and Hamilton ends up making roughly the same amount as if he stayed in Detroit, except he gets a ring in Boston. Everyone wins.

Last thought - with Ray getting older and Hamilton a bit younger, Danny might not mind re-signing Rip to medium money to keep him around with Pierce while we are semi rebuilding as Ray and KG phase out, it's a good move all around. Ray can come off the bench if he wants, Rip can play a few more minutes...  

This can be done.    

Rip takes on a LOT of risk doing this, though.  What if he blows out his knee in this years' playoffs?  What if a changed CBA significantly cuts back on mid-level player salaries?  Is there any assurance that a 33/34 year old shooting guard is going to command $6M per?  What if he plays poorly the rest of the way out, and only gets himself something like a 2/$5M deal?

No way he leaves that much money on the table.  His agent would be insane to let him.

There's the issue of the Pistons potentially being sold (is the deal done?).  Why would the current owners basically pay the bulk of Rip's salary for the next two seasons NOW, when it could be an entirely different owner CTC'ing in 2012?