Time to trade Brady?

[rondohondo]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

  Ok, so if you can't draft a franchise qb whenever you want then it's obviously true that the Pats can't depend on drafting a franchise qb whenever they want. So you're trading Brady without any real expectation that you'll get a franchise qb back for him. So, in effect, you're going into rebuilding mode with a perennial contender, and you'll have to switch from a team based on Brady to a team that follows the Bears/Ravens model.

you do a lot less good of a job at making other people's arguments for them than you do for your own.

the real expectation depends on the details of the plan. like I mentioned, if BB likes a QB in this draft that changes the equation.

if he likes several QBs in the next draft with Luck being the prize, then you are gambling on Luck with others being your back up (assuming that is the draft you are targeting).

no part of any plan to trade Brady would be a total crapshoot (ie having no real expectations) in terms of how you would fill the QB position.

maybe the QB position is filled by a FA like Hasselbeck for a couple of years...there are too many scenarios to play them all out but just because they are not laid out here doesn't mean they don't or couldn't exist.

and again, I think you are neglecting how much you could actually get for Brady...

  Hoping that the team you trade Brady to falls completely apart so you have a chance at Luck is a complete crapshoot. Hoping that a qb draft pick that BB likes that's not a top pick turns into a franchise qb is also a crapshoot. The only guarantee is that the journeyman FA qb that you sign will be significantly worse than Brady. The team isn't getting as far as it is because of a dominant defense, and the players on the offense around Brady aren't so skilled that you can plug in any available qb and contend, so your current window is closing.

  I'm not underestimating what you can get for Brady but the reason you can get so much for him is that he can turn a decent team into a contender. It follows that taking him from the Pats would turn them from a contender to a decent team. No linemen or receiver or whatever you get for him aside from a few draft picks will change that.

Depends on how much that team needs to give up to get Brady...certainly the team trading for Brady will think they will turn their season around with him as their QB, the question is what BB thinks will happen to that said team (given they are unloading young talent and picks to get him).

I don't think it's a crapshoot to think you could turn Brady into at least one top 5 pick...maybe a gamble to get the #1 pick in the Luck draft, but not top 5...we could have had a #8 pick for Seymour...

BB would just have to find the right trade partner...a team desperate enough to get Brady...

plus is it a crapshoot to think that Mallett or Locker is a franchise QB if BB thinks it to be the case?

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

[the_Bird]

Brady has ONE bad game - albeit at the worst possible time - and you want to trade him?

Dude was the best player in the league this year, bar none.

Dude made the Patriots - with a coming-back-from-injury Wes Welker and Deion Branch as his best wideouts, and LawFirm and Danny Woodhead as his running back - he made this team of castoffs into the best offense in the league.

And you want to trade him?

Mods, go ahead and ban/suspend me for this comment, I don't care.****

EDIT: I better not say it. 

[wdleehi]

David Carr

Alex Smith

Vince Young

[winsomme]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

  Ok, so if you can't draft a franchise qb whenever you want then it's obviously true that the Pats can't depend on drafting a franchise qb whenever they want. So you're trading Brady without any real expectation that you'll get a franchise qb back for him. So, in effect, you're going into rebuilding mode with a perennial contender, and you'll have to switch from a team based on Brady to a team that follows the Bears/Ravens model.

you do a lot less good of a job at making other people's arguments for them than you do for your own.

the real expectation depends on the details of the plan. like I mentioned, if BB likes a QB in this draft that changes the equation.

if he likes several QBs in the next draft with Luck being the prize, then you are gambling on Luck with others being your back up (assuming that is the draft you are targeting).

no part of any plan to trade Brady would be a total crapshoot (ie having no real expectations) in terms of how you would fill the QB position.

maybe the QB position is filled by a FA like Hasselbeck for a couple of years...there are too many scenarios to play them all out but just because they are not laid out here doesn't mean they don't or couldn't exist.

and again, I think you are neglecting how much you could actually get for Brady...

  Hoping that the team you trade Brady to falls completely apart so you have a chance at Luck is a complete crapshoot. Hoping that a qb draft pick that BB likes that's not a top pick turns into a franchise qb is also a crapshoot. The only guarantee is that the journeyman FA qb that you sign will be significantly worse than Brady. The team isn't getting as far as it is because of a dominant defense, and the players on the offense around Brady aren't so skilled that you can plug in any available qb and contend, so your current window is closing.

