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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #495 on: September 29, 2011, 01:08:17 AM »

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And one more thing: I think we just slipped into a time warp in which we've been transported back to the days of the pre-2004 Red Sox, when they always found a way to choke.

And thanks, Yankees, for not bringing in Rivera in the bottom of the ninth for the save. I just discovered a new level of dislike for you.

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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #496 on: September 29, 2011, 01:11:28 AM »

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Why bother talking about this abomination of a baseball season. The R-- --x are the worst team in all of baseball right now. Bar none.

Sad! Just effin sad.
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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #497 on: September 29, 2011, 01:55:58 AM »

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Huge Roster/Rotation changes coming in the offseason ... This team was as soft as a shoe full of puppy sh*t ... Can't buy championships guys ... Go TIGERS!

Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #498 on: September 29, 2011, 04:34:42 AM »

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Wow. Epic collapse. Both for the season and for tonight. That was really the worst case scenario. So no C's and no Sox for whoever knows how many months. Disgusting.

Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #499 on: September 29, 2011, 06:50:16 AM »

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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #500 on: September 29, 2011, 07:03:00 AM »

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I understand he hit 2 home runs the night before, but any reason Lavarnway should hit (against a RHP no less) with the bases loaded on a night when he's already 0-4? Saltalamacchia could have surely gone 1 inning defensively.
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« Reply #501 on: September 29, 2011, 07:07:00 AM »

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I understand he hit 2 home runs the night before, but any reason Lavarnway should hit (against a RHP no less) with the bases loaded on a night when he's already 0-4? Saltalamacchia could have surely gone 1 inning defensively.

yeh. that would be my big second guess for last night...otherwise it's all on the players failure to move runners.  the game went pretty much exactly as Francona could have wished for pitching wise.
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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #502 on: September 29, 2011, 08:02:55 AM »

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Unbelievable ... truly amazing. Congrats to the Rays ... this was an incredible comeback, and they deserve this bid.

What a waste Crawford's contract has been ... and the Sox once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Nothing else to say. Ouch.

Fitting that Crawford ended the season by failing to make a sliding catch.

Better hope Crawford bounces back next season and earns his paycheck, because otherwise Crawford / Lackey could be insurmountable salary albatrosses for the next few years.


This team that seemed to have so much promise for the future just a couple months ago now looks like it could be mired in Wild Cardish mediocrity for a while.  How and when is the starting pitching going to get better?  The bullpen?

They are gonna have to get some starting pitching help, and I'd think they would try to shop Lackey to an NL team (agreeing to pick up some of the tab, of course).  They can't in good conscience put Lackey in their 2012 rotation after the worst season by a starting pitcher in Red Sox history.

Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #503 on: September 29, 2011, 08:03:40 AM »

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Pretty pumped the sox lost.  This team had no Cajones.  I'm a big sox fan don't get me wrong, but if they made the playoffs and got ushered out in the first round (like against the angels a couple years ago) the outrage among the fanbase and ownership wouldnt be there.

All the props in the world go to Tampa Bay though, man I wish the sox played the way those guys do.  
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« Reply #504 on: September 29, 2011, 08:05:40 AM »

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This team that seemed to have so much promise for the future just a couple months ago now looks like it could be mired in Wild Cardish mediocrity for a while.  How and when is the starting pitching going to get better?  The bullpen?

I don't see this team's future as mediocre at all.  The team got hit by a string of injuries (which, not surprisingly, is what led to the Braves' collapse, as well).  Losing Youk and Buchholz killed the team, and then Lester and Bard went into terrible slumps.

So, how does the pitching get better?  By having Lester pitch better (as his track record says he will) and by having Buchholz healthy.  Getting any sort of improvement at all from Lackey (he was historically bad) also improves the pitching staff.  Bard will definitely improve over what he showed in September; he was lights out for most of the year. 

I don't think things are hopeless for the Sox at all.  This month royally sucked, but I see them competing for the division crown for the foreseeable future.


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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #505 on: September 29, 2011, 08:22:47 AM »

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I don't mean to open up a hugh can of worms with this comment, but I am extremely disappointed in Adrian Gonzalez's comment that the loss was "God's plan."

I personally am not religious; I understand that Gonzalez is deeply devout, and he's entitled to his opinion.  But am I wrong in thinking that his comment speaks to the complete lack of accountability in that locker room?  I think his comment is a total cop-out and takes the blame off the players, which is absurd.

First it was injuries, then scheduling quirks.  Oh, now it's God's fault they lost!  ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

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« Reply #506 on: September 29, 2011, 09:08:01 AM »

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I don't mean to open up a hugh can of worms with this comment, but I am extremely disappointed in Adrian Gonzalez's comment that the loss was "God's plan."

