"Pick 2 Draft" 2011 Discussion Thread

[Fafnir]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Why do his numbers suck then? My point was he scored a decent number of PPG, but that came from a usage near LeBron levels of 30.

Chris Kaman is not an elite offensive center, he's not Perkins by any means but he's not a piece you build around. Especially since his rebounding has only been above average for one year and his defense has never been good.

[wdleehi]

Everyone stop telling everyone else the players warts.


If someone want to keep Nate and Davis for the Celtics, it's there choice. 

It just puts more interesting names into the draft.

[Who]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Chris Kaman would be a great fourth option. Decent third option.

Unfit to be a first or secondary go-to scorer.

[Fafnir]

Until team names are drawn I don't see the harm.

[Roy H.]

I'll miss Bass_Thumper's presence in the draft this year.  I miss him for a lot of reasons, but it's going to be hard to top this roster:

Golden State Warriors - Jason Williams, Monta Ellis, Brian Scalabrine, Leon Powe, Andres Biedrins - Carlos Arroyo, Tony Allen, Brian Cardinal, Matt Bonner, Brad Miller

[Fafnir]

I'll miss Bass_Thumper's presence in the draft this year.  I miss him for a lot of reasons, but it's going to be hard to top this roster:

Golden State Warriors - Jason Williams, Monta Ellis, Brian Scalabrine, Leon Powe, Andres Biedrins - Carlos Arroyo, Tony Allen, Brian Cardinal, Matt Bonner, Brad Miller

Wow, at least GS has a better second fiddle than Biedrins now.

[Rondo2287]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Why do his numbers suck then? My point was he scored a decent number of PPG, but that came from a usage near LeBron levels of 30.

Chris Kaman is not an elite offensive center, he's not Perkins by any means but he's not a piece you build around. Especially since his rebounding has only been above average for one year and his defense has never been good.

His Numbers suck because he was one of the only offensive talents on his team last year, and in a crappy system. Only two people on Clippers last year shot above 50% from the field last year.

Also I think i guy putting up close to 10 Rpg when you are matched on the front line with Marcus Camby your not doing too bad.

[Rondo2287]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Chris Kaman would be a great fourth option. Decent third option.

Unfit to be a first or secondary go-to scorer.

I Agree Who, im not saying he is a first or second scorer, my only point is that there alot of good SG's and SF's out there that can score.  But If you are the clippers you have a pretty good draft position and can get another solid player to team with Blake and Kaman, then Kaman can be that third or 4th option.

[Fafnir]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Why do his numbers suck then? My point was he scored a decent number of PPG, but that came from a usage near LeBron levels of 30.

Chris Kaman is not an elite offensive center, he's not Perkins by any means but he's not a piece you build around. Especially since his rebounding has only been above average for one year and his defense has never been good.

His Numbers suck because he was one of the only offensive talents on his team last year, and in a crappy system. Only two people on Clippers last year shot above 50% from the field last year.

Also I think i guy putting up close to 10 Rpg when you are matched on the front line with Marcus Camby your not doing too bad.

His rebounding with Camby in the lineup was the exact same as his career average. (going by rebounding rate) Its not awful for a Center, just average.

*shrug* everyone has his binkies I guess. I still think the roughly 10 names I put up before all all better offensive players than him. Putting him into the average for a C category.

Do you think Kaman would go in the first round of the draft after everyone grabs their keepers?

[StartOrien]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Chris Kaman would be a great fourth option. Decent third option.

Unfit to be a first or secondary go-to scorer.

I Agree Who, im not saying he is a first or second scorer, my only point is that there alot of good SG's and SF's out there that can score.  But If you are the clippers you have a pretty good draft position and can get another solid player to team with Blake and Kaman, then Kaman can be that third or 4th option.

His defense is still par at best and he's going to be slower than ever (a pace that won't help Blake)

And looking through my tier sheets, there's a lot less good scoring swings than I would've thought.

[Rondo2287]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Why do his numbers suck then? My point was he scored a decent number of PPG, but that came from a usage near LeBron levels of 30.

Chris Kaman is not an elite offensive center, he's not Perkins by any means but he's not a piece you build around. Especially since his rebounding has only been above average for one year and his defense has never been good.

His Numbers suck because he was one of the only offensive talents on his team last year, and in a crappy system. Only two people on Clippers last year shot above 50% from the field last year.

Also I think i guy putting up close to 10 Rpg when you are matched on the front line with Marcus Camby your not doing too bad.

His rebounding with Camby in the lineup was the exact same as his career average. (going by rebounding rate) Its not awful for a Center, just average.

*shrug* everyone has his binkies I guess. I still think the roughly 10 names I put up before all all better offensive players than him. Putting him into the average for a C category.

Do you think Kaman would go in the first round of the draft after everyone grabs their keepers?

Thats a good question and he probably just is my Binky however this whole draft is about the team concept, and I am picturing Kaman and Blake with a playmaking PG and think about how scary that combo would be.

[Fafnir]

Rondo2287 Kaman doesn't post elite offensive numbers for a center even when healthy, which he is not. He did take an elite number of shots on a bad team to score a lot of points however.

His career TS% is only .528, his assist rate is low even for a post man, and his career TO% is also pretty high. His highest ever offensive rating is 104.

There just isn't an argument that he's worth keeping at this point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kamanch01.html

He might be the 6th or 7th best player on the team if he magically returned to form right now.

You can throw the good numbers on a bad team at me, but I have watched him play on a regular basis for several years, he has solid post moves, good hands and good touch around the basket.  Its a shame Livingston's leg blew up because i think If Kaman played with a PG that could get him som good looks his percentages would go through the roof.

Chris Kaman would be a great fourth option. Decent third option.

Unfit to be a first or secondary go-to scorer.

I Agree Who, im not saying he is a first or second scorer, my only point is that there alot of good SG's and SF's out there that can score.  But If you are the clippers you have a pretty good draft position and can get another solid player to team with Blake and Kaman, then Kaman can be that third or 4th option.

His defense is still par at best and he's going to be slower than ever (a pace that won't help Blake)

And looking through my tier sheets, there's a lot less good scoring swings than I would've thought.

Yeah most teams are keeping one at least, maybe two in some cases. Though there will be several to choose from early just due to three being on one team. (hint its not the Bucks or Bobcats )

[Fafnir]

Getting that playmaking PG would be the tricky part. I don't know of many that won't be keepers.

[Rondo2287]

BTW, any ruling on the Heat?  I can't imagine any team starting with Dwade and Bron not being the best hands down

[Rondo2287]

Getting that playmaking PG would be the tricky part. I don't know of many that won't be keepers.

I can think of a couple that I don't think will be keepers and given that the clips will have a high pick I think there is a good shot you could get it done. 

Again, how stupid was it of Lebron not to go the clippers from a pure basketball perspective?  They would be the most entertaining team in the league.