Stephen A Smith reports Sheed to come back for playoffs

[Drucci]

Stephen A Smith broke the news about Miami's Big Three last summer so he can be reliable. Please make it happen, it would be awesome!!

[MBz]

I really hope Sheed comes back for the last 10-15 regular season games and the postseason.  Sheed would definitely be more valuable than Harangody or Erden, especially in the playoffs.  When compared to Davis, I have the following:

Rebounding:  Sheed > Davis
Post Defense:  Sheed > Davis
Jump Shot:  Sheed > Davis
Protect Rim on pick and rolls:  Davs > Sheed (#11 takes charges)
Post Offense:  Sheed > Davis
Experience:  Sheed > Davis
Ability to Punish the HEAT:  Sheed > Davis

I therefore conclude that if they could get Sheed back, any one of Davis/Erden/Harangody is very expendable.  Since Davis has some value and is likely to leave for a bigger contract at the end of the year, I'd say trade Davis.

I have to disagree with a lot of this. The 28 year old Rasheed Wallace is absolutely better at those things.  The 36 year old Rasheed Wallace, not so much. At this point his career Davis is a better rebounder, especially on the offensive end.  Sheed's jump shot was extremely over-rated last year as he only shot 28% for 3's.  Post defense would go to Sheed just due to his length.  With all that being said, I don't think we can even compare Sheed to Davis.  At this stage in Wallace's career, he's a 5 and nothing more.  Davis is strictly a 4. He is also the only real back up 4 we have that I trust come playoff time.  Perkins and Shaq are 100% centers and will have no business covering opposing 4's.  The way Jermaine O'Neal looks his days of playing the 4 are over too.  If Perkins doesn't come back healthy or Shaq/Jermaine get hurt, sure maybe bringing Sheed in as a 5th big may be a good option.  If everyone is healthy though, he's the 4th center on this team.  No need to give people up to bring in a 4th center.

While I can definitely see your point about Sheed having trouble playing the '4' position, I disagree on rebounding.  Glen Davis is very much a subpar rebounder in this league.  Rasheed was partly injured in the playoffs yet still outplayed Glen, and it hasn't been that long since then.  If anything he should be rested and healthy, but I too am very skeptical about how "in shape" Rasheed is  

Glen Davis is a subpar rebounder, but Sheed is even worse.  Also, I have to disagree in saying Sheed outplayed Davis.  Sheed had about 3 good games in the playoffs, other than he was very inconsistent.  In the playoffs last year, Davis recorded 39 offensive boards and 70 defensive boards. Sheed recorded 5 offensive rebounds and 66 defensive rebounds.  This man is 6'11 and he couldn't get more than 5 offensive rebounds in 24 games on accident?

[Roy H.]

How would this work? Vet Min? Would it activate his prior contract?

I think his contract is still on the books, but I could be wrong. (Meaning, he'd come back and be paid the nearly $6.8 million remaining on his deal.)

Edit: Wallace was waived in August 2011. I can find no mention of a buyout arrangement, so that's why his full salary for this year is still on the books.

If he were to come back to another team, the Celtics would be able to reduce the money they owe him by a percentage of his new salary. Larry Coon does not mention what happens should a waived player return to the team that held his last contract.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q57

Rasheed was bought out (although there were no reports for how much; presumably it was a total buyout) and cleared waivers.  He's an unrestricted free agent, and his previous contract would not be reinstated. 

[Lucky17]

How would this work? Vet Min? Would it activate his prior contract?

I think his contract is still on the books, but I could be wrong. (Meaning, he'd come back and be paid the nearly $6.8 million remaining on his deal.)

Edit: Wallace was waived in August 2011. I can find no mention of a buyout arrangement, so that's why his full salary for this year is still on the books.

If he were to come back to another team, the Celtics would be able to reduce the money they owe him by a percentage of his new salary. Larry Coon does not mention what happens should a waived player return to the team that held his last contract.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q57

Rasheed was bought out (although there were no reports for how much; presumably it was a total buyout) and cleared waivers.  He's an unrestricted free agent, and his previous contract would not be reinstated.  

I need to start checking Shamsports more often than I do. Not sure why I continue to consult Hoopshype.

Thanks, Roy.

To answer the original question, then, the Celtics could only offer Rasheed the veteran minimum to come back.

[More Banners]

If we're interested in having the biggest, slowest, poorest rebounding, most foul-prone frontline in the playoffs, then the return of Sheed is surely a viable part of that plan.

Look, Shaq's already been practicing his "hard playoff foul on the opponent's best player" move, one of few left in his repertoire.  Miami's quickness and penetration would ensure they sweep a series with us on the foul line.

Stocking up on size doesn't seem to be making us a top rebounding team, either.

[jsingh1699]

are we assuming that for sure rasheed would wanna come back to the celtics? he also realizes how many bigs we have and how far in the depth chart he'd be.

wouldnt he rather wanna go to miami or orlando? both teams desperately need a backup big who can defend down low and miami would love a tall guy that can spread the floor. if he was coming back, it makes a lot more sense for him to go to one of those teams.

[Edgar]

are we assuming that for sure rasheed would wanna come back to the celtics? he also realizes how many bigs we have and how far in the depth chart he'd be.

wouldnt he rather wanna go to miami or orlando? both teams desperately need a backup big who can defend down low and miami would love a tall guy that can spread the floor. if he was coming back, it makes a lot more sense for him to go to one of those teams.

As stated by the author
hes not planning to comeback to just play
hes coming back for revenge

And for the little bashing hes receiving
He was a warrior during finals, so I know
he knows how to fight the fight when it matters

Make it happend Danny.

please.

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

Again, no one has been able to shed any light on the extent of Semih's shoulder injury.

What is the likelihood he'd be unavailable by the time the playoffs roll around, anyways?

If his injury requires surgery and rehab, how likely is it that he'll be back to play out that last year on his contract next year?

Also, BTW, Erden is owed less than $500K this year, and less than $800K next year. I have no doubt that Wyc would be willing to eat that contract if the roster could be improved by doing so.

Erden's shoulder will eventually require surgery, and they've described it as similar to Perk's shoulder injury a few years back, something which took an offseason to take care of.  It's something you can play through indefinitely if you take the pain.

The original plan was to get Erden's surgery out of the way during 2nd half of the season, so they could get the surgery and rehab underway before the lockout disrupts the communication between the team and Erden.  With JO and Shaq's injury problems, that idea was shelved.

Semih will not be released to create room for Sheed--not only has DA never worked that way, the Cs think they have good value in Erden and won't let him go for nothing.  If anything, they'll make a trade to open up a roster spot.  Even a stiff like POB had enough value to get traded and open up a roster spot, and it will be easy to do the same with someone with more value.  

If you want to talk economics, Wafer and West's deal represent less money overall (because they only extend to the end of the year) and so if it was a question of luxury tax savings than Wafer would be the one to go.  There is absolutely zero credence to the idea of cutting Erden (or Gody for that matter)--it just isn't the way the Cs have traditionally done business.

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As for the Sheed v. Baby debate: when everyone was healthy last season during the playoffs Baby and Perk were Doc's preferred closing options at center.  Even granting that Sheed did 'turn it on' during the playoffs, he still wasn't playing crunch time minutes.  With a year layoff and lots of rust, Sheed's nothing more than a 5-10 minute a night player--and we've already got JO to fill that's relatively unimportant role.  This is just not happening unless there's a major injury to Shaq/JO/Perk/KG/Baby....

[ManUp]

I hope it's not true. I don't trust Sheed to spend the offseason and midseason to get into shape. He was washed up last year and I can't see him getting better after missing half a season.

[Lucky17]

Again, no one has been able to shed any light on the extent of Semih's shoulder injury.

What is the likelihood he'd be unavailable by the time the playoffs roll around, anyways?

If his injury requires surgery and rehab, how likely is it that he'll be back to play out that last year on his contract next year?

Also, BTW, Erden is owed less than $500K this year, and less than $800K next year. I have no doubt that Wyc would be willing to eat that contract if the roster could be improved by doing so.

Erden's shoulder will eventually require surgery, and they've described it as similar to Perk's shoulder injury a few years back, something which took an offseason to take care of.  It's something you can play through indefinitely if you take the pain.

The original plan was to get Erden's surgery out of the way during 2nd half of the season, so they could get the surgery and rehab underway before the lockout disrupts the communication between the team and Erden.  With JO and Shaq's injury problems, that idea was shelved.

Semih will not be released to create room for Sheed--not only has DA never worked that way, the Cs think they have good value in Erden and won't let him go for nothing.  If anything, they'll make a trade to open up a roster spot.  Even a stiff like POB had enough value to get traded and open up a roster spot, and it will be easy to do the same with someone with more value.  

If you want to talk economics, Wafer and West's deal represent less money overall (because they only extend to the end of the year) and so if it was a question of luxury tax savings than Wafer would be the one to go.  There is absolutely zero credence to the idea of cutting Erden (or Gody for that matter)--it just isn't the way the Cs have traditionally done business.

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As for the Sheed v. Baby debate: when everyone was healthy last season during the playoffs Baby and Perk were Doc's preferred closing options at center.  Even granting that Sheed did 'turn it on' during the playoffs, he still wasn't playing crunch time minutes.  With a year layoff and lots of rust, Sheed's nothing more than a 5-10 minute a night player--and we've already got JO to fill that's relatively unimportant role.  This is just not happening unless there's a major injury to Shaq/JO/Perk/KG/Baby....

Thanks for being the first person to shed some light on the Erden injury. Do you have any links? If Erden's injury is similar to Perkins' from a few years back, then he may be playing on borrowed time; I recall hearing back then that a dislocation of such a structurally weak shoulder could end a player's season, if not career.

I seem to recall Brandon Wallace was waived just months after signing a two-year contract, although I can't recall how much of it was guaranteed. P.J. Brown was signed about two months afterwards, although there's not necessarily any cause and effect there.

But Wyc has also often added cash to minor deals (e.g. Cassell to the Kings, buying Bill Walker's rights from the Wizards), and the amount involved with Erden's contract for this year and next aren't greater than cash amounts that have been utilized in the past to finalize deals.

Wafer and West's deals are now fully guaranteed, I think. Waiving them provides no relief to the club.

I do agree that Erden, having shown some promise during the first 20 games of the season, could probably net some kind of a return in a trade. So a release would probably be a last resort, and one probably not taken.

[Fafnir]

The C's could save money by trading Erden to a team with cap space to sign Rasheed because the C's are paying a dollar to dollar luxury tax bill on all additional salary.

Of course getting traded to the Kings for a conditional second round pick isn't all that different from being cut. In my book its worse, no chance to shop yourself to a larger market of teams.

[aporel#18]

are we assuming that for sure rasheed would wanna come back to the celtics? he also realizes how many bigs we have and how far in the depth chart he'd be.

wouldnt he rather wanna go to miami or orlando? both teams desperately need a backup big who can defend down low and miami would love a tall guy that can spread the floor. if he was coming back, it makes a lot more sense for him to go to one of those teams.

As stated by the author
hes not planning to comeback to just play
hes coming back for revenge

And for the little bashing hes receiving
He was a warrior during finals, so I know
he knows how to fight the fight when it matters

Make it happend Danny.

please.

TP, Edgar.

He was a warrior during finals and also vs. all kinds of elbows during 2nd and 3rd rounds.

I'd love to see him on the roster celebrating #18

[angryguy77]

It couldnt hurt could it? what if Perk isnt ready to go or if kg is not ready(who knows with this team)?

what is the worst he could do? he did play well with a hurt back in teh finals imo, so why not take the shot.

He's either going to help us, or sit.

[winsomme]

I'm not looking to trade Baby. I think his intensity is a big boost off the bench, but I would be more willing to consider trades if Sheed was coming back.

I'd love to get a defensive SF that can knock down threes...

[anthony83]

I know Sheed is going to return, he wants to return, especially when the postseason arrives.
Sheed We need to beat Miami, Orlando, Lakers ... we do not know how they will be injuries, with Sheed, we have another man in the paint and a three-point specialist.
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