  I'm not underestimating what you can get for Brady but the reason you can get so much for him is that he can turn a decent team into a contender. It follows that taking him from the Pats would turn them from a contender to a decent team. No linemen or receiver or whatever you get for him aside from a few draft picks will change that.

Depends on how much that team needs to give up to get Brady...certainly the team trading for Brady will think they will turn their season around with him as their QB, the question is what BB thinks will happen to that said team (given they are unloading young talent and picks to get him).

I don't think it's a crapshoot to think you could turn Brady into at least one top 5 pick...maybe a gamble to get the #1 pick in the Luck draft, but not top 5...we could have had a #8 pick for Seymour...

  Of course it's a crapshoot to try and get a top 5 draft pick for Brady. That would mean that whatever team traded for him would end up winning 5 or less games with him being their qb. How can you guarantee that?

  And if BB could have had a #8 for Seymour and didn't he's losing his touch.

BB would just have to find the right trade partner...a team desperate enough to get Brady...

  Teams will trade for Brady if they expect to contend with him in the near term. It's like when Minny traded KG, the list of trade partners didn't really include any teams that would still be non-contenders with him.

plus is it a crapshoot to think that Mallett or Locker is a franchise QB if BB thinks it to be the case?

  Of course it's a crapshoot. Why wouldn't it be?

every team could conceivably contend. That's life in the NFL. The question is whether the team trading for Brady is as good at evaluating their ability to win as Belichick's.

Obviously he wouldn't trade Brady to a team that he expected to be turned into a contender in the year that he would be getting picks back.

Belichick in any deal would be banking on either a team with a weak front office or coaching situation and/or a team gambling on Brady's impact to the point where they are giving up too much talent and picks in return.

I wouldn't call that a crapshoot...I would call that kind of move a risky but examined....

you seem to be equating risk with "crapshoot". every move has some degree of risk...are they all crapshoots?

as for Mallett or Locker, if it would be a crapshoot then why scout...why do any scouting?

[winsomme]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks? would Belichick have taken those players if he had the #1 picks in those drafts?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

[rondohondo]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

ok you are going to get a Kyle Orton type quarter back and draft picks in return for brady  , just like Denver got when they traded Cutler. And how much good has that done them ? two crap seasons in a row and a new coach.

I get that Bellicheck is a very good at scouting players , but anyone they pick will never end up being as good as brady( who still has at least 4 more years in his prime) . Plus like has been said many times , a team with Brady on it is not going to have a top 10 pick to give back to the Pats because Brady is too good.

Plus the Pats have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds this year. Why in the world do they need more draft picks instead of a MVP QB?

They can just trade the picks now and add talent on defense if they want to go that way, they still have cap room to hopefully sign some impact defensive FA . Who's to say they won't have more vets on the team next year that can help them contend for a title ?

But to trade Brady in hopes that you will somehow be a better team in 3-5 years is not very smart IMO.

[winsomme]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

ok you are going to get a Kyle Orton type quarter back in return for brady and draft picks , just like Denver got when they traded Cutler. And how much good has that done them ? two crap seasons in a row and a new coach.

I get that Bellicheck is a very good at scouting players , but anyone they pick will never end up being as good as brady( who still has at least 4 more years in his prime) . Plus like has been said many times , a team with Brady on it is not going to have a top 10 pick to give back to the Pats because Brady is too good.

Plus the Pats have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds this year. Why in the world do they need more draft picks instead of a MVP QB?

They can just trade the picks now and add talent on defense if they want to go that way, they still have cap room to hopefully sign some impact defensive FA . Who's to say they won't have more vets on the team next year that can help them contend for a title ?

But to trade Brady in hopes that you will somehow be a better team in 3-5 years is not very smart IMO.

again, rondo, I'm not saying I'd trade Brady. I'm just pointing out that it is not as outrageous as some have indicated. There are scenarios where it could work out for you.

We would have to find the team that would overpay for him and by doing so hurt their chances to compete with him....I mean isn't it surprising to see Cincinnati with the #4 pick.

If you get a team that is disorganized, not well coached and can't end up protecting the pocket, Brady's effectiveness drops considerably. as it would for any quarterback.

[rondohondo]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

ok you are going to get a Kyle Orton type quarter back in return for brady and draft picks , just like Denver got when they traded Cutler. And how much good has that done them ? two crap seasons in a row and a new coach.

I get that Bellicheck is a very good at scouting players , but anyone they pick will never end up being as good as brady( who still has at least 4 more years in his prime) . Plus like has been said many times , a team with Brady on it is not going to have a top 10 pick to give back to the Pats because Brady is too good.

