Trade Donkey and Shrek

[jdub1660]

I can't provide a trademachine link b/c Pietrus can't be traded in a multiplayer deal until Feb 18. Eitherway, we wait until then and make this trade

BBD,Nate and Harangody(we'll call him Fiona for this thread)
plus a 1st rounder to Phoenix for Hakim Warrick and Pietrus.

Comparing the #s from NBA.com, Big Baby and Warrick have similar stats given that Davis plays 10 more mpg. I give Warrick the edge b/c of his athleticism which is greatly needed now and for the future with Rondo. Also, Warrick is locked in at a much more reasonable price where Davis could be overpaid next season due to him coming for this team.

Next is Pietrus which would be perfect. Long defender that can score at will. Forget the Gentry doghouse b/c the guy can play. He put up 30 in Phoenix before Carter came back into the lineup. And again, Pietrus would be great playing G/F now and later with Rondo.

The reason Phoenix would do this would be to save a year of Warrick, get a chance to sign Davis who loves to shoot and could compliment Lopez, and Nate is an energy shooter(similar with their success of House back in 06-07) If they want Bradley instead of Luke, salary still matches.

Post Big 3 of Rondo,Wafer/West,Pietrus,Warrick,Perk

[MBz]

Post Big 3 of Rondo,Wafer/West,Pietrus,Warrick,Perk

Would be a team that gets us a top 5 pick in the draft.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I have two basic conclusions:
1)  This team, including its bench, has been built and trained for a championship.  Ergo, trading Davis & Robinson would potentially cause some chemistry issues.
2)  Davis & Robinson (Shrek & Donkey), are ultimately MINOR pieces to the puzzle.  The ideal playoff rotation includes them playing small minutes.  And I think people forget this.  If we can trade Davis & Nate for someone who is talented then I believe they will fit into the well established chemistry of this team.  Also, I don't think its unreasonable to assume that an NBA caliber player can fit into this team.  We have a great coach and superb player leadership.

If the trade fits, I'm all for it.  Ultimately my belief is that the chemistry won't suffer.

[Bahku]

This season's stats:


Pietrus:      7.0 PTs/2.4 RBs/0.6 ASTs
Robinson: 7.7 PTs/1.7 RBs/2.2 ASTs

Warrick:     9.5 PTs/4.0 RBs/0.6 ASTs
Davis:      12.5 PTs/5.4 RBs/1.4 ASTs

Combined (Pietrus/Warrick):    16.7 PTs/6.4 RBs/1.2 ASTs
Combined (Robinson/Davis):  20.2 PTs/7.1 RBs/3.6 ASTs


Chemistry would be affected negatively as well, (this team has great chemistry as a unit), not to mention Nate's 3-point threat and Big Baby's leading the NBA in charges, (some which have been defensive keys to many games). Sorry, but I just do not agree ... I would much rather have Nate and Baby than Pietrus and Warrick. One "Nay" vote from me.

[heitingas]

i don't want warrick ,he has 3 years left, danny ainge won't let that contract get in the way of getting howard.

just wait a month from now, if the rockets are still out of the playoffs then there's a chance we could get battier.

[slamtheking]

Post Big 3 of Rondo,Wafer/West,Pietrus,Warrick,Perk

Would be a team that gets us a top 5 pick in the draft.

TP for beating me to it

[slamtheking]

Next is Pietrus which would be perfect. Long defender that can score at will. Forget the Gentry doghouse b/c the guy can play.

If he could score at will, he'd be a starter, and not just in Phoenix.   

[pearljammer10]

I dont know, personally I love this deal. Nate's struggling, and I just dont like Baby. Warrick is the athletic above the rim player we could use off the bench and on the front line, and Pietrus is a great 3 off the bench, he can provide scoring form the outside and lock down D. We can also move Marquis to SG. The defense off the bench would be crazy good.

Rondo/ West
Allen/ Daniels
Pierce/Pietris
KG/Warrick
Perk/Oneal/Oneal

Thats a great rotation for me.

