Time to trade Brady?

[winsomme]

So the idea of trading Brady isn't all that outrageous. Especially if you could put yourself in line to somehow get the Stanford QB down the line...

  So the plan is to trade Brady and end up with one of the worst records in the league?

well I was thinking more of trading him somewhere and getting a pick that could potentially be a #1 pick in return...

The Bruins seem to have done it.

  The NHL has a lottery. You'd really have to trade him to a team that's so bad that even with Brady they'd be one of the worst teams in the league. Teams that are that bad don't trade draft picks for 33 year old quarterbacks.

Arizona Cardinals seemed to do okay adding an older QB.

  So the Cardinals, before trading for an old draft pick, were so bad that they could have added Brady and been one of the worst teams in the league with him playing for them?

well I'm saying a couple of things...You can have a Hall of Fame QB and still be bad...and you can also have a past their prime QB and still go to the Super Bowl.

The idea that no bad team would be interested in trading for a 33 year old QB (who might be the best of all time) considering how volatile the NFL doesn't seem certain to me...

Also the idea that adding Brady to any team would definitely mean the team goes to the playoffs does not seem a lock....but that's more about a Raiders type scenario where the organization is completely discombobulated.

  I didn't say no bad team would be interested in Brady. I said no team so bad they'd be a bottom 5 team with Brady would trade for him. And you don't have to make the playoffs to screw up your plan, you just have to finish out of the bottom 2-3.

fine. it's still not that outrageous to think that you could get a franchise QB even with the plan "not working"...plus, you can always trade up....we are known for stockpiling picks.

  If it's as easy to get a franchise qb as you think then they should keep Brady and just pick one with their own 1st rounder. You're basically giving away Brady for no reason.

that being the case, they could use the Brady pick to get a dominant lineman. Those are important too.

  More important than contending for a title obviously.

 

Who's to say you won't contend for a title? How many years has Sanchez been in the league?

  Who's to say you will? You're trading a strong chance at contending for a lowish chance that you will in a few years. It's like saying that the Celts should trade all of their starter for draft picks because those picks might all turn out to be superstars.

I think you are neglecting the main point which is that Brady would have an incredibly high trade value.

Would you have to have a plan on how you would move forward at the QB position, yes...but using your likelihoods, you are bound to get a ton for him in trade. not just one pick that may pan out to be franchise QB.

heck, let's say BB looks at the QBs out there this year (Locker, Mallet, etc) and likes what he sees....thinks he has a franchise QB at #16. wouldn't it make any sense to filch some team of picks and young talent that is salivating at the thought of getting Brady into their season ticket sales pitch while Brady's trade value is at its highest?

I mean he went 11-5 with an unknown Matt Cassell. How unlikely is it really that he could take a young QB that he sees something in scouting him and make him able to run the dink and dunk offense that they run?

and again, I'm not saying I would do it, but it's not as outrageous as you seem to believe.

[houlana]

how can u even suggest this man?

i think ur just upset about the last game and not thinking right. this guy is a legend and had an mvp season.

man the suggested posts on this site sometimes i dont get

[wdleehi]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

[BballTim]

I think you are neglecting the main point which is that Brady would have an incredibly high trade value.

Would you have to have a plan on how you would move forward at the QB position, yes...but using your likelihoods, you are bound to get a ton for him in trade. not just one pick that may pan out to be franchise QB.

heck, let's say BB looks at the QBs out there this year (Locker, Mallet, etc) and likes what he sees....thinks he has a franchise QB at #16. wouldn't it make any sense to filch some team of picks and young talent that is salivating at the thought of getting Brady into their season ticket sales pitch while Brady's trade value is at its highest?

I mean he went 11-5 with an unknown Matt Cassell. How unlikely is it really that he could take a young QB that he sees something in scouting him and make him able to run the dink and dunk offense that they run?

and again, I'm not saying I would do it, but it's not as outrageous as you seem to believe.

  Every qb that get picked highly gets picked in that spot because they might turn out to be a franchise qb. The hit rate is pretty low. No sane GM with a team as good as the Patriots would ever trade a franchise qb for a rookie qb that has enough doubts about him to fall to #16.

[BballTim]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

[winsomme]

I think you are neglecting the main point which is that Brady would have an incredibly high trade value.

Would you have to have a plan on how you would move forward at the QB position, yes...but using your likelihoods, you are bound to get a ton for him in trade. not just one pick that may pan out to be franchise QB.

heck, let's say BB looks at the QBs out there this year (Locker, Mallet, etc) and likes what he sees....thinks he has a franchise QB at #16. wouldn't it make any sense to filch some team of picks and young talent that is salivating at the thought of getting Brady into their season ticket sales pitch while Brady's trade value is at its highest?

I mean he went 11-5 with an unknown Matt Cassell. How unlikely is it really that he could take a young QB that he sees something in scouting him and make him able to run the dink and dunk offense that they run?

and again, I'm not saying I would do it, but it's not as outrageous as you seem to believe.

  Every qb that get picked highly gets picked in that spot because they might turn out to be a franchise qb. The hit rate is pretty low. No sane GM with a team as good as the Patriots would ever trade a franchise qb for a rookie qb that has enough doubts about him to fall to #16.

again I think you are underrating how much you could get for Brady and not understanding how Belichick drafts. His board is not affected by where other teams would draft someone.

[winsomme]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

[BballTim]

I think you are neglecting the main point which is that Brady would have an incredibly high trade value.

Would you have to have a plan on how you would move forward at the QB position, yes...but using your likelihoods, you are bound to get a ton for him in trade. not just one pick that may pan out to be franchise QB.

heck, let's say BB looks at the QBs out there this year (Locker, Mallet, etc) and likes what he sees....thinks he has a franchise QB at #16. wouldn't it make any sense to filch some team of picks and young talent that is salivating at the thought of getting Brady into their season ticket sales pitch while Brady's trade value is at its highest?

I mean he went 11-5 with an unknown Matt Cassell. How unlikely is it really that he could take a young QB that he sees something in scouting him and make him able to run the dink and dunk offense that they run?

and again, I'm not saying I would do it, but it's not as outrageous as you seem to believe.

  Every qb that get picked highly gets picked in that spot because they might turn out to be a franchise qb. The hit rate is pretty low. No sane GM with a team as good as the Patriots would ever trade a franchise qb for a rookie qb that has enough doubts about him to fall to #16.

again I think you are underrating how much you could get for Brady and not understanding how Belichick drafts. His board is not affected by where other teams would draft someone.

  Nobody's board is affected by where other teams would draft someone, are they? And I'm not underrating what you could get for Brady, but I don't think that you see why he'd be worth so much.

[BballTim]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

  Ok, so if you can't draft a franchise qb whenever you want then it's obviously true that the Pats can't depend on drafting a franchise qb whenever they want. So you're trading Brady without any real expectation that you'll get a franchise qb back for him. So, in effect, you're going into rebuilding mode with a perennial contender, and you'll have to switch from a team based on Brady to a team that follows the Bears/Ravens model.

[winsomme]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

  Ok, so if you can't draft a franchise qb whenever you want then it's obviously true that the Pats can't depend on drafting a franchise qb whenever they want. So you're trading Brady without any real expectation that you'll get a franchise qb back for him. So, in effect, you're going into rebuilding mode with a perennial contender, and you'll have to switch from a team based on Brady to a team that follows the Bears/Ravens model.

you do a lot less good of a job at making other people's arguments for them than you do for your own.

the real expectation depends on the details of the plan. like I mentioned, if BB likes a QB in this draft that changes the equation.

if he likes several QBs in the next draft with Luck being the prize, then you are gambling on Luck with others being your back up (assuming that is the draft you are targeting).

no part of any plan to trade Brady would be a total crapshoot (ie having no real expectations) in terms of how you would fill the QB position.

maybe the QB position is filled by a FA like Hasselbeck for a couple of years...there are too many scenarios to play them all out but just because they are not laid out here doesn't mean they don't or couldn't exist.

and again, I think you are neglecting how much you could actually get for Brady...

[Cman]

I haven't read any of this thread, and I haven't read anything on the Pats since that horrific loss.  I've purposely kept away.

But I think the "Trade Brady" idea is absolutely ridiculous.

 The Pats need two things to happen this offseason: (a) improve the O-Line and (b) improve the D-Line.  With (a), Brady gets more time to throw (I don't don't buy the idea that the Pats receivers are too small and not "big threat" enough).  With (b), the Pats defense gets the other team's offense off the field quicker and gets Brady back in the pocket quicker. 

I wrote (a) and (b) in the order in which they appeared in my head, but (b) is the bigger priority.

[Birdbrain]

This thread actually makes me feel better regarding all the trade BBD posts. 

Thanks.

TP

well, BBD would be great for the Patriots, but I don't know if Brady would make the rotation for the Celtics.

He'd better cut his hair, though.

He would be EPIC as a TE or NG.  Vince Wolfolk with speed and agility?  lol

[BballTim]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

  Ok, so if you can't draft a franchise qb whenever you want then it's obviously true that the Pats can't depend on drafting a franchise qb whenever they want. So you're trading Brady without any real expectation that you'll get a franchise qb back for him. So, in effect, you're going into rebuilding mode with a perennial contender, and you'll have to switch from a team based on Brady to a team that follows the Bears/Ravens model.

you do a lot less good of a job at making other people's arguments for them than you do for your own.

the real expectation depends on the details of the plan. like I mentioned, if BB likes a QB in this draft that changes the equation.

if he likes several QBs in the next draft with Luck being the prize, then you are gambling on Luck with others being your back up (assuming that is the draft you are targeting).

no part of any plan to trade Brady would be a total crapshoot (ie having no real expectations) in terms of how you would fill the QB position.

maybe the QB position is filled by a FA like Hasselbeck for a couple of years...there are too many scenarios to play them all out but just because they are not laid out here doesn't mean they don't or couldn't exist.

and again, I think you are neglecting how much you could actually get for Brady...

  Hoping that the team you trade Brady to falls completely apart so you have a chance at Luck is a complete crapshoot. Hoping that a qb draft pick that BB likes that's not a top pick turns into a franchise qb is also a crapshoot. The only guarantee is that the journeyman FA qb that you sign will be significantly worse than Brady. The team isn't getting as far as it is because of a dominant defense, and the players on the offense around Brady aren't so skilled that you can plug in any available qb and contend, so your current window is closing.

  I'm not underestimating what you can get for Brady but the reason you can get so much for him is that he can turn a decent team into a contender. It follows that taking him from the Pats would turn them from a contender to a decent team. No linemen or receiver or whatever you get for him aside from a few draft picks will change that.

[winsomme]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

  Ok, so if you can't draft a franchise qb whenever you want then it's obviously true that the Pats can't depend on drafting a franchise qb whenever they want. So you're trading Brady without any real expectation that you'll get a franchise qb back for him. So, in effect, you're going into rebuilding mode with a perennial contender, and you'll have to switch from a team based on Brady to a team that follows the Bears/Ravens model.

you do a lot less good of a job at making other people's arguments for them than you do for your own.

the real expectation depends on the details of the plan. like I mentioned, if BB likes a QB in this draft that changes the equation.

if he likes several QBs in the next draft with Luck being the prize, then you are gambling on Luck with others being your back up (assuming that is the draft you are targeting).

no part of any plan to trade Brady would be a total crapshoot (ie having no real expectations) in terms of how you would fill the QB position.

maybe the QB position is filled by a FA like Hasselbeck for a couple of years...there are too many scenarios to play them all out but just because they are not laid out here doesn't mean they don't or couldn't exist.

and again, I think you are neglecting how much you could actually get for Brady...

  Hoping that the team you trade Brady to falls completely apart so you have a chance at Luck is a complete crapshoot. Hoping that a qb draft pick that BB likes that's not a top pick turns into a franchise qb is also a crapshoot. The only guarantee is that the journeyman FA qb that you sign will be significantly worse than Brady. The team isn't getting as far as it is because of a dominant defense, and the players on the offense around Brady aren't so skilled that you can plug in any available qb and contend, so your current window is closing.

  I'm not underestimating what you can get for Brady but the reason you can get so much for him is that he can turn a decent team into a contender. It follows that taking him from the Pats would turn them from a contender to a decent team. No linemen or receiver or whatever you get for him aside from a few draft picks will change that.

Depends on how much that team needs to give up to get Brady...certainly the team trading for Brady will think they will turn their season around with him as their QB, the question is what BB thinks will happen to that said team (given they are unloading young talent and picks to get him).

I don't think it's a crapshoot to think you could turn Brady into at least one top 5 pick...maybe a gamble to get the #1 pick in the Luck draft, but not top 5...we could have had a #8 pick for Seymour...

BB would just have to find the right trade partner...a team desperate enough to get Brady...

plus is it a crapshoot to think that Mallett or Locker is a franchise QB if BB thinks it to be the case?

[BballTim]

I wonder why Denver never did this with Elway after all those years they didn't win the Super Bowl?

  Clearly a lack of foresight. It seems you can just draft another franchise qb whenever you want, kind of like superstar bigs in the nba.

maybe you should direct your sarcasm at my actual argument. who in this entire thread said that you can draft a franchise qb whenever you want...

it's a lot easier to be sarcastic towards arguments not being made.

  Ok, so if you can't draft a franchise qb whenever you want then it's obviously true that the Pats can't depend on drafting a franchise qb whenever they want. So you're trading Brady without any real expectation that you'll get a franchise qb back for him. So, in effect, you're going into rebuilding mode with a perennial contender, and you'll have to switch from a team based on Brady to a team that follows the Bears/Ravens model.

you do a lot less good of a job at making other people's arguments for them than you do for your own.

the real expectation depends on the details of the plan. like I mentioned, if BB likes a QB in this draft that changes the equation.

if he likes several QBs in the next draft with Luck being the prize, then you are gambling on Luck with others being your back up (assuming that is the draft you are targeting).

no part of any plan to trade Brady would be a total crapshoot (ie having no real expectations) in terms of how you would fill the QB position.

maybe the QB position is filled by a FA like Hasselbeck for a couple of years...there are too many scenarios to play them all out but just because they are not laid out here doesn't mean they don't or couldn't exist.

and again, I think you are neglecting how much you could actually get for Brady...

  Hoping that the team you trade Brady to falls completely apart so you have a chance at Luck is a complete crapshoot. Hoping that a qb draft pick that BB likes that's not a top pick turns into a franchise qb is also a crapshoot. The only guarantee is that the journeyman FA qb that you sign will be significantly worse than Brady. The team isn't getting as far as it is because of a dominant defense, and the players on the offense around Brady aren't so skilled that you can plug in any available qb and contend, so your current window is closing.

  I'm not underestimating what you can get for Brady but the reason you can get so much for him is that he can turn a decent team into a contender. It follows that taking him from the Pats would turn them from a contender to a decent team. No linemen or receiver or whatever you get for him aside from a few draft picks will change that.

Depends on how much that team needs to give up to get Brady...certainly the team trading for Brady will think they will turn their season around with him as their QB, the question is what BB thinks will happen to that said team (given they are unloading young talent and picks to get him).

I don't think it's a crapshoot to think you could turn Brady into at least one top 5 pick...maybe a gamble to get the #1 pick in the Luck draft, but not top 5...we could have had a #8 pick for Seymour...

  Of course it's a crapshoot to try and get a top 5 draft pick for Brady. That would mean that whatever team traded for him would end up winning 5 or less games with him being their qb. How can you guarantee that?

  And if BB could have had a #8 for Seymour and didn't he's losing his touch.

BB would just have to find the right trade partner...a team desperate enough to get Brady...

  Teams will trade for Brady if they expect to contend with him in the near term. It's like when Minny traded KG, the list of trade partners didn't really include any teams that would still be non-contenders with him.

plus is it a crapshoot to think that Mallett or Locker is a franchise QB if BB thinks it to be the case?

  Of course it's a crapshoot. Why wouldn't it be?