Ray's Record fixed to occur on National TV vs. Lakers

[crownsy]

No smithy, you are. I know it sucks he didn't break the record at the game like you hoped, I'd be bummed too, but let's look at the assumptions you have to make to subscribe to your theory bs the reality that he just didn't break it.

1. Sometime in the last two weeks, ray made a conscious decision to screw the team and put himself first by limiting his three pointers made so that he would have the chance to break it at home.

2. Realizing that he was close, he intentionally took the team down a road where he could cost them a win and possibly, as Roy said, homeport.

He did it in such a way that it was "blatantly obvious" to you, a casual observer, meaning in this scenario that the the. 14 Celtic players are either complicite or stupid enpnough to not realize that he is refusing to take threes.

So, basically to accept your theory I have to subscribe to the idea that ray Allen, who for his entire career has been a class act and nothing but a team player and professional, fixed a game and cost his team a important victory to assure himself personal glory.

Sorry, but no, I don't by that simply because his mom didn't make the flight to charlotte . I know your p---ed it did t happen at your game. That's not proof o a conspiracy, that's bad luck

[MBz]

I was there in person and I watched him pass up at least 2 to 3 long ranges shots to dribble in about 4 to 5 feet, which he NEVER typically does!!!

Was his mother there??  If not, this was certainly done on purpose.

I am not saying that I don't LOVE Ray, but I am very disappointed for all the C's fans that were there (about 40% of the fans were wearing green, which was cool), especially my 12-year-old son.

More saddened and disappointed.

Also, of course Ray didn't plan this in 1996, but he certainly knew exactly where he was going into this game and who we played next and that it is on national TV.

I am not really out on a limb as far as many are accusing me.

Smitty77

They ran him off the 3 point line all night.  Yes he hit two 3 pointers early on, after that the bobcats adjusted.  I know you were there, but you are on a celtics board.  Many others here watched the game.  Just because his mom wasn't there doesn't mean he would decide oh I don't want to hit three 3's tonight.  Was he thinking about the record on December 5th when he only attempted one three pointer?  How about on November 19th when he only attempted two.  There's been multiple games where he has attempted 1,2 or 3 three pointers.  Also, on average, he's been hitting 2.3 3 pointers a game.  It's not like he normally shoots 7-9 3 pointers a game.  I can't believe we are saying a player fixed a game when he shot 9-17 from the field, 5-5 from the ft line, 2-2 from 3 point land for a total of 25 points. 

[BballTim]

I was there in person and I watched him pass up at least 2 to 3 long ranges shots to dribble in about 4 to 5 feet, which he NEVER typically does!!!

  Actually he's been doing this a lot more that he's done in the past. It's a real improvement.

[celticinorlando]

i want to see him tie the record with a bomb in fisher's grill and break it on kobe

[Fafnir]

These threads are jokes.  This is RAY ALLEN.  One of the classiest guys in the league.  He would never sacrifice a win so he could break a record.  He is one of the good guys of the league.  If it was fixed, dont you think he would have tried to hit one more to tie it there, then break it at home so it would be easier for him?  It isn't guaranteed he hits 2 3 pointers tomorrow night.

Agreed.  If Ray did hold back, I'd be very disappointed, because the Charlotte loss could very well be the difference between home court advantage against Miami in the playoffs, and going on the road.

However, I don't think he did.  Charlotte's outside defense was very good, and inside the perimeter it was weaker, so Ray picked his shots.

Yeah, Ray took and made most of his shots. The Bobcats just did a good job of making him take two point shots instead of threes.

[fairweatherfan06]

I can't believe that I dropped money to go see Ray "TRY" to tie and break the record in Charlotte.  What a freaking joke!!  Ray had NO intention of tying or breaking that record last night!!  Was his mother even at the game??  Doubtful!!!  Of course he wanted to break it in Boston vs. the hated Lakers, but that cost me and my son a bit of history.

I watching as he NEVER attempted another three after coming within one of the record.  Ray, VERY uncharacteristically, took tons of 15-17 footers from that point forward!!  He would actually catch the ball behind the line and with his quick release, he could have shot 2 to 3 attempts, but refused to even try one.

I NEVER like when anyone, refs or the GREAT Ray Allen, tries to manipulate our wonderful game.

If you were there, it was SO very obvious.  If you taped the game, watch it and you will see.

Disgusted for myself and my 12-year-old son,

Smitty77

Ray wouldn't manipulate the record, you asked if his mom's was there, HIS Dad was there, and my dad was there and spoke to him (they were in the miltary together used to play cards occasionally).  He was there to see him play don't think he'd NOT try with his pops watching.

[KCattheStripe]

Celtics fans: The only people I know who would accuse a game's leading scorer of trying not to score.

