Contract year for Baby makes for a tough decision for the Celtics.

[mmbaby]

Roy, I get it, and thanks for the info from you and IndeedProceed.

Whew!! Well...come on, Big Baby, let's start working on this aspect of your game now.

I remember a time when he was pretty good with the rebounding, but this stat needs to come up.

I'm still happy with the rest of his game. Very happy and I hope that he does even better the rest of the season.
Love Big Baby Davis!

 

[BballTim]

Just so everyone knows, rebounding rate is the % of available rebounds a player gets while they're on the floor.

example: I'm in the game for 25 minutes. In those 25 minutes, there are 70 shots. Of those 70 shots, 40 go in. There are 30 available rebounds.

Of those 30, I get 6. So, 6/30=.20, or 20%

So, my rebounding rate would be 20.0 over that 25 minutes.

Glen Davis's rebounding rate is 11.0, that puts him at 78th among all PF's and 59th among power forwards who will play 500 or more minutes this season. Other players in his range are Thaddeus Young and Charlie Villinuava

  Wait til CharlieV hears you're picking on him. I can't wait for his "IndeedProceed is an insensitive bully" tweet.

[clover]

According to NBA.com, BBD is second highest rebounder on our team behind KG and 4th in scoring behind PP, RA and KG.
How about those stats?

Where do you get your 'facts', Suspense?

Baby is the only big guy other than KG who has played steady minutes this year--what do you expect?

[jr_3421]

Thing that sets BBD apart from most role players in this league is his clutch value. I think JVG said during one game that moment is never too big for him. The bigger the stage, the better he plays. That is not a common attribute among bench players and should be considered when people here talk about all the potential replacements for BBD. Not only does he get a lot of minutes, but he gets a lot of those minutes at the end of games.

If some team offers him a ridiculous salary then yes I say we let BBD walk. But I don't wanna see Danny get cheap with him and not offer a fair a fair deal.

[PaulPierce34G]

If BBD was able to re-sign, I'd be all for it...but, of course, at the right price. 

I think he will end up, as someone else said, going to a crappy team that'll pay him a good chunk of money & later on regret making the deal.  BBD thinks he is better than he actually is.  I'm not saying he is garbage, because he is a decent rebounder, can shoot the outside shot pretty well some nights, makes hustle plays...I just tend to think his attitude is that he is on some other level than he actually is. 

Also, maybe it is just me, but every time he touches the ball, I feel he is always just looking to shoot it...kind of reminds me of Tony Allen with that at times.  It would be a little blow to the C's roster, but something they could recover from.  They will make BBD a reasonable offer, not short change him, but they certainly will not go above & beyond to make sure he stays in green and white.  If he stays, I don't mind it...If he goes, I don't mind that either.  I'd rather re-sign Perkins, having him, Pierce & Rondo being the only contracts on the books post-2012 & then work from there.  Rondo has established himself as one of the league's best PG's & there will definitely be a free-agent wanting to come & play with him.  But, let's face it...This team will probably be taking a step back after 2012 & is going to try and rebuild on the fly to get back to championship caliber as quickly as they possibly can.  I'm not saying they will be lottery bound, but they probably will fall out of the East's elite for a little while.

[mmbaby]

Thing that sets BBD apart from most role players in this league is his clutch value. I think JVG said during one game that moment is never too big for him. The bigger the stage, the better he plays. That is not a common attribute among bench players and should be considered when people here talk about all the potential replacements for BBD. Not only does he get a lot of minutes, but he gets a lot of those minutes at the end of games.

If some team offers him a ridiculous salary then yes I say we let BBD walk. But I don't wanna see Danny get cheap with him and not offer a fair a fair deal.

TP

He's been playing big minutes all season due to injuries and even regardless, when other bigs are healthy. That says a lot about how much Doc wants him in the game and often playing with the starters.

[Jon]

Well, I think the biggest reason BBD plays at the end is because he can hit free throws.  Quite frankly, Shaq and Perk are liabilities out there. 

His big play does factor in too. 

I'd think about dealing him if we could make a big splash and land a talented 3 who can also play some 4 like Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, or Boris Diaw.  But even that would be a risk given the health of the rest of our big men. 

Ultimately, I think we probably have to keep him for depth this year even if it means we let him walk next year for nothing. 

[ssspence]

Thing that sets BBD apart from most role players in this league is his clutch value. I think JVG said during one game that moment is never too big for him. The bigger the stage, the better he plays. That is not a common attribute among bench players and should be considered when people here talk about all the potential replacements for BBD. Not only does he get a lot of minutes, but he gets a lot of those minutes at the end of games.

If some team offers him a ridiculous salary then yes I say we let BBD walk. But I don't wanna see Danny get cheap with him and not offer a fair a fair deal.

well put. that's baby's most valuable 'skill' -- let's hope he shows it again this post season.

[Casperian]

I love how we got several pages of people arguing about rebounds and rebounding rates and how they don´t want to overpay for a big man with this kind of flaw. Every Baby thread turns into a lecture about the fine art of interpreting singular stats.

It´s as if Davis, or any big man for that matter, has no value for the team besides rebounding.

Nobody talks about the things he does well, which there are plenty.
If you want a lot of rebounds, maybe we should get Sheldon Williams back, that guy was a great rebounder...

