Nets trying to acquire Rip Hamilton, Billups and Melo in a 3 way deal ( rumor )

[Who]

Wow -- a 15 player deal -- not sure I've ever heard of this many involved in 1 trade.

I think it is a new record.

The old one was the Antoine Walker + Jason Williams + James Posey to Miami trade ... I think that was 13 players.

[Moranis]

I cant believe Dallas hasnt tried to steal Carmello, or at least try and get in on this deal somehow.

Dallas doesn't have any young talent comparable to Favors and Harris combined to trade for Melo with.

True, but they could easily be the third team involved in the trade.

[Moranis]

Looks like Denver wants to unload Harrington in the trade.  NJ is balking, but I think they need to bring him in so they have someone that can actually play some PF for them.

Also, Denver is apparently upset that NJ keeps leaking the trade particulars and has threatened to trade Melo to the Knicks for spite, which is just ridiculous if true and pretty much encourages Melo to leak details and make it look like NJ is the one doing it.

[StartOrien]

With all the tenative Billups talk, I wonder if Moranis' trade idea will come true and Steve Nash will start to become apart of the conversation.

[indeedproceed]

Looks like Denver wants to unload Harrington in the trade.  NJ is balking, but I think they need to bring him in so they have someone that can actually play some PF for them.

Also, Denver is apparently upset that NJ keeps leaking the trade particulars and has threatened to trade Melo to the Knicks for spite, which is just ridiculous if true and pretty much encourages Melo to leak details and make it look like NJ is the one doing it.

Yeah this needs a resolution immediately.

Masai Ujiri is showing how green he is right now. This is his first full time gm gig and he's behaving like a bit of a child...either that or management doesn't trust him to make the right deal, so they keep on putting new demands on him. First it was "move Melo and Billups and get 5 draft picks"...then it was "they'll take Billups too? Move Al Harrington also, then!"

[Snakehead]

I don't think anything will happen for a while.  Denver says, and this seems likely, that the Nets leaked the details of the trade to create pressure on Denver to rush to make this deal.  This is something that won't make them happy.

Now Denver keeps pushing the envelope and Melo doesn't seem like he is in a rush to go to NJ and sign an extension.  Plus all the Billups drama, he didn't even practice because he was apparently "sick".  Even Melo was there, and he appologized and was sorry for Billups being involved in all this.

I think this gets put on the back burner for a while.  Still a long way to the deadline and the distraction will be there for Denver, but I don't think the deal as is will go down.  Melo is not dumb and with the current deal it doesn't seem like the Net's future will be all that bright, despite him being there.  Their cap room won't be great or anything.

Looks like Denver wants to unload Harrington in the trade.  NJ is balking, but I think they need to bring him in so they have someone that can actually play some PF for them.

Also, Denver is apparently upset that NJ keeps leaking the trade particulars and has threatened to trade Melo to the Knicks for spite, which is just ridiculous if true and pretty much encourages Melo to leak details and make it look like NJ is the one doing it.

Yeah this needs a resolution immediately.

Masai Ujiri is showing how green he is right now. This is his first full time gm gig and he's behaving like a bit of a child...either that or management doesn't trust him to make the right deal, so they keep on putting new demands on him. First it was "move Melo and Billups and get 5 draft picks"...then it was "they'll take Billups too? Move Al Harrington also, then!"

I'm not sure why Ujiri gets the child label.  He should be trying to get the most out of the trade deal and he holds all the leverage.  Seems like he is doing his job.  The Nets seemed to have leaked the deal to pressure it to happen, so I can't blame him for upping the cost now.  That revereses the pressure on the Nets.

Denver should not rush this deal, they should get the most they can.  The Nets have no leverage.  The leak seems like an attempt to gain leverage.

[StartOrien]

Ya, I really feel bad for Denver for having to deal with the pressure of an absolute gift of a trade offer.

[Snakehead]

Ya, I really feel bad for Denver for having to deal with the pressure of an absolute gift of a trade offer.

Not sure who that was aimed at, but again I'll just say the GM of Denver is doing his job to get the best haul.  Can't blame him for that.  The Denver season has been kind of a mess and there are distractions but they have all the leverage and should push the envelope to get a better deal from NJ if possible.  Not like they are contending this year, they are going into a rebuilding mode so they don't have a reason to rush.