Plus the Pats have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds this year. Why in the world do they need more draft picks instead of a MVP QB?

They can just trade the picks now and add talent on defense if they want to go that way, they still have cap room to hopefully sign some impact defensive FA . Who's to say they won't have more vets on the team next year that can help them contend for a title ?

But to trade Brady in hopes that you will somehow be a better team in 3-5 years is not very smart IMO.

again, rondo, I'm not saying I'd trade Brady. I'm just pointing out that it is not as outrageous as some have indicated. There are scenarios where it could work out for you.

We would have to find the team that would overpay for him and by doing so hurt their chances to compete with him....I mean isn't it surprising to see Cincinnati with the #4 pick.

If you get a team that is disorganized, not well coached and can't end up protecting the pocket, Brady's effectiveness drops considerably. as it would for any quarterback.

yes it is pretty outrageous . Unless you are getting Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson( a few All pro players who will be in their prime for another 7-10 years at least). You don't trade MVP/HOF QB's still in their primes for unknown draft picks( I understand that you wouldn't trade Brady)

but anyways I am sick of this topic because its never going to happen .

[BballTim]

every team could conceivably contend. That's life in the NFL. The question is whether the team trading for Brady is as good at evaluating their ability to win as Belichick's.

Obviously he wouldn't trade Brady to a team that he expected to be turned into a contender in the year that he would be getting picks back.

  Sure, just like he didn't expect Oakland to be any good this year.

Belichick in any deal would be banking on either a team with a weak front office or coaching situation and/or a team gambling on Brady's impact to the point where they are giving up too much talent and picks in return.

  Key word: gambling.

I wouldn't call that a crapshoot...I would call that kind of move a risky but examined....

  Yes, as I've stated, you're trading away an MVP caliber quarterback for a risky move.

you seem to be equating risk with "crapshoot". every move has some degree of risk...are they all crapshoots?

  Well, you have to consider likelihood. Could a team fall completely apart with Brady at the helm? Yes. Is it a probable event? No. So crapshoot. Can a quarterback that you draft become a franchise qb? Yes. Is it likely? No. So, again, crapshoot. Which of those events do you think are more likely than not to occur? Is it more likely than not that one or the other will occur in a given year? You claim that I equate  risk with crapshoot. You don't seem to differentiate between possible and likely.

as for Mallett or Locker, if it would be a crapshoot then why scout...why do any scouting?

  Haha. Do you think that every draft pick BB makes works out perfectly? If not, why do any scouting?

[winsomme]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

ok you are going to get a Kyle Orton type quarter back in return for brady and draft picks , just like Denver got when they traded Cutler. And how much good has that done them ? two crap seasons in a row and a new coach.

I get that Bellicheck is a very good at scouting players , but anyone they pick will never end up being as good as brady( who still has at least 4 more years in his prime) . Plus like has been said many times , a team with Brady on it is not going to have a top 10 pick to give back to the Pats because Brady is too good.

Plus the Pats have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds this year. Why in the world do they need more draft picks instead of a MVP QB?

They can just trade the picks now and add talent on defense if they want to go that way, they still have cap room to hopefully sign some impact defensive FA . Who's to say they won't have more vets on the team next year that can help them contend for a title ?

But to trade Brady in hopes that you will somehow be a better team in 3-5 years is not very smart IMO.

again, rondo, I'm not saying I'd trade Brady. I'm just pointing out that it is not as outrageous as some have indicated. There are scenarios where it could work out for you.

We would have to find the team that would overpay for him and by doing so hurt their chances to compete with him....I mean isn't it surprising to see Cincinnati with the #4 pick.

If you get a team that is disorganized, not well coached and can't end up protecting the pocket, Brady's effectiveness drops considerably. as it would for any quarterback.

yes it is pretty outrageous . Unless you are getting Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson( a few All pro players who will be in their prime for another 7-10 years at least). You don't trade MVP/HOF QB's still in their primes for unknown draft picks( I understand that you wouldn't trade Brady)

but anyways I am sick of this topic because its never going to happen .

so you would trade Brady for Schaub and Andre Johnson and this and next years #1s? How about add in Brian Cushing?

[rondohondo]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

ok you are going to get a Kyle Orton type quarter back in return for brady and draft picks , just like Denver got when they traded Cutler. And how much good has that done them ? two crap seasons in a row and a new coach.

I get that Bellicheck is a very good at scouting players , but anyone they pick will never end up being as good as brady( who still has at least 4 more years in his prime) . Plus like has been said many times , a team with Brady on it is not going to have a top 10 pick to give back to the Pats because Brady is too good.

Plus the Pats have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds this year. Why in the world do they need more draft picks instead of a MVP QB?

They can just trade the picks now and add talent on defense if they want to go that way, they still have cap room to hopefully sign some impact defensive FA . Who's to say they won't have more vets on the team next year that can help them contend for a title ?

But to trade Brady in hopes that you will somehow be a better team in 3-5 years is not very smart IMO.

again, rondo, I'm not saying I'd trade Brady. I'm just pointing out that it is not as outrageous as some have indicated. There are scenarios where it could work out for you.

We would have to find the team that would overpay for him and by doing so hurt their chances to compete with him....I mean isn't it surprising to see Cincinnati with the #4 pick.

If you get a team that is disorganized, not well coached and can't end up protecting the pocket, Brady's effectiveness drops considerably. as it would for any quarterback.

yes it is pretty outrageous . Unless you are getting Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson( a few All pro players who will be in their prime for another 7-10 years at least). You don't trade MVP/HOF QB's still in their primes for unknown draft picks( I understand that you wouldn't trade Brady)

but anyways I am sick of this topic because its never going to happen .

so you would trade Brady for Schaub and Andre Johnson and this and next years #1s? How about add in Brian Cushing?

sure if I am getting that much young proven talent back in return and they were locked up to long term contracts. That's the only way the Pats would trade Brady, but there is no way a team is going to give up 3 young all pro players and draft picks for him. It would deplete their roster too much and brady would have 4 prime years left to try to build the roster around him.

By the way are there no trade clauses in the NFL because if anyone has a not trade option in his contract , it has to be Brady .

[winsomme]

every team could conceivably contend. That's life in the NFL. The question is whether the team trading for Brady is as good at evaluating their ability to win as Belichick's.

Obviously he wouldn't trade Brady to a team that he expected to be turned into a contender in the year that he would be getting picks back.

  Sure, just like he didn't expect Oakland to be any good this year.

Belichick in any deal would be banking on either a team with a weak front office or coaching situation and/or a team gambling on Brady's impact to the point where they are giving up too much talent and picks in return.

  Key word: gambling.

I wouldn't call that a crapshoot...I would call that kind of move a risky but examined....

  Yes, as I've stated, you're trading away an MVP caliber quarterback for a risky move.

you seem to be equating risk with "crapshoot". every move has some degree of risk...are they all crapshoots?

  Well, you have to consider likelihood. Could a team fall completely apart with Brady at the helm? Yes. Is it a probable event? No. So crapshoot. Can a quarterback that you draft become a franchise qb? Yes. Is it likely? No. So, again, crapshoot. Which of those events do you think are more likely than not to occur? Is it more likely than not that one or the other will occur in a given year? You claim that I equate  risk with crapshoot. You don't seem to differentiate between possible and likely.

as for Mallett or Locker, if it would be a crapshoot then why scout...why do any scouting?

  Haha. Do you think that every draft pick BB makes works out perfectly? If not, why do any scouting?

again, you make your own arguments better than you make others for them...

when did I say all BBs draft picks work out perfectly?

maybe if you actually stick to what my arguments actually are and stop moving the goal posts around we could actually progress here.

I'm tired of having to point out how you arguing about positions I haven't taken.

[BballTim]

every team could conceivably contend. That's life in the NFL. The question is whether the team trading for Brady is as good at evaluating their ability to win as Belichick's.

Obviously he wouldn't trade Brady to a team that he expected to be turned into a contender in the year that he would be getting picks back.

  Sure, just like he didn't expect Oakland to be any good this year.

Belichick in any deal would be banking on either a team with a weak front office or coaching situation and/or a team gambling on Brady's impact to the point where they are giving up too much talent and picks in return.

  Key word: gambling.

I wouldn't call that a crapshoot...I would call that kind of move a risky but examined....

  Yes, as I've stated, you're trading away an MVP caliber quarterback for a risky move.

you seem to be equating risk with "crapshoot". every move has some degree of risk...are they all crapshoots?

  Well, you have to consider likelihood. Could a team fall completely apart with Brady at the helm? Yes. Is it a probable event? No. So crapshoot. Can a quarterback that you draft become a franchise qb? Yes. Is it likely? No. So, again, crapshoot. Which of those events do you think are more likely than not to occur? Is it more likely than not that one or the other will occur in a given year? You claim that I equate  risk with crapshoot. You don't seem to differentiate between possible and likely.

as for Mallett or Locker, if it would be a crapshoot then why scout...why do any scouting?

  Haha. Do you think that every draft pick BB makes works out perfectly? If not, why do any scouting?

again, you make your own arguments better than you make others for them...

when did I say all BBs draft picks work out perfectly?

maybe if you actually stick to what my arguments actually are and stop moving the goal posts around we could actually progress here.

I'm tired of having to point out how you arguing about positions I haven't taken.

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

[winsomme]

This is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. How would the team that would trade for Brady have a bad enough record for the Pats to pick in the top 5? Any team that would trade for Brady would just be sending away draft picks , so that doesn't take away talent from their current roster, plus they are adding an MVP(Top 5 all time) quarterback.

And how many QB's that have been taken in the top 10 picks through the years have been complete busts , heres a few

David Carr       # 1 pick
Alex Smith       # 1 pick
Jamarcus Russell # 1 pick
Tim Couch        # 1 pick
Ryan Leaf        # 2 pick
Akili Smith      # 3 pick
Vince Young      #10 pick   - TP for wdleehi

and there were plenty other top 1st round picks like drew bledsoe and Jeff Gorge who were mediocre at best.

The draft is a total crap shoot.

The only thing the Pats have to do is get a deep threat WR, a few play makers on defense and the Pats will be set for another 4-5 year run with shots at the title with Brady as the QB.

If you want to draft a QB to learn unnder Brady I am all for that, you never know when serious injuries can happen, but to trade away all time great QB( who's still in his prime for about 4 years) for draft picks is crazy .

first why would any team trading for Brady ONLY deal draft picks?

second, why should the Pats ability to scout players be determined by other teams that have missed with #1 picks?

I don't see the logic there?

and again, just so we don't get this twisted...I'm NOT advocating for trading Brady. I know it's easier to argue against my position with that being the case...but it decidedly is not.

ok you are going to get a Kyle Orton type quarter back in return for brady and draft picks , just like Denver got when they traded Cutler. And how much good has that done them ? two crap seasons in a row and a new coach.

I get that Bellicheck is a very good at scouting players , but anyone they pick will never end up being as good as brady( who still has at least 4 more years in his prime) . Plus like has been said many times , a team with Brady on it is not going to have a top 10 pick to give back to the Pats because Brady is too good.

Plus the Pats have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds this year. Why in the world do they need more draft picks instead of a MVP QB?

They can just trade the picks now and add talent on defense if they want to go that way, they still have cap room to hopefully sign some impact defensive FA . Who's to say they won't have more vets on the team next year that can help them contend for a title ?

But to trade Brady in hopes that you will somehow be a better team in 3-5 years is not very smart IMO.

again, rondo, I'm not saying I'd trade Brady. I'm just pointing out that it is not as outrageous as some have indicated. There are scenarios where it could work out for you.

We would have to find the team that would overpay for him and by doing so hurt their chances to compete with him....I mean isn't it surprising to see Cincinnati with the #4 pick.

If you get a team that is disorganized, not well coached and can't end up protecting the pocket, Brady's effectiveness drops considerably. as it would for any quarterback.

yes it is pretty outrageous . Unless you are getting Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson( a few All pro players who will be in their prime for another 7-10 years at least). You don't trade MVP/HOF QB's still in their primes for unknown draft picks( I understand that you wouldn't trade Brady)

but anyways I am sick of this topic because its never going to happen .

so you would trade Brady for Schaub and Andre Johnson and this and next years #1s? How about add in Brian Cushing?

sure if I am getting that much young talent back in return and they were locked up to long term contracts. That's the only way the Pats would trade Brady, but there is no way a team is going to give up 3 young all pro players and draft picks for him. It would deplete their roster too much and brady would have 4 prime years left to try to build the roster around him.

By the way are there no trade clauses in the NFL because if anyone has a not trade option in his contract , it has to be Brady .

I'm not so certain. for the same reason you think it's absurd to trade Brady. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a team would overpay to get one of the best QBs of all time in his prime....

[winsomme]

  You asked why they should do any scouting if drafting is a crapshoot. I merely pointed out that it is, and they do.

I don't understand. you criticized a position I didn't take. I never said BB drafted perfectly.

you do realize that there is ground between "crapshoot" and "drafting perfectly" do you not?