Nets trying to acquire Rip Hamilton, Billups and Melo in a 3 way deal ( rumor )

[StartOrien]

I think you're giving New Jersey too much time to think about how badly they're overpaying.

I don't think there's a team out there that could beat Denver offering Favors, Murphy and a first.

[indeedproceed]

At some point there needs to be a breaking point. If you sit there and tell someone a deal is good (like it sounds the Nuggets did), then ask for more after Billy King goes out of his way to make it happen, then you're creating bad karma.
 
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Masai Ujiri needs to either stop negotiations until the deadline, or make the deal. But he needs to not second guess whether or not he's getting the best deal and have some confidence in himself, because the worst case scenario (which is very real) is that Carmelo, Billy King, and everyone is just sick of it and Melo takes the best deal the Knicks can offer him in the offseason, and the best that Denver ends up with is a trade exception.

I don't know what the Nuggets said about it and I still can't blame them for looking for more.  There is no guarentee on draft picks or Favors and Melo is one of the best players in the league.  I still think the GM should push for the best deal because all the pressure is on NJ to get Melo.

I think Melo gets moved and doesn't sign an extension where he goes at worst if New Jeersey doesn't get involved.  Maybe Dallas scoops him up to make a run.  But you could be right.  I just don't think there is any chance New Jersey retracts their current deal, even if Denver pushes for more.

I think Denver trying to get the most for Anthony they can is admirable, but leading teams to think you've got a done deal, or at least one that won't change, then demand more, is very very stupid.

New Jersey is not in the worst position in the world either. They've got draft picks, they've got a player they love in favors, and they've got Devin Harris and Brook Lopez. The only player on their roster that will be there in 2 years that is over 25 is Devin Harris. If they wash their hands of Anthony and decide he's not worth blowing up their entire team, and that it is better to build through the draft, then Denver just lost out on the best haul they're going to get.

Also, if New Jersey drops out of this deal, then the other offers out there will drop, and Denver's position will become significantly weaker.

You say the pressure is on New Jersey, but if you beleive that the package around Favors, Harris, and a couple of draft picks is the best deal out there, then they're fundamentally bidding against themselves if they add in Billups or Harrington.

[wdleehi]

I think you're giving New Jersey too much time to think about how badly they're overpaying.

I don't think there's a team out there that could beat Denver offering Favors, Murphy and a first.

Who else are they going to go get?


This team wants to make a splash.  They want to be big time players. 

[StartOrien]

I think you're giving New Jersey too much time to think about how badly they're overpaying.

I don't think there's a team out there that could beat Denver offering Favors, Murphy and a first.

Who else are they going to go get?


This team wants to make a splash.  They want to be big time players.  

If I'm the Nets, I roll the dice and take this into the summer.

[Fafnir]

I think you're giving New Jersey too much time to think about how badly they're overpaying.

I don't think there's a team out there that could beat Denver offering Favors, Murphy and a first.

Who else are they going to go get?


This team wants to make a splash.  They want to be big time players.  

If I'm the Nets, I roll the dice and take this into the summer.

What do they gain by waiting till summer?

[StartOrien]

It's not what they gain, but what they don't lose: They hold onto Derrick Favors and 2 first round picks.

[Lucky17]

It's not what they gain, but what they don't lose: They hold onto Derrick Favors and 2 first round picks.

And Devin Harris. And quite a bit of cap room, enough perhaps to bring in a max contract free agent.

[Fafnir]

Waiting till the summer is the equivalent on passing on Melo, you aren't signing him in FA.

So its not waiting, its deciding to stop pursuing Melo.

[StartOrien]

Waiting till the summer is the equivalent on passing on Melo, you aren't signing him in FA.

So its not waiting, its deciding to stop pursuing Melo.

Do you say that b/c of the message it sends, or just b/c you think its a forgone conclusion he goes to the Knicks if he goes into the summer.

[indeedproceed]

Waiting till the summer is the equivalent on passing on Melo, you aren't signing him in FA.

So its not waiting, its deciding to stop pursuing Melo.

Do you say that b/c of the message it sends, or just b/c you think its a forgone conclusion he goes to the Knicks if he goes into the summer.