I think that´s called "can´t see the forest for the trees".

[Bahku]

I love how we got several pages of people arguing about rebounds and rebounding rates and how they don´t want to overpay for a big man with this kind of flaw. Every Baby thread turns into a lecture about the fine art of interpreting singular stats.

It´s as if Davis, or any big man for that matter, has no value for the team besides rebounding.

Nobody talks about the things he does well, which there are plenty.
If you want a lot of rebounds, maybe we should get Sheldon Williams back, that guy was a great rebounder...

I think that´s called "can´t see the forest for the trees".

Exactly, (TP).

When people just don't like a guy, for whatever reason, they're going to find a singular stat that is the weakest, (or the easiest to criticize), for that player, and make it all about that.

Glen still displays some immaturity in his game at times, but not more so than anyone else in his age bracket, and there are very few players I've seen of his size and girth, that can move their feet as quickly as he can.

He also has a very positive energy about him, and steps up the level of competition whenever he comes on the floor. He works his booty off, and that is at the core of what being a Celtic is all about.

He has an amazing ability to create space in the paint and get shots up, even when almost always surrounded by players who are taller than he is. That alone is testament to his attack mentality, and he uses it to draw defenses to himself and open up the perimeter for guys like Pierce and Ray-Ray.

He's also a "big" who has a very nice jump-shot, and can nail that eighteen-footer with decent consistency. He's an excellent passer, IMHO, especially in the interior, and is the best player in the NBA at drawing charges ... which is a huge weapon to have on your team.

I will also add that he's very emotional, and I love that about him, (though maybe that's why some don't care for him). He's also open to criticism and improvement, and with the players he has surrounding him now, he is learning from some of the best talent available.

He's learning defense from KG, learning the paint from Shaq, learning how to shoot from Ray Allen, learning how to create space, draw fouls, and take charges from Paul Pierce, learning how to pass from Rajon Rondo ... and he has the ability and work ethic to apply it.

He's definitely a keeper, IMHO, and he's only going to improve ... I for one, hope he's a Celtic for the long-term, because sooner or later, he's going to prove a lot of people wrong ... and I hope he's dressed in green when he does so.

[xmuscularghandix]

I think he's a keeper but if he keeps playing at that 6th Man of The Year level... i feel he may be playing himself out of town.

On a team that's contending for a championship, who has worked it's CAP in a way that the core is together while being way over the top... he's worth it.

But on a team that's looking to rebuild? I feel like a player in his situation isn't the best look moving forward. Let's say KG is gone. You have Glen Davis signed up and starting for your team, but you want to get an upgrade in the starting lineup. Big Baby won't adjust from that. He's the type of guy who wants to be a star, he loves talking to reporters, dancing in front of the cameras, and pouting when he doesn't get his way.

Sign him up, but make sure you have a plan.

I think Harangody could be turned in to Glen Davis.

[LilRip]

trading BBD at this point in the season wouldn't be smart. He plays too big of a role in our regular rotation. Of course, i'm only talking about deals that make sense. If Orlando offered us Dwight for BBD, JO and Nate, we do it in a heartbeat.

as for resigning BBD in the offseason, i think he's gonna end up bolting for another team that overpays. some team will offer him something like 9mil a year over multiple years and a starting job and that'll be that. DA has shown that he's not willing to overpay to keep certain players (Posey, TA) and i don't think he'll overpay to keep Baby.

[Bankshot]

Lock him up!  Unless we can get Dwight Howard for him.

[Fafnir]

I love how we got several pages of people arguing about rebounds and rebounding rates and how they don´t want to overpay for a big man with this kind of flaw. Every Baby thread turns into a lecture about the fine art of interpreting singular stats.

It´s as if Davis, or any big man for that matter, has no value for the team besides rebounding.

Nobody talks about the things he does well, which there are plenty.
If you want a lot of rebounds, maybe we should get Sheldon Williams back, that guy was a great rebounder...

I think that´s called "can´t see the forest for the trees".

One of the things that makes baby valuable is that he can do a lot of things. He's a plug and play big man off the bench. He can be a floor spacer, he can be an offensive rebounder, he can defend guys like Howard in the post credibly, and he can play either big man position.

The thing that holds him back is that he doesn't do anything at an elite level, except take charges.

He's not a guy who can post up consistently, he's not a knock down shooter, he's not a good defender at PF because of quickness and length issues, he's not a good defender at C because of his size and lack of shot blocking, and he's not an efficient player in general for a big man.

[Fan from VT]

I love how we got several pages of people arguing about rebounds and rebounding rates and how they don´t want to overpay for a big man with this kind of flaw. Every Baby thread turns into a lecture about the fine art of interpreting singular stats.

It´s as if Davis, or any big man for that matter, has no value for the team besides rebounding.

Nobody talks about the things he does well, which there are plenty.
If you want a lot of rebounds, maybe we should get Sheldon Williams back, that guy was a great rebounder...

I think that´s called "can´t see the forest for the trees".

Well, it really depends where the discussion goes. The things that baby brings to the table are quite helpful for this given team. And they look great for 3 mil a year off the bench. But what if he's getting 8 mil a year, and what if he's expected to start? He's immediately sunk cost, because he has far too many flaws and doesn't do his good things nearly at an elite enough level to be a starter or take up a large chunk of the cap.