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Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2011, 02:00:38 PM »

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What about Tony Gaffney? I thought he should have made the team over Von Wafer...

He's a 6'9" 215lb Forward who can guard the quick and power forward positions. Right now in he's starting for the Utah Flash and putting up nice totals.

26 MPG, 8.7 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.1 SPG, 1.3 SPG, .540 FG%, .630 FT%

He's a +14.5 on the season as well.

His offensive numbers could be better, but he is what he is. A supreme defensive player who hasn't shown that he's scared of matching up on anyone.

Tony was on the Celtics roster throughout the playoffs, and was used as a practice guy to push the starters.

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Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2011, 03:21:29 PM »

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I actually like the Gaffney idea as a second option if there isn't a better target out there.  He knows the system pretty well I'd think and he could give the C's solid minutes and strong defensive play off the bench.  I know he's not a great shooter or scorer but it wasn't like Marquis was lighting it up from outside either. 

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2011, 08:34:51 PM »

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How about Renaldo Balkman? I am not sure of his status in Denver, but he is a decent Power three on the defensive side of the ball. We really dont need offense, just set picks, rebound and make the pass.
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Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2011, 11:32:30 PM »

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am i the only one intrigued by tracy mcgrady?? sure his FG% sucks, but getting easy looks c/o the C's system might help. plus, he can play some PG as well. i don't think he's missed a game yet.

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Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2011, 01:42:35 AM »

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Carl Landry is going to be out there. He's now the fourth big off the bench for Sacramento, and his contract is tiny for his production. Only problem is he's undersized like Davis.

If the Celtics get desperate I see no reason why they shouldnt target him though. A baby-Landry combo is small, but you gave to like that over Baby-Gody. If you go into the playoffs with Perkins/Garnett/Baby/Landry I think your in decent shape.

It would also be smart to keep him away from other teams. I could see him helping just about every contender. Heat could use him, Orlando could use him. Lakers too.

Now the question is would Danny give up Bradley for him?

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2011, 02:35:09 AM »

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Don't think they would go for a guy like Gaffney for a playoff run....they will go with someone with NBA level experience, even if less athletic. 

One question is who would get let go, to open up roster spot.  My guess is Gody....while I think they like him, he will likely never be more than an off the bench rotation player...think they keep Bradley.  Other possibility is Wafer, but I can see him getting mins in a playoff game, but not so with Gody.  Tough call, as Gody is a good energy guy...but if they pick up a new player, someone has to go.

I like T-Mac, but not sure if the Pistons would let him go, but more to the point, I think he's a 2, much more than a 3.  We really need someone who can play the 3, especially on defense.  Not sure that is T-Mac....

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2011, 02:40:15 AM »

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What about Posey ??? he doesn't even play for Indy anymore... would love to have him back!

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2011, 04:24:34 AM »

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Sasha Pavlovic. We don't have roster spot, so IMO there are two options: cut Daniels or Harangody. Pavlovic has 10day contract with Hornets which will ends tomorrow. Ariza is back and Sasha wasn't playing last night. He can guard and can score too.

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Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2011, 06:58:07 AM »

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Sasha never panned out for CLE.  I would avoid him at all costs.

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2011, 08:33:11 AM »

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What about Posey ??? he doesn't even play for Indy anymore... would love to have him back!

posey left for the cash...dont need him here

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2011, 09:04:16 AM »

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Rasual Butler would be my guess. He's buried on the Clipper's bench. He's a good sized two/three that can stretch the court nicely. I found this summary of him:

Rasual "Phoenix" Butler

Contract: 1 Year, $3.9 Mil
At the age of 29, Rasual Butler bounced back from his worst season in the league to post what was most likely his finest, earning himself the knickname of the Phoenix. Last season, Butler was left off the playoff roster, and managed a league-low 35% shooting. This season, he posted a 43% shooting, along with 39% shooting from three, and seized the starting shooting guard spot ten games into the season and never relinquished it. He hit a number of memorable shots down the stretch of the season, winning games in Sacramento and a week later, sending a Miami game to overtime on a prayer three-pointer. In all, there wasn't a better Hornets feel-good story than the one Butler delivered this season.
Offense: Okay - now that we've said all that about Butler, it's time to get down to the hard truth. Butler may have been a feel-good story - but he was below average as a starting shooting guard. His calling card - shooting - ranked 37th amongst shooting guards and 63rd among all Wing players.(as measured by true shooting percentage, which takes into account three-pointers and free throws) He had the third lowest assist rate of any shooting guard(though mitigated that by having the third lowest turnover rate too) and only drew an average of 1.3 free throws a game. These numbers clearly reflect what he was asked to do - spot up and shoot - but also reflect that there wasn't much else he contributed offensively.
Rebounding: I was a bit surprised by this, because I remembered him having several nice double-digit rebounding games, but this is when stats are valuable. Rasual Butler was 93rd in rebound rate among wing players, grabbing a pretty sad 6.3% of available rebounds. Even among typically non-rebounders like shooting guards, he ranks in the bottom half.
Defense: So - I've given Rasual Butler a lot of credit for his defense over the course of the year. His ability to stay with and contest most of his opponents seemed pretty special. He also typically took on the toughest defensive assignment on the wing. The question is: Did his ability to track opponents actually make them less productive? Not Really. Butler held opposing Shooting Guards to a PER of 16.4, and opposing Small Forwards to a PER of 18.2. While you'd expect those numbers to be a little higher than average since he takes the toughest player, it does show he's probably at best an average defender. Shooting Guards averaged a PER of 15.7 this year, and Small Forwards averaged a 15.9.
Summary & Trade Value: There's something that John Hollinger of ESPN talks about every year called the "Fluke Rule". Essentially, every year there are several players in the league, age 29 or 30, who suddenly have a tremendous season - way above the norm for what they've provided up until then. In almost every case, the following year that player falls back to their norm. Rasual is 29. In his seven seasons, only 2 have varied from the 10.5 PER he's averaged - last season and this one, making it likely he's one of those Fluke Players. In essence, what I'm saying is that Butler has a higher trade value now than he's ever had - and probably ever will have - and his contract is expiring, making him even more valuable. There may not be a better time to move him. While I doubt no one is going to trade straight up for him - he's not that kind of player - he could be added to a package deal to make it much more attractive.

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Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2011, 10:55:08 AM »

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If we are going after Landry then we let Luke go....

If we go after T Mac then we let Daniels go...

If we go after Pavlovic then Daniels go....

Unless we make a trade and even then, you dont get rid of a guy that supports your other position of need. We are thin at the wing and at the big from a health standpoint. We let go a guy if we get someone better or if someone is injured that cannot help us this season.

I wouldnt mind trading JO if we could get a decent forward with length in return even to take back salary just because I dont trust his reliability. I could not justify trading him for an undersized wing unless it was a superior player.
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Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2011, 12:23:06 PM »

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What about Tony Gaffney? I thought he should have made the team over Von Wafer...

He's a 6'9" 215lb Forward who can guard the quick and power forward positions. Right now in he's starting for the Utah Flash and putting up nice totals.

26 MPG, 8.7 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.1 SPG, 1.3 SPG, .540 FG%, .630 FT%

He's a +14.5 on the season as well.

His offensive numbers could be better, but he is what he is. A supreme defensive player who hasn't shown that he's scared of matching up on anyone.

Tony was on the Celtics roster throughout the playoffs, and was used as a practice guy to push the starters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNkFPDDJK8w

 

Yeah.  What others said.  Gaffney seems like a good idea due to his size and athleticism.  However, his general lack of NBA skills won't make up for that.  I'd rather have an undersized Von Wafer guarding LeBron and making LeBron work on the other end than Tony Gaffney (who LeBron still will drop 30+ on) letting LeBron roam on the defensive end. 

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2011, 12:25:07 PM »

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If Von Wafer has to spend any time guarding Lebron, he will score every single time up the court, either at the foul line or by getting to the hoop for a layup. I am not saying I would take Gaffney over Wafer, but I guess just pointing out that currently this team is in pretty dire straits.

Re: Potential Targets for the C's
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2011, 12:35:35 PM »

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If Von Wafer has to spend any time guarding Lebron, he will score every single time up the court, either at the foul line or by getting to the hoop for a layup. I am not saying I would take Gaffney over Wafer, but I guess just pointing out that currently this team is in pretty dire straits.

I somewhat agree.  However, the solution isn't to bring someone in with no NBA talent. 

I wouldn't completely undersell Wafer though.  He's no shorter than Tony Allen and is more polished offensively. 

Is he who I want on LeBron?  No.  But LeBron can score on anyone, and at the very least Wafer can get some of those points back. 

My bigger concern in such a scenario is that we don't have a 3rd option.  At the very least, it'd be nice to see Daniels make his way back to the active roster.  I really think we need 3 wings we can put on LeBron in a playoff series.  He gets too many calls not to. 

Going a completely other direction, if our big men could actually get healthy (all of them), we could afford to give KG a 5-10 mpg at the 3 if need be.  And while some will deride that idea for him being too slow or too old, I think most would agree that KG would probably do a better job on LeBron than Von Wafer or Delonte West.