Time to trade Brady?

[BballTim]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

[winsomme]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

[BballTim]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

[winsomme]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

[BballTim]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

[TheAuerbach]

Keep him until he turns into Favre. Is it risky? Yes. How will we know if he learned from Sunday unless we put him in another playoff scenario?

[boom]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

ok you are going to get a Kyle Orton type quarter back in return for brady and draft picks , just like Denver got when they traded Cutler. And how much good has that done them ? two crap seasons in a row and a new coach.

I get that Bellicheck is a very good at scouting players , but anyone they pick will never end up being as good as brady( who still has at least 4 more years in his prime) . Plus like has been said many times , a team with Brady on it is not going to have a top 10 pick to give back to the Pats because Brady is too good.

Plus the Pats have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds this year. Why in the world do they need more draft picks instead of a MVP QB?

They can just trade the picks now and add talent on defense if they want to go that way, they still have cap room to hopefully sign some impact defensive FA . Who's to say they won't have more vets on the team next year that can help them contend for a title ?

But to trade Brady in hopes that you will somehow be a better team in 3-5 years is not very smart IMO.

again, rondo, I'm not saying I'd trade Brady. I'm just pointing out that it is not as outrageous as some have indicated. There are scenarios where it could work out for you.

We would have to find the team that would overpay for him and by doing so hurt their chances to compete with him....I mean isn't it surprising to see Cincinnati with the #4 pick.

If you get a team that is disorganized, not well coached and can't end up protecting the pocket, Brady's effectiveness drops considerably. as it would for any quarterback.

yes it is pretty outrageous . Unless you are getting Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson( a few All pro players who will be in their prime for another 7-10 years at least). You don't trade MVP/HOF QB's still in their primes for unknown draft picks( I understand that you wouldn't trade Brady)

but anyways I am sick of this topic because its never going to happen .

Add in Foster and I'm for it.

[winsomme]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

Where you draft is irrelevant. If you think someone is a good evaluator of talent then it's about the evaluation not the draft position.

If Belichick said to me in a private conversation that he thought Mallett or Locker was a franchise QB and was going to draft him at #16, then I would say the pick moves out of the "crapshoot" category for me....

[winsomme]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

plus, 50/50 is pretty good odds actually...

[boom]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

Where you draft is irrelevant. If you think someone is a good evaluator of talent then it's about the evaluation not the draft position.

If Belichick said to me in a private conversation that he thought Mallett or Locker was a franchise QB and was going to draft him at #16, then I would say the pick moves out of the "crapshoot" category for me....

You're kidding right? There's dozens of draft busts a year that coaches just like Belichick evaluate as "franchise" players. Prior to Mayo and Merriweather, Bill's picks were criticized often (who was that wide-out from Florida?). Thus, as stated and proven by hard facts, it's a crapshoot.

[winsomme]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

Where you draft is irrelevant. If you think someone is a good evaluator of talent then it's about the evaluation not the draft position.

If Belichick said to me in a private conversation that he thought Mallett or Locker was a franchise QB and was going to draft him at #16, then I would say the pick moves out of the "crapshoot" category for me....

You're kidding right? There's dozens of draft busts a year that coaches just like Belichick evaluate as "franchise" players. Prior to Mayo and Merriweather, Bill's picks were criticized often (who was that wide-out from Florida?). Thus, as stated and proven by hard facts, it's a crapshoot.

well if your crapshoot is 50/50 like Bball's then I'll take those odds....

Plus, do the odds go up after you get the player in working with the team and still think he's a franchise player? How about training camp? How about preseason?

Is there any point at which your "likelihood" gets you to the point where you would think about trading Brady for the massive package of talent he would net?

[winsomme]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

Where you draft is irrelevant. If you think someone is a good evaluator of talent then it's about the evaluation not the draft position.

If Belichick said to me in a private conversation that he thought Mallett or Locker was a franchise QB and was going to draft him at #16, then I would say the pick moves out of the "crapshoot" category for me....

You're kidding right? There's dozens of draft busts a year that coaches just like Belichick evaluate as "franchise" players. Prior to Mayo and Merriweather, Bill's picks were criticized often (who was that wide-out from Florida?). Thus, as stated and proven by hard facts, it's a crapshoot.

plus, I don't understand this insistence of BB taking the blame for other teams' draft mistakes.

[winsomme]

Hasn't Belichick been pretty good with first round picks? does anybody have a list?

[BballTim]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

plus, 50/50 is pretty good odds actually...

  50/50 or worse. I'd have thought that was understood.

[BballTim]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?

  Yes, I realize that. The same way I realize that asking you if you think that BB drafts perfectly is different than claiming that you said BB drafts perfectly.

then what's the relevance of drafting perfectly?

  The whole "crapshoot" thing...

your position was that of course picking Locker and/or Mallett was a crapshoot even if your scouting tells you that you have a franchise QB on your hands...If your scouting doesn't take you out of the realm of  "crapshoot" then why have it?

how about this...how about you place "crapshoot" on your spectrum of degree of risk? how about that?

  I'd say close to 50/50 is a crapshoot, and it's nonsensical to think that drafting a franchise qb in the middle of the first round will work out any better than that.

Where you draft is irrelevant. If you think someone is a good evaluator of talent then it's about the evaluation not the draft position.

If Belichick said to me in a private conversation that he thought Mallett or Locker was a franchise QB and was going to draft him at #16, then I would say the pick moves out of the "crapshoot" category for me....

  That's because you have way too much faith in BB's drafting ability. How many of his draft picks have been perennial pro bowlers?