The leak is an attempt to pressure them into the trade as is, and if they liked it enough it would have already probably happend.

[StartOrien]

Ya, I really feel bad for Denver for having to deal with the pressure of an absolute gift of a trade offer.

Not sure who that was aimed at, but again I'll just say the GM of Denver is doing his job to get the best haul.  Can't blame him for that.  The Denver season has been kind of a mess and there are distractions but they have all the leverage and should push the envelope to get a better deal from NJ if possible.  Not like they are contending this year, they are going into a rebuilding mode so they don't have a reason to rush.

The leak is an attempt to pressure them into the trade as is, and if they liked it enough it would have already probably happend.

It was aimed in continuum of IP's previous comments, which I do agree with.

He's getting the child label for a few reasons. I think he's playing w/ fire when it comes to this trade. He's getting an absolute layup of an offer; the Nuggets are the clear winner of this proposed trade IMO. They're getting a ton of value for a guy who has made it clear he has no intentions to resign with the team, and they're also taking what becomes a bad contract in Billups off their hands.

In addition, he's clearly leaking this 'I'll trade them to the Knicks!' story, which is just downright silly. What's the best package that team could offer? Curry, Gallinari and an I.O.U?

[pearljammer10]

Ya, I really feel bad for Denver for having to deal with the pressure of an absolute gift of a trade offer.

Not sure who that was aimed at, but again I'll just say the GM of Denver is doing his job to get the best haul.  Can't blame him for that.  The Denver season has been kind of a mess and there are distractions but they have all the leverage and should push the envelope to get a better deal from NJ if possible.  Not like they are contending this year, they are going into a rebuilding mode so they don't have a reason to rush.

The leak is an attempt to pressure them into the trade as is, and if they liked it enough it would have already probably happend.

Yeah I dont know who this is aimed at either... You do realize they are giving up one of the top 5 players in the league right?

[wdleehi]

Why would you rush if you are Denver?


Give other teams a chance to find ways to sweeten deals.  


It is NJ that feels the pressure.  They are the ones that need it done soon so:

1) they have enough time to make a strong run at getting in the playoffs.

2) to prevent someone else swooping in and stealing him.




Someone will trade for Melo.  This offer is not going to be taken off the table by NJ.  

[indeedproceed]

Yeah this needs a resolution immediately.

Masai Ujiri is showing how green he is right now. This is his first full time gm gig and he's behaving like a bit of a child...either that or management doesn't trust him to make the right deal, so they keep on putting new demands on him. First it was "move Melo and Billups and get 5 draft picks"...then it was "they'll take Billups too? Move Al Harrington also, then!"

I'm not sure why Ujiri gets the child label.  He should be trying to get the most out of the trade deal and he holds all the leverage.  Seems like he is doing his job.  The Nets seemed to have leaked the deal to pressure it to happen, so I can't blame him for upping the cost now.  That revereses the pressure on the Nets.

Denver should not rush this deal, they should get the most they can.  The Nets have no leverage.

At some point there needs to be a breaking point. If you sit there and tell someone a deal is good (like it sounds the Nuggets did), then ask for more after Billy King goes out of his way to make it happen, then you're creating bad karma.

It would be nice to think that the NBA is made up of professional managers that don't hold grudges, but its an old boys club. If Masai Ujiri gets a rap for being difficult and a pain to work with because of this, it'll set the Nuggets back. After this deal, the Nuggets will be in the same place that the OKC were. They'll have a lottery pick that they think will be something special (Derrick Favors), they'll have a young pg (Ty Lawson), they'll have a ton of draft picks, and they'll lose a ton of games for the next 2 years.

But, Sam Presti made and continues to make awesome deals for OKC, and you never hear too much about them before they're done. He runs a tight ship, he knows what he wants, and he doesn't waiver or flirt in public. WHen he made up his mind that Seattle needed to blow it up, he made the Ray Allen deal for Jeff Green, Wally, and the #5 (or was it 6?), and that was that. People continue to work with Sam Presti because he makes deals in a professional manner. If he thinks the deal is good, he makes it. If he thinks it isn't, we never hear about it.
 
