What is with all the KG hatred?

[wiley]

KG is a great complimentary player (maybe the best ever in that regard), but he is not a #1 guy and never has been.  He always has needed players around with him the killer instinct and stones to hit the big shot.  He got that with Spree and Co. in Minny and now has it with Pierce and Allen in Boston.

I think that's unfair, his offensive game hasn't aged as well so now he needs Pierce/Allen/Rondo. But early in his career he was a dynamic number one offensive option. Excellent shooting, passing, face up, and post game.

Plus I'll add that every time he's had a decent team around him he went far in the playoffs, they put a lot of garbage around him.

He didn't get out of the first round 1 time in 7 seasons.  That says all you really need to know.

It says all you really need to know about the crap team that was put around him. Minny has no idea how to construct a team around its star players.

I am so tired of this one. Are you telling me if you trade Tim Duncan's roster for KG's that KG wins 4 rings and Duncan doesn't get out of the first round 7 times? How about Dirk who is so obviously worse?  How about even Webber for that matter? How about even Shawn Kemp for that matter.   KG didn't get out of the first round for most of a decade so it's gotta be everyone else's fault. It can't possibly be his.

As I mentioned in another post, the 7 times out in the first round argument doesn't add up to anything.  How do you know he wasn't carrying team's worse than this year's Cleveland squad as far as they could possibly be carried?

because you can look at the rosters of those two teams and figure it out.  

I like KG, don't mind his intensity at all, and actually don't care he is a dirty player.  I just don't think he is a #1 guy.  He is a great complimentary player, but you aren't winning a championship if you have to rely on KG to do the biggest work load.  He just doesn't have it in him.

Well, he's our best defender and the only reason the Celtics were able to turn around from one year to the next defensively.  If that's not clear I don't know what to tell you...

Next, as Fafnir stated, he was the leading scorer in the playoffs during our championship run, including leading scorer in the fourth quarter.

But, if you think he stunk it up in the 2008/2009 finals, so be it.  I disagree and so do the numbers and the Celtics ability to play elite level defense.....

When did I say he stunk up the joint.  I mean seriously, if you are going to comment at least understand the point before commenting.

Sorry:  07/08 finals.  Well, I deduced that was your feeling because your opinion goes against the numbers for the playoffs overall.  You said he's not good enough to be the main guy.  Well, with the best numbers overall you must have concluded that scoring less than Pierce in the finals = something pretty bad.

I get that you like Pierce and his mojo.  Dont' see why it comes at the expense of Garnett.

[wiley]

because you can look at the rosters of those two teams and figure it out.  

I like KG, don't mind his intensity at all, and actually don't care he is a dirty player.  I just don't think he is a #1 guy.  He is a great complimentary player, but you aren't winning a championship if you have to rely on KG to do the biggest work load.  He just doesn't have it in him.

I guess the 07-08 championship was a fluke then? He definitely carried the biggest load for the Celtics their entire title run.

He played as minutes as Pierce, he scored more, he scored as efficiently, rebounded more, and was more important to our defense as well.

what he said.

[garz]

I like KG, don't mind his intensity at all, and actually don't care he is a dirty player.  I just don't think he is a #1 guy.  He is a great complimentary player, but you aren't winning a championship if you have to rely on KG to do the biggest work load.  He just doesn't have it in him.

Not sure what the purpose of this statement is.. "#1 guy"? Celtics are team oriented to begin with, and they are made up of older players. It seems like an odd thing to say. Anyway personally the one player I fear losing the most is KG. You look at how the Celtics play without him and it is completely different.

[Eja117]

Eja117, you're a jerk...but you're our jerk. So, I will ignore all your KG hate now.

Fair enough. I strive to please

I didn't really mean that you're a jerk...it just sounded funny in my head (coz of the article that was on the main page). You're cool when you're not hating on KG.

[Eja117]

KG is a great complimentary player (maybe the best ever in that regard), but he is not a #1 guy and never has been.  He always has needed players around with him the killer instinct and stones to hit the big shot.  He got that with Spree and Co. in Minny and now has it with Pierce and Allen in Boston.

I think that's unfair, his offensive game hasn't aged as well so now he needs Pierce/Allen/Rondo. But early in his career he was a dynamic number one offensive option. Excellent shooting, passing, face up, and post game.

Plus I'll add that every time he's had a decent team around him he went far in the playoffs, they put a lot of garbage around him.

He didn't get out of the first round 1 time in 7 seasons.  That says all you really need to know.

This is ridiculous. 08' we win #17 with KG.

09' we were bounced by a paper tiger....w/o kg

10' we make the finals....with a 80% kg and should have won.

11' reamins to be seen but so far we're the top if not the 2nd best team in the league.....with a healthy kg.

do you see a trend?

Yeah that KG is a great second fiddle to Pierce's top dog.  To win a title you need the second fiddle.  As 2009 demonstrated, you don't need a second fiddle to win a playoff series.

Is Dilfer a better qb than Marino because he has a ring? He must be if playoff wins are the sole determining factor.

God YES ! A thousand time YES!

Hello! You PLAY to WIN the GAME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNooFZPfmgE&feature=player_embedded



You don't play for stats. You don't play for yards. You don't play for MVPs. You don't play for Hall of Fame inductions. You don't play for regular season records. You don't play for Pro Bowls. You don't play for all-pros. You don't play for money. You don't play to be on the cover of magazines. You don't play to get Nike ads.

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.

Trent won. Marino didn't.

And let me tell you something. I am sick and tired of this attitude like Trent Dilfer lucked his way into a Super Bowl win.  How many rings have the Ravens won since he left? The offense got better. The defense stayed the same. Only thing that changed was Trent.

Marino had his shot. He played in a Super Bowl. Brady won his first Super Bowl as young guy with no offense. Trent won his with no receivers.

Marino made the playoffs 10 times and never won a thing. He also missed the playoffs a lot. Marino lost to Tony Esiason in the playoffs. In the 1993 playoffs he gave up a 15 point half time lead to the Chargers. The guy never even won another AFC championship game let alone a Super Bowl.

Of course playoff wins are the sole determining factor. Would you ever want a player on your team if he was like "Well I don't care about playoff wins or anything."?   Of course not. Because you PLAY to WIN the GAME.  

Dan didn't do it. Trent did. That is why Trent is the better quarterback.

[barefacedmonk]

[Eja117]

ageism is very offensive.