If you had to pick, Antoine or Sheed?

[pearljammer10]

Toine is the better low post player compared to Sheed.

All Sheed has on Toine is a turnaround fadeaway.

Toine has way many more moves in the post and a hook shot that blows Sheed's hook shot out of the water.

I never said Toine was a mini Garnett. I said Toine's passion for the game is pretty powerful and exuberant, but not on KG's level.

How can you even think that Tonie is a better low post player than Sheed? Sheed on the block was always one of the greatest things to watch he just had trouble getting himself to go down there. Its like no contest.

[indeedproceed]

How can you even think that Tonie is a better low post player than Sheed? Sheed on the block was always one of the greatest things to watch he just had trouble getting himself to go down there. Its like no contest.

Both guys were pretty gifted post players that apparently hated playing in the post. Most common critique of either guy..so I dunno that Toine was that much worse or better than Sheed in that regard.

[LB3533]

I never said Toine was a mini Garnett. I said Toine's passion for the game is pretty powerful and exuberant, but not on KG's level.

Okay, I misunderstood you then. You said 'toine's passion for the game is like a mini garnett', and I assume you meant he had a passion for the game that was in some way comparable to Garnett's.

I still disagree with that however, if you think Toine's passion that much more than Sheed's, I don't think either guy is a night in night out 100% guy anymore..they both are pretty well known for mailing in games.

I've never seen Toine, as a Celtic, mail in any games before.

Maybe as a Miami Heat, Toine didn't give as much as he should, but he was the only Heat to show up in their 0-4 sweep by the Bulls the year after the Heat won the chip.

I dunno, I think lazy shot selection, half hearted defense, and playing just overall lazy when the team was down is mailing in games..and its definitely things both Sheed and Toine are guilty of, as Celtics and otherwise.

Toine's often faced criticism of coming to camp out of shape, lazing around during games, playing soft, especially in his shot selection..and Sheed has faced the same stuff. That said too, they've both been integral parts of championship winning squads.

Did you watch the Jim Obrien Celtics?

Lazy shot selection befell both Toine and Paul Pierce, and I contest it was the will of the coach and the design of the offense to shoot those shots....not by laziness's design.

Giving up and playing lazy ball when the team was down? That was never a trademark of those Celtics teams...maybe it was a trademark of those Doc Rivers teams with Jiri Welch, Ricky Davis and tanking for Durant and Oden...but it wasn't a trademark of those Jim Obrien teams.

[indeedproceed]

I never said Toine was a mini Garnett. I said Toine's passion for the game is pretty powerful and exuberant, but not on KG's level.

Okay, I misunderstood you then. You said 'toine's passion for the game is like a mini garnett', and I assume you meant he had a passion for the game that was in some way comparable to Garnett's.

I still disagree with that however, if you think Toine's passion that much more than Sheed's, I don't think either guy is a night in night out 100% guy anymore..they both are pretty well known for mailing in games.

I've never seen Toine, as a Celtic, mail in any games before.

Maybe as a Miami Heat, Toine didn't give as much as he should, but he was the only Heat to show up in their 0-4 sweep by the Bulls the year after the Heat won the chip.

I dunno, I think lazy shot selection, half hearted defense, and playing just overall lazy when the team was down is mailing in games..and its definitely things both Sheed and Toine are guilty of, as Celtics and otherwise.

Toine's often faced criticism of coming to camp out of shape, lazing around during games, playing soft, especially in his shot selection..and Sheed has faced the same stuff. That said too, they've both been integral parts of championship winning squads.

Did you watch the Jim Obrien Celtics?

Lazy shot selection befell both Toine and Paul Pierce, and I contest it was the will of the coach and the design of the offense to shoot those shots....not by laziness's design.

Giving up and playing lazy ball when the team was down? That was never a trademark of those Celtics teams...maybe it was a trademark of those Doc Rivers teams with Jiri Welch, Ricky Davis and tanking for Durant and Oden...but it wasn't a trademark of those Jim Obrien teams.

Eh...people always blame obie-ball when guys shoot too much from outside, but it never stopped for toine after he left Boston.

I did watch a fair amount of Obie-Celtics ball, but it being before league pass, it was nothing to the amount you can watch now.

[bballee]

Easy decision, neither!!

[BASS_THUMPER]

WALKER

the shimmy is needed back in bean town

[FLCeltsFan]

I'd take Walker.  He is at least playing basketball and in a simile of basketball shape.  Sheed played all last season and still wasn't in shape.  I can't imagine how out of shape he is now after not playing all year. 

[Roy H.]

Door number three?

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Door number three?

behind door #3..

SCALABRINE

[Roy H.]

Door number three?

behind door #3..

SCALABRINE

Sign me up.

[LB3533]

Toine is the better low post player compared to Sheed.

All Sheed has on Toine is a turnaround fadeaway.

Toine has way many more moves in the post and a hook shot that blows Sheed's hook shot out of the water.

I never said Toine was a mini Garnett. I said Toine's passion for the game is pretty powerful and exuberant, but not on KG's level.

How can you even think that Tonie is a better low post player than Sheed? Sheed on the block was always one of the greatest things to watch he just had trouble getting himself to go down there. Its like no contest.

One of the greatest things to watch?

Where do you get that?

Have you seen Sheed in the post? He has like 2 moves and they are both falling away from the basket.

[indeedproceed]

Toine is the better low post player compared to Sheed.

All Sheed has on Toine is a turnaround fadeaway.

Toine has way many more moves in the post and a hook shot that blows Sheed's hook shot out of the water.

I never said Toine was a mini Garnett. I said Toine's passion for the game is pretty powerful and exuberant, but not on KG's level.

How can you even think that Tonie is a better low post player than Sheed? Sheed on the block was always one of the greatest things to watch he just had trouble getting himself to go down there. Its like no contest.

One of the greatest things to watch?

Where do you get that?

Have you seen Sheed in the post? He has like 2 moves and they are both falling away from the basket.

Sheed's turnaround from 7-10 feet is right there with Duncan's bankshot and KG's turnaround and Shaq's pivot-dunk in terms of the most unstoppable shots of the last 15 years.

[Master Po]

Walker....or Sheed?......kicked or slapped?

[LB3533]

Toine is the better low post player compared to Sheed.

All Sheed has on Toine is a turnaround fadeaway.

Toine has way many more moves in the post and a hook shot that blows Sheed's hook shot out of the water.

I never said Toine was a mini Garnett. I said Toine's passion for the game is pretty powerful and exuberant, but not on KG's level.

How can you even think that Tonie is a better low post player than Sheed? Sheed on the block was always one of the greatest things to watch he just had trouble getting himself to go down there. Its like no contest.

One of the greatest things to watch?

Where do you get that?

Have you seen Sheed in the post? He has like 2 moves and they are both falling away from the basket.

Sheed's turnaround from 7-10 feet is right there with Duncan's bankshot and KG's turnaround and Shaq's pivot-dunk in terms of the most unstoppable shots of the last 15 years.

For unstoppable shots, I never think of a Rasheed Wallace turnaround.

It's either Kareem's Sky Hook, Hakeem anywhere in the post Dream Shot, or Shaq Bulldozer dunks.

Sheed's 7 - 10 feet fadeaway is just not up there in my book as truly unstoppable.

[indeedproceed]

Sheed's 7 - 10 feet fadeaway is just not up there in my book as truly unstoppable.

Well I mean...its completely unblockable, and he usually made it. He had a super-high release and a pretty deft touch. It wasn't really much of a fade-away, it was more like the way Big-Z shoots J's..he didn't even need to jump much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnAVALhIAIc