Enter the era of the superloser

[Eja117]

Advanced basketball philosophy

Thank you Lebron

So I think this week Melo said he wouldn't sign an extension unless he goes to NY

Then I read something today where D Howard says he has interest in the Lakers.


In the past we had great players that didn't get rings...guys like Barkley, Malone. and Ewing

and people were like.....they're kinda losers. Never got a ring.  But at least they had the excuse they ran into MJ

But we could easily get a future of Hall of Fame candidates with no rings despite always being on loaded teams... and what will be their excuse?  They won't have one.  They will beeeeee......drum rollllllll..... SUPERLOSERS!

Melo....imported Iverson for him...then played with Billups and Nene...couldn't cut it...left to play with Amare.


Amare played with Steve Nash and other good players....couldn't cut it...ran to NY

Lebron and Bosh

D Howard....couldn't do it with Vince, R Lewis, H Turk, J Nelson....runs to LA


Chris Paul? 


I am telling you.  The era of the superloser is upon us.

[Celtic#9]

First off, like half of the trades never happened and may never happen. Also, Dwight Howard didnt exactly have a loaded team. VC and Lewis are old and washed up. Hedo is terrible now. Nelson is pretty solid. It is way to early to say these players need to find an excuse thy haven't won a ring yet. They have years ahead of them. I would be more worried about the older guys like Dirk, Nash, T-Mac ect. However, I do agree that the number of young superstars getting together is starting to get rediculous and kind of annoying.

[dpaps]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

[Rondo_is_better]

More of the... "good players changing teams" era.

Howard hasn't and probably won't go anywhere.

Bosh is actually terrible, so what he does/did is inconsequential.

 Chris Paul probably won't leave for a little while since he said "get good or trade me" and they got good. ish.

Amare was on a mediocre team going nowhere and left to become the only legit superstar on the Knicks. What he did was accept a challenge, not flee.

The only one's who's a real... other word for cat... is Lebron.

[apc]

who is the source behind "Howard want to go to the Lakers". is this coming from a reliable source?

[Roy H.]

The era is a long way from being over.  Who is going to win the championships, especially as the Celtics and Lakers get older and eventually fade?  Unless Durant really steps up his game, it's going to be those aforementioned stars.

[action781]

who is the source behind "Howard want to go to the Lakers". is this coming from a reliable source?

No, it's not.  I read the source myself.  It later went on to say that if you ask any single NBA player, they would want to play in NY, LA, or Boston just because it's more exciting playing in front of a full arena than a half empty one.  It also later went on to say that it is virtually impossible salary-wise to sign Dwight when his contract ends.  So, no.

[Snakehead]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

I join in your Booing.  I wouldn't want to lose if I was a professional basketball player, and if you're at the whims of others (coaches, players, execs, fans, the Draft Lottery, etc) and you have a limited window in which you can play professional ball, you should make the most of it.  If that means moving, so be it. KG and Ray left to come to a winner.  Could you blame Dwight Howard for wanting to leave after the awful trades that were just pulled in Orlando that will doom the team for years financially and still leave it unable to win a ring? Was  Roy's time patiently waiting for Portland to develop and get healthy to become a great team around him worth it now that his precious time as a star player may be over?  Get over it people, really. Just sounds bitter now.  Especially this assumption for Howard, since it is not a quote but a rumor, and also seems totally impossible from a Laker standpoint.

I'd love it if one of you quit your job or got a new job for better pay, a better location, your own well being, the interests of your family, etc. and one of these players called you all the deregatory words you call them.  It's really pathetic.  Get off your pious thrones.

[guava_wrench]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

TP.

This is the reason why the significance of championships can be overrated unless you are talking GOAT. It is a great tie-breaker for GOAT contenders since they should be expected to regularly take over games in ways that Melo or Ewing can't (though I am hesitant to mention Melo in the same sentence as Ewing at this point).

[MBunge]

If KG and Ray don't come to town, Paul Pierce would have finished his career as even less than a "superloser" by this standard.

Mike

[mgent]

The era is a long way from being over.  Who is going to win the championships, especially as the Celtics and Lakers get older and eventually fade?  Unless Durant really steps up his game, it's going to be those aforementioned stars.

No, the Celtics are gonna attract a star to pair with Rondo and continue to win all the titles!

After the next two of course.

[Eja117]

If KG and Ray don't come to town, Paul Pierce would have finished his career as even less than a "superloser" by this standard.

Mike

Right. But then they did come to town and he exposed Lebron as kinda just another guy. Oh yeah, and a quitter.

[Eja117]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

I join in your Booing.  I wouldn't want to lose if I was a professional basketball player, and if you're at the whims of others (coaches, players, execs, fans, the Draft Lottery, etc) and you have a limited window in which you can play professional ball, you should make the most of it.  If that means moving, so be it. KG and Ray left to come to a winner.  Could you blame Dwight Howard for wanting to leave after the awful trades that were just pulled in Orlando that will doom the team for years financially and still leave it unable to win a ring? Was  Roy's time patiently waiting for Portland to develop and get healthy to become a great team around him worth it now that his precious time as a star player may be over?  Get over it people, really. Just sounds bitter now.  Especially this assumption for Howard, since it is not a quote but a rumor, and also seems totally impossible from a Laker standpoint.

