Enter the era of the superloser

[pearljammer10]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

Exactly. Just because they run into teams that are better than they are doesnt mean they are "superlosers".

[nba is the worst]

Advanced basketball philosophy

Thank you Lebron

So I think this week Melo said he wouldn't sign an extension unless he goes to NY

Then I read something today where D Howard says he has interest in the Lakers.


In the past we had great players that didn't get rings...guys like Barkley, Malone. and Ewing

and people were like.....they're kinda losers. Never got a ring.  But at least they had the excuse they ran into MJ

But we could easily get a future of Hall of Fame candidates with no rings despite always being on loaded teams... and what will be their excuse?  They won't have one.  They will beeeeee......drum rollllllll..... SUPERLOSERS!

Melo....imported Iverson for him...then played with Billups and Nene...couldn't cut it...left to play with Amare.


Amare played with Steve Nash and other good players....couldn't cut it...ran to NY

Lebron and Bosh

D Howard....couldn't do it with Vince, R Lewis, H Turk, J Nelson....runs to LA


Chris Paul? 


I am telling you.  The era of the superloser is upon us.

Nice take, tp

[nba is the worst]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

TP.

This is the reason why the significance of championships can be overrated unless you are talking GOAT. It is a great tie-breaker for GOAT contenders since they should be expected to regularly take over games in ways that Melo or Ewing can't (though I am hesitant to mention Melo in the same sentence as Ewing at this point).

I agree - but this is the main reason why I hate the longevity of Kobe and team success of the Lakers putting him into a GOAT conversation for many people.

The next time Kobe takes over a Finals game will be the first time...

[nba is the worst]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

I join in your Booing.  I wouldn't want to lose if I was a professional basketball player, and if you're at the whims of others (coaches, players, execs, fans, the Draft Lottery, etc) and you have a limited window in which you can play professional ball, you should make the most of it.  If that means moving, so be it. KG and Ray left to come to a winner.  Could you blame Dwight Howard for wanting to leave after the awful trades that were just pulled in Orlando that will doom the team for years financially and still leave it unable to win a ring? Was  Roy's time patiently waiting for Portland to develop and get healthy to become a great team around him worth it now that his precious time as a star player may be over?  Get over it people, really. Just sounds bitter now.  Especially this assumption for Howard, since it is not a quote but a rumor, and also seems totally impossible from a Laker standpoint.

I'd love it if one of you quit your job or got a new job for better pay, a better location, your own well being, the interests of your family, etc. and one of these players called you all the deregatory words you call them.  It's really pathetic.  Get off your pious thrones.

Well wait a second. If I'm the CEO of a company doing poorly and then I join another company and they have good executive officers and that company does poorly as well....then I will definitely start to get a reputation as a poor officer. People's work history definitely follows them.

Also if you get recruited to a company and you say "I'm going to really help this company" and then within a short time you leave having done nothing good for that company or leaving it in a precarious position you will definitely make no friends at that company.

Why is Lebron somehow excused from that? 

Some of these guys are going to end up as the Dan Marinos of their era...only it will be like if Marino were also throwing to great receivers and had a great line and a great running back.....if Dan Marino had all that and STILL no rings....then he's not just Dan Marino any more.....now he LEGEND Dan Marino.....if Lebron wins no rings.....he's not just going to be a loser.....he'll be a superloser.    It's the risk he took.

By doing poorly do you mean the CEO put the company on his back for 7 years and got them to the "Corporation Finals" when they had no business being there because the rest of the company was garbage?  You think 7 years is a "short time"?  And brought the company unprecedented success they had never known?  And was the best CEO of all CEOs for two years in a row and by far the best employee the company ever had? And he put up some of the best numbers any CEO has ever put up in those first seven years? Wow that's some failure. 

And by his new company doing poorly, do you mean 21-9, first in their division, and currently 2nd in the East to a team that went to the Finals last year (US)?  And they are going to get better as the year goes on? I wish I failed like that.

But seriously, breaking down this whole thing lets also acknowledge LBJ was DRAFTED and did not have a choice where he went.  He doesn't owe Cleveland anything, it's not like they went out of their way where others would not.  Everyone wanted him.



And your saying he took a risk, great, who cares?  He shouldn't be walking on eggshells worrying about what people say, he should find the best situation for him where he has the best chance of winning.  And if there is a lot of pressure to win and he still went, seems like he wants to win first and foremost and he welcomes the pressure.



and good post dpaps, TP to you.