I don't think anyone believes Melo will go anywhere besides NY if he is not traded before the offseason.

Course, everyone thought LeBron was going to NY too.

[StartOrien]

Waiting till the summer is the equivalent on passing on Melo, you aren't signing him in FA.

So its not waiting, its deciding to stop pursuing Melo.

Do you say that b/c of the message it sends, or just b/c you think its a forgone conclusion he goes to the Knicks if he goes into the summer.

I don't think anyone believes Melo will go anywhere besides NY if he is not traded before the offseason.

Course, everyone thought LeBron was going to NY too.

I've said it before, but I think if this goes to free agency the Nets make a real hard push for Chris Paul. With the Hornets at 22-16, CP3 might be getting a little antsy and the Nets have Harris and all of those draft picks to offer.

Without Paul, I think the Nets still have an attractive offer. With him, they can't lose.

[indeedproceed]

Waiting till the summer is the equivalent on passing on Melo, you aren't signing him in FA.

So its not waiting, its deciding to stop pursuing Melo.

Do you say that b/c of the message it sends, or just b/c you think its a forgone conclusion he goes to the Knicks if he goes into the summer.

I don't think anyone believes Melo will go anywhere besides NY if he is not traded before the offseason.

Course, everyone thought LeBron was going to NY too.

I've said it before, but I think if this goes to free agency the Nets make a real hard push for Chris Paul. With the Hornets at 22-16, CP3 might be getting a little antsy and the Nets have Harris and all of those draft picks to offer.

Without Paul, I think the Nets still have an attractive offer. With him, they can't lose.

I just don't see how the Hornets trading CP3 before the expiration of the current CBA is feasible. They have an ownership/possible relocation situation that needs to be resolved, and on top of that, CP3 would need to demand a trade, rather than just 'be traded'.

[Lucky17]

Waiting till the summer is the equivalent on passing on Melo, you aren't signing him in FA.

So its not waiting, its deciding to stop pursuing Melo.

Do you say that b/c of the message it sends, or just b/c you think its a forgone conclusion he goes to the Knicks if he goes into the summer.

I don't think anyone believes Melo will go anywhere besides NY if he is not traded before the offseason.

Course, everyone thought LeBron was going to NY too.

I've said it before, but I think if this goes to free agency the Nets make a real hard push for Chris Paul. With the Hornets at 22-16, CP3 might be getting a little antsy and the Nets have Harris and all of those draft picks to offer.

Without Paul, I think the Nets still have an attractive offer. With him, they can't lose.

I just don't see how the Hornets trading CP3 before the expiration of the current CBA is feasible. They have an ownership/possible relocation situation that needs to be resolved, and on top of that, CP3 would need to demand a trade, rather than just 'be traded'.

Even more so now that Stern, et al are running the Hornets. They won't trade the franchise player.

[indeedproceed]

Waiting till the summer is the equivalent on passing on Melo, you aren't signing him in FA.

So its not waiting, its deciding to stop pursuing Melo.

Do you say that b/c of the message it sends, or just b/c you think its a forgone conclusion he goes to the Knicks if he goes into the summer.

I don't think anyone believes Melo will go anywhere besides NY if he is not traded before the offseason.

Course, everyone thought LeBron was going to NY too.

I've said it before, but I think if this goes to free agency the Nets make a real hard push for Chris Paul. With the Hornets at 22-16, CP3 might be getting a little antsy and the Nets have Harris and all of those draft picks to offer.

Without Paul, I think the Nets still have an attractive offer. With him, they can't lose.

I just don't see how the Hornets trading CP3 before the expiration of the current CBA is feasible. They have an ownership/possible relocation situation that needs to be resolved, and on top of that, CP3 would need to demand a trade, rather than just 'be traded'.

Even more so now that Stern, et al are running the Hornets. They won't trade the franchise player.

Yes, that too.

Side Note: That is actually where my response started, but then a customer walked in, I got a phone call, I checked my email, another customer walked in, and an ambulance went by outside, so pretty much I lost my initial point completely because I kept walking away from the post. Don't you just hate that?

[StartOrien]

Completely forgot about state of New Orleans ownership.