Masai Ujiri needs to either stop negotiations until the deadline, or make the deal. But he needs to not second guess whether or not he's getting the best deal and have some confidence in himself, because the worst case scenario (which is very real) is that Carmelo, Billy King, and everyone is just sick of it and Melo takes the best deal the Knicks can offer him in the offseason, and the best that Denver ends up with is a trade exception.

[StartOrien]

Ya, I really feel bad for Denver for having to deal with the pressure of an absolute gift of a trade offer.

Not sure who that was aimed at, but again I'll just say the GM of Denver is doing his job to get the best haul.  Can't blame him for that.  The Denver season has been kind of a mess and there are distractions but they have all the leverage and should push the envelope to get a better deal from NJ if possible.  Not like they are contending this year, they are going into a rebuilding mode so they don't have a reason to rush.

The leak is an attempt to pressure them into the trade as is, and if they liked it enough it would have already probably happend.

Yeah I dont know who this is aimed at either... You do realize they are giving up one of the top 5 players in the league right?

There is no way that Carmelo Anthony is a top 5 talent, and he's probably not top a top 10 player either.

He's also made it explicitly clear that he's not returning ot them. Denver has all the pressure, they've got to get something for him before the trade deadline, and the Knicks can't offer half the package the Nets can. They're silly to keep scratching.

[StartOrien]

Masai Ujiri needs to either stop negotiations until the deadline, or make the deal. But he needs to not second guess whether or not he's getting the best deal and have some confidence in himself, because the worst case scenario (which is very real) is that Carmelo, Billy King, and everyone is just sick of it and Melo takes the best deal the Knicks can offer him in the offseason, and the best that Denver ends up with is a trade exception.

Or similar to the "new" NBA model, Carmelo gets someone to tell the Nets that if they trade for Rip Hamilton he'll still sign there in the offseason.

[Snakehead]

Why would you rush if you are Denver?


Give other teams a chance to find ways to sweeten deals.  


It is NJ that feels the pressure.  They are the ones that need it done soon so:

1) they have enough time to make a strong run at getting in the playoffs.

2) to prevent someone else swooping in and stealing him.




Someone will trade for Melo.  This offer is not going to be taken off the table by NJ.  

I agree with this exactly.  I think Denver can keep pushing and the Nets will just grin and bear it because they have no leverage.  If they don't get Melo there will be a lot of problems with that team going forward.  They need some hope and promise to go along with the Brooklyn move, or it might not happen when it's supposed to or ever.

Yeah this needs a resolution immediately.

Masai Ujiri is showing how green he is right now. This is his first full time gm gig and he's behaving like a bit of a child...either that or management doesn't trust him to make the right deal, so they keep on putting new demands on him. First it was "move Melo and Billups and get 5 draft picks"...then it was "they'll take Billups too? Move Al Harrington also, then!"

I'm not sure why Ujiri gets the child label.  He should be trying to get the most out of the trade deal and he holds all the leverage.  Seems like he is doing his job.  The Nets seemed to have leaked the deal to pressure it to happen, so I can't blame him for upping the cost now.  That revereses the pressure on the Nets.

Denver should not rush this deal, they should get the most they can.  The Nets have no leverage.

At some point there needs to be a breaking point. If you sit there and tell someone a deal is good (like it sounds the Nuggets did), then ask for more after Billy King goes out of his way to make it happen, then you're creating bad karma.
 
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Masai Ujiri needs to either stop negotiations until the deadline, or make the deal. But he needs to not second guess whether or not he's getting the best deal and have some confidence in himself, because the worst case scenario (which is very real) is that Carmelo, Billy King, and everyone is just sick of it and Melo takes the best deal the Knicks can offer him in the offseason, and the best that Denver ends up with is a trade exception.

I don't know what the Nuggets said about it and I still can't blame them for looking for more.  There is no guarentee on draft picks or Favors and Melo is one of the best players in the league.  I still think the GM should push for the best deal because all the pressure is on NJ to get Melo.

I think Melo gets moved and doesn't sign an extension where he goes at worst if New Jeersey doesn't get involved.  Maybe Dallas scoops him up to make a run.  But you could be right.  I just don't think there is any chance New Jersey retracts their current deal, even if Denver pushes for more.