If he shouldn't worry about what people say then stop making "Please feel sorry for me. Woops I made a mistake. Woops did I really ruin my legacy? "(Of course he did. Stop asking stupid questions) commercials.


Here's another question.  Did this greatest employee the company ever had quit on them?  Was he like nowhere to be found in crunch time?   Doesn't he owe his best effort when he actually is under contract? 

In the business world when an employee acts the way in which he did there are legal consequences.

Granted they don't draft in the real world yadda yadda

Throwing "yadda yadda" in definitely adds validity to your argument.  That's usually how I know someone has a compelling argument, I look for "yadda yadda" in it...


Anyways, I don't want to debate the commercial but you're not even close to what he was saying.  It was just about expectations others put on him, he does not feel he made a mistake at all.  Why would he care if you hate him?  He plays for a better team with his friends in a better city... I'm sure you aren't keeping him up at night. 

I think it's funny people are so worried about his "brand" and "legacy"... why?  I thought we were sports fans?  You sound like a marketing firm.  He hasn't even stopped playing, you don't talk about someones legacy till after they played, and if you are ever worried about someones "brand" you need to seriously find something else to do with your time and reconnect with the real world.

He didn't quit we beat him.  Maybe he quit by the end but that was because we played some of the best defense the NBA has ever seen and the rest of his teamates were ghosts out there.  As proof of LBJ's usual clutchness, I'll again cite a stat that shows him as by far the most productive player in the last moments of games last season http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM.  If you have any stats or facts that prove your point instead of just saying "he quit" let me know.

And there are no consequences for leaving when you are not under contract and are a free agent actually.  That's how it works.

note that those 82games.com stats exclude the postseason, which is when the games count for fans of "winning"...

As far as "stats or facts that prove" he quit in games 3-6 vs the Celtics, the obvious drop in his "normal playoff effort" can't be overstated, despite how completely ignored it is by his defenders. 

Compare his stats from games 1-3 to games 4-6 and it's convincing to all but his defenders (and many Celtics fans who feel that admitting as much denigrates the Celtics)...

[Redz]

It's really difficult to try and make "real life" parallels to the "job" of being a professional athlete.

[action781]

A better example for Lebron would be that he's the top student out of the top grad school in the country, he signs a contract with a struggling firm for a set amount of years. He then takes the firm near the top of the industry and makes the owners millions and millions and millions of dollars and lots of fame and fortune. The company is always near the top of the industry but cant quite reach the peak. Maybe a very very successful search engine that is incredibly profitable but can't quite get past Google. When his contract is up, he decides that he misses his friends and isn't happy stuck in the same firm in the same area of the midwest that he's lived in his whole life. After finishing his contract, he gets an offer from a better firm in a bigger better city where his 2 best friends currently work. Do you really blame him for leaving? Do you call this person all kinds of terrible names? I think everyone here would do the same.

Again, I'm not backing the Decision and the way he went about this whole situation, but I have no problem whatsoever in the fact that he left Cleveland.

Did he promise this company that he would stay with the company until they became the #1 company in the world... then abandon them without even giving 2 weeks notice?

Did the company do everything he asked in terms of overpaying in millions of dollars on silly things (Jamison, Varejao) to keep him around... then leave the company with these ridiculously priced things that aren't compatible without him?

If he did that, then yeah, I think the company would have a little negative sentiment towards the employee.

[Eja117]

Carson Palmer wants a trade only a season after they went out to get TO to help him at great risk trying to pair him with Chad OC.

The superloser phenomenon is spreading to football

[PosImpos]

Carson Palmer wants a trade only a season after they went out to get TO to help him at great risk trying to pair him with Chad OC.

The superloser phenomenon is spreading to football

Carson Palmer is no longer "super" anything.

[Mike-Dub]

Probly shouldn't have brought this up.

[Phil125]

Once Kobe and the C's retire the NBA will head into a darkage.

[indeedproceed]

Carson Palmer wants a trade only a season after they went out to get TO to help him at great risk trying to pair him with Chad OC.

The superloser phenomenon is spreading to football

Carson Palmer is no longer "super" anything.

Before his injury he was a different player. Since his injury he's like an angry woman with an awesome arm and facial hair. Used to be a fan.

[Eja117]

Jalen Rose. Superloser. Granted somewhat of a different kind

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Jalen-Rose-pulled-off-the-air-by-ESPN-for-DUI-co?urn=nba-wp800