I personally am not religious; I understand that Gonzalez is deeply devout, and he's entitled to his opinion.  But am I wrong in thinking that his comment speaks to the complete lack of accountability in that locker room?  I think his comment is a total cop-out and takes the blame off the players, which is absurd.

First it was injuries, then scheduling quirks.  Oh, now it's God's fault they lost!  ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

I don't mean to get into a religious discussion online with strangers because they never end well.  But I'll just say what I personally believe to be true.  I have that mindset a lot, especially when it comes to my life.  Just so you know, I'm a Christian.

I can try my best in whatever I attempt to do.  I'm in graduate school right now and I'm working as hard as I can to be able to get a degree.  But if I put in all the effort I could and it doesn't happen, then I'll tell myself that this wasn't God's plan for me.  It's how I was able to get over the Celtics' playoff exits in the years prior.  I used to get so down but then of course, I'd remind myself it's only a game and God simply didn't intend them to compete any further even though they tried.

Hope that makes sense.  If not or you don't agree with it, that's totally fine!

Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #507 on: September 29, 2011, 09:11:35 AM »

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It's an easy excuse for sure.  ::) And that's a fact discussion regardless of your religious beliefs -- or lack thereof.

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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #508 on: September 29, 2011, 09:13:10 AM »

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This team that seemed to have so much promise for the future just a couple months ago now looks like it could be mired in Wild Cardish mediocrity for a while.  How and when is the starting pitching going to get better?  The bullpen?

I don't see this team's future as mediocre at all.  The team got hit by a string of injuries (which, not surprisingly, is what led to the Braves' collapse, as well).  Losing Youk and Buchholz killed the team, and then Lester and Bard went into terrible slumps.

So, how does the pitching get better?  By having Lester pitch better (as his track record says he will) and by having Buchholz healthy.  Getting any sort of improvement at all from Lackey (he was historically bad) also improves the pitching staff.  Bard will definitely improve over what he showed in September; he was lights out for most of the year. 

I don't think things are hopeless for the Sox at all.  This month royally sucked, but I see them competing for the division crown for the foreseeable future.
Lester getting better does not address the gaping holes we have at 4th and 5th starter. Even if Lackey goes back to being his old mediocre-to-average self, who do we start at the 5 slot? Doubront? Two-and-a-half inning Bedard?
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Re: Red Sox 2011
« Reply #509 on: September 29, 2011, 09:13:58 AM »

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This team that seemed to have so much promise for the future just a couple months ago now looks like it could be mired in Wild Cardish mediocrity for a while.  How and when is the starting pitching going to get better?  The bullpen?

I don't see this team's future as mediocre at all.  The team got hit by a string of injuries (which, not surprisingly, is what led to the Braves' collapse, as well).  Losing Youk and Buchholz killed the team, and then Lester and Bard went into terrible slumps.

So, how does the pitching get better?  By having Lester pitch better (as his track record says he will) and by having Buchholz healthy.  Getting any sort of improvement at all from Lackey (he was historically bad) also improves the pitching staff.  Bard will definitely improve over what he showed in September; he was lights out for most of the year. 

I don't think things are hopeless for the Sox at all.  This month royally sucked, but I see them competing for the division crown for the foreseeable future.


A couple thoughts:

a) With a payroll as huge as the Red Sox have, not making the playoffs and contending is an enormous failure.  Therefore, simply "competing for a division crown" (which, technically, they did this year) is not sufficient to justify all of that money.

b) The pitching will get better with Buchholz back and healthy, and hopefully we can expect that Lester and Bard will be better.  Still, I'm very skeptical that our starting pitching can be anything other than just above average.  Beckett really looks like his best days are behind him.  Buchholz is good but not great even when he's healthy.  We have no decent starters to speak of outside the top 3.  Lackey is dead weight.

As for the bullpen, I don't expect Aceves to be this good again next year.  Bard has put his future in question.  Papelbon was very good for the most part this year, but the blown saves in the last week are very concerning.  After this meltdown, he might feel like starting over somewhere else.  Nobody else is worth mentioning, and I expect a lot of new faces (good riddance Albers, Morales, Wheeler, Jenks etc).  I'm not seeing how our bullpen is going to improve greatly.


c)  I get that the biggest factor in the team's collapse was the injury trouble.  But that has been a consistent issue over the past few seasons.  Injuries derailed last year's team, as well.  When do injuries start becoming an organizational issue that deserves some culpability?  Youkilis is injury prone; that's not going to change.  Our starting pitching rotation seems to fall apart every year at some point due to major injuries, no matter how much depth we have to start the season.  How are we supposed to feel confident that next season won't be derailed by injuries, too?
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