[arctic 3.0]

don't like the proposed trade but i'd do
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jyw3f6
nate and bbd for urdith and thompson


sac just may like this deal because it sheds 9 mil in salary at the end of the year plus bbd and cousins should mesh well together.
beno could be expendable with ty evens running the show.

imo the c's would definitely do this, for now and the future.
rondo,urdith
allen, west
pierce, danials
KG, thompson
perk, shaq, thompson

[gpap]

I have two basic conclusions:
1)  This team, including its bench, has been built and trained for a championship.  Ergo, trading Davis & Robinson would potentially cause some chemistry issues.
2)  Davis & Robinson (Shrek & Donkey), are ultimately MINOR pieces to the puzzle.  The ideal playoff rotation includes them playing small minutes.  And I think people forget this.  If we can trade Davis & Nate for someone who is talented then I believe they will fit into the well established chemistry of this team.  Also, I don't think its unreasonable to assume that an NBA caliber player can fit into this team.  We have a great coach and superb player leadership.

If the trade fits, I'm all for it.  Ultimately my belief is that the chemistry won't suffer.

I totally agree! In my opinion, I think way too much is made on this site about "team chemistry." Sometimes, we need to remember that quality teams consist of quality players NOT just a bunch of guys who love each other and swap roses and chocolates before games.

Also, I think Nate Robinson is not the player I thought he was. When we traded 3 players to get him last year, I thought we were getting a more complete player who can shoot, lay-up the ball and control the pace of the game.

Nate clearly can't do any of this on a consistent basis. As for Glen Davis, I like his game alot and like him as a person.
However, two things about Glen. Number one, he is not an athletic player which sometimes handicaps our offense and defense. Also, Glen Davis may be gone after this season.

Now if you can get Warrwick and Pietrus from Phoenix for these two guys, I would do it in a heartbeat.

For me to be honest, I don't think this would happen because Phoenix wouldn't do it. If it were up to Danny, I think he would do it in a heartbeat!

[Greenbean]

I might agree with this proposal but why are we including a 1st rounder???

[jdub1660]

I might agree with this proposal but why are we including a 1st rounder???

Originally I was thinking Pietrus had tons of value, and Warrick was better than BBD. I still think Warrick is more talented than Davis, but Davis is an expiring and Nate only has an extra year. Plus S/D are a talented combo, so the trade would make sense without the pick. Great point, GB

As for other posters worrying about chemistry and Warrick's 3rd year. Chemistry would be for the bench, which only plays about 10-12 mpg for each position. West picks up the ball handling(or Quis at times) with Wafer and Pietrus next to Warrick and Shaq. I would be a great rotation.
And that 3rd year is great b/c Warrick would compliment Rondo. He can dunk at will on most PFs in the league, hit the open jumper including an occasional 3, and long arms to play D. He's like an unpolished poorman's KG. Warrick is a keeper.

[MBz]

Glen Davis is 4th in the team in minutes.  He is 2nd on the team in rebounding. He's 4th on the team in scoring.  How is he a minor piece?  Anyone playing 30 minutes a game cannot be considered a minor piece.  Also I think Davis is a better post defender.  Warrick is a much better perimeter defender, but when guarding 4's I don't think Warrick is very effective.  He only weighs something like 215 lbs and he's not very strong.  For someone who is supposed to be so athletic it would be nice if he was a good shot blocker, but even Glen Davis has more blocks then him this year.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Glen Davis is 4th in the team in minutes.  He is 2nd on the team in rebounding. He's 4th on the team in scoring.  How is he a minor piece?  Anyone playing 30 minutes a game cannot be considered a minor piece.  Also I think Davis is a better post defender.  Warrick is a much better perimeter defender, but when guarding 4's I don't think Warrick is very effective.  He only weighs something like 215 lbs and he's not very strong.  For someone who is supposed to be so athletic it would be nice if he was a good shot blocker, but even Glen Davis has more blocks then him this year.

He hasn't been a minor piece thus far, but that is because of injuries and its the regular season.  In the playoffs I pray that Davis is not 4th in minutes, and is in fact back to a 'minor' role.  I'm not trying to diminish the role of the bench, or Davis, but in the playoffs I hope he's getting about 10mpg... which is fairly minor compared to the starting 5, etc.

[housecall]

If you are refering to Nate being Shrek and Baby being donkey,im all for trading Shrek and Peitrus is a good start.