I'd love it if one of you quit your job or got a new job for better pay, a better location, your own well being, the interests of your family, etc. and one of these players called you all the deregatory words you call them.  It's really pathetic.  Get off your pious thrones.

Well wait a second. If I'm the CEO of a company doing poorly and then I join another company and they have good executive officers and that company does poorly as well....then I will definitely start to get a reputation as a poor officer. People's work history definitely follows them.

Also if you get recruited to a company and you say "I'm going to really help this company" and then within a short time you leave having done nothing good for that company or leaving it in a precarious position you will definitely make no friends at that company.

Why is Lebron somehow excused from that? 

Some of these guys are going to end up as the Dan Marinos of their era...only it will be like if Marino were also throwing to great receivers and had a great line and a great running back.....if Dan Marino had all that and STILL no rings....then he's not just Dan Marino any more.....now he LEGEND Dan Marino.....if Lebron wins no rings.....he's not just going to be a loser.....he'll be a superloser.    It's the risk he took.

[dpaps]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

I join in your Booing.  I wouldn't want to lose if I was a professional basketball player, and if you're at the whims of others (coaches, players, execs, fans, the Draft Lottery, etc) and you have a limited window in which you can play professional ball, you should make the most of it.  If that means moving, so be it. KG and Ray left to come to a winner.  Could you blame Dwight Howard for wanting to leave after the awful trades that were just pulled in Orlando that will doom the team for years financially and still leave it unable to win a ring? Was  Roy's time patiently waiting for Portland to develop and get healthy to become a great team around him worth it now that his precious time as a star player may be over?  Get over it people, really. Just sounds bitter now.  Especially this assumption for Howard, since it is not a quote but a rumor, and also seems totally impossible from a Laker standpoint.

I'd love it if one of you quit your job or got a new job for better pay, a better location, your own well being, the interests of your family, etc. and one of these players called you all the deregatory words you call them.  It's really pathetic.  Get off your pious thrones.

Also if you get recruited to a company and you say "I'm going to really help this company" and then within a short time you leave having done nothing good for that company or leaving it in a precarious position you will definitely make no friends at that company.

Why is Lebron somehow excused from that? 

A better example for Lebron would be that he's the top student out of the top grad school in the country, he signs a contract with a struggling firm for a set amount of years. He then takes the firm near the top of the industry and makes the owners millions and millions and millions of dollars and lots of fame and fortune. The company is always near the top of the industry but cant quite reach the peak. Maybe a very very successful search engine that is incredibly profitable but can't quite get past Google. When his contract is up, he decides that he misses his friends and isn't happy stuck in the same firm in the same area of the midwest that he's lived in his whole life. After finishing his contract, he gets an offer from a better firm in a bigger better city where his 2 best friends currently work. Do you really blame him for leaving? Do you call this person all kinds of terrible names? I think everyone here would do the same.

Again, I'm not backing the Decision and the way he went about this whole situation, but I have no problem whatsoever in the fact that he left Cleveland.



Another thing to remember is that even in the above scenario or any real life work scenario, if you get recruited to a big company, you don't have to go. It's your choice.

You get drafted into the NBA. Do you think Chris Bosh, a guy from Texas who went to school in Georgia should HAVE TO live the next 15 years of his life in Canada? I'm not dissing Canada, but I don't blame Bosh one bit for leaving either.

Heck, I get bored with my work, I've moved 3 times in the past 3 years. I like seeing other places and cities. I think more people should explore the country/world more. Not just visiting no vacation, but living there. It's a whole different experience than simply passing through. And I know I can probably only do this while I'm young and have the freedom and lack of responsibilities. Lebron only has so many years in the NBA and if he doesn't want to spend every single one of them in Ohio, I understand completely.

And Lebron hasn't been excused for anything. I would say the complete opposite. He has taken an absurd amount of negative backlash for this. I would argue much more than he deserves.

[Snakehead]

Boo this thread. Only one team can win each year.

I join in your Booing.  I wouldn't want to lose if I was a professional basketball player, and if you're at the whims of others (coaches, players, execs, fans, the Draft Lottery, etc) and you have a limited window in which you can play professional ball, you should make the most of it.  If that means moving, so be it. KG and Ray left to come to a winner.  Could you blame Dwight Howard for wanting to leave after the awful trades that were just pulled in Orlando that will doom the team for years financially and still leave it unable to win a ring? Was  Roy's time patiently waiting for Portland to develop and get healthy to become a great team around him worth it now that his precious time as a star player may be over?  Get over it people, really. Just sounds bitter now.