[GreenEnvy]

I was there in person and I watched him pass up at least 2 to 3 long ranges shots to dribble in about 4 to 5 feet, which he NEVER typically does!!!

Was his mother there??  If not, this was certainly done on purpose.

I am not saying that I don't LOVE Ray, but I am very disappointed for all the C's fans that were there (about 40% of the fans were wearing green, which was cool), especially my 12-year-old son.

More saddened and disappointed.

Also, of course Ray didn't plan this in 1996, but he certainly knew exactly where he was going into this game and who we played next and that it is on national TV.

I am not really out on a limb as far as many are accusing me.

Smitty77

I understand what you're saying, and I'd be a little upset too if he was playing in my hometown and I went. Granted, there were a lot of C's fans in Charlotte (mostly bandwagon fans - not saying you are), but there will be 98% C's fans in the stands against the Lakers.

There was no guarantee he would do it at Charlotte anyway. Are you peeved that he didn't even try for it? Would you have felt better if he went 2-8 instead of 2-2?

It's like going to a baseball game when a player is going for some sort of hitting record, only to see the player get intentionally walked his last 3 AB's. It sucks, but they aren't playing solely for records.


And anyone who doesn't think Ray Allen - a guy who needs a fraction of a second and a few inches to get off a three - couldn't get off more than 2 attempts is crazy.


This isn't a milestone point or something, this is an all-time record that perhaps may never be broken again. It's pretty special. We all know how much this means to Ray (and I'm sure sometime in mid-January when he got hot he circled this game on the calender). I respect him wanting to do it in front of the home crowd.


[And to some: let's not overreact and say him taking fewer three's somehow cost us the game, which will cost us HCA, which will cost us the championship. I know an easy way to make that game up - beat Miami on Sunday]

[moiso]

Celtics fans: The only people I know who would accuse a game's leading scorer of trying not to score.

Actually you are the first person to say anything about Ray not trying to score.  Hey, Bird even Bird did things like telling everyone he was going to bank in a left handed three, and attempting it.  Things like beating McHale's scoring mark on purpose.  It doesn't mean he didn't want to win, but sometimes there is more going on than we can see.

Of course Ray was trying to win and score, but I don't know why it's so far fetched that he would do it a little bit different stylistically in one half of one game.

[zerophase]

i want to see him tie the record with a bomb in fisher's grill and break it on kobe

hahaha yes. me too. me too.

[BballTim]

Celtics fans: The only people I know who would accuse a game's leading scorer of trying not to score.

  It's what you'd expect, when a point guard who passes the ball to wide open teammates instead of shooting is called "selfish".

[JSD]

This is the same Celtics ownership group and coach that tanked games during the 2007 campaign to have a better draft position for Oden or Durant right? It’s interesting that so many refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Ray set himself up for the Lakers in primetime to clinch this record. I look at it like this, money talks and people in this league listen, even Ray Allen. I’m not suggesting he managed or manipulated every game this season, but when it came down “Hmm… Bobcats at there place, or LA at home?” it was an easy decision.

I also believe he had the full support of ownership, staff and the players to take this approach.

[Roy H.]

This is the same Celtics ownership group and coach that tanked games during the 2007 campaign to have a better draft position for Oden or Durant right? It’s interesting that so many refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Ray set himself up for the Lakers in primetime to clinch this record. I look at it like this, money talks and people in this league listen, even Ray Allen. I’m not suggesting he managed or manipulated every game this season, but when it came down “Hmm… Bobcats at there place, or LA at home?” it was an easy decision.

I also believe he had the full support of ownership, staff and the players to take this approach.

What extra money is Ray getting?  Is he receiving a kickback of gate receipts?

In terms of Wyc, he stands to make a lot more money by having home court throughout the playoffs, which means if money is the #1 issue, the Celts should play as hard as possible every game.  That means not handcuffing your best shooter by encouraging him not to take threes.

[angryguy77]

This is the same Celtics ownership group and coach that tanked games during the 2007 campaign to have a better draft position for Oden or Durant right? It’s interesting that so many refuse to acknowledge the possibility that Ray set himself up for the Lakers in primetime to clinch this record. I look at it like this, money talks and people in this league listen, even Ray Allen. I’m not suggesting he managed or manipulated every game this season, but when it came down “Hmm… Bobcats at there place, or LA at home?” it was an easy decision.

I also believe he had the full support of ownership, staff and the players to take this approach.

Maybe he didn't have anything to do with it. I suspect Wyc and Danny told him they were shopping him. They probaly just told him "psyc" today. He'll be back to form thurs:P

[BballTim]

I also believe he had the full support of ownership, staff and the players to take this approach.

  Even if he did plan on setting the record at home, there's no way on the planet that he told the coaches and other players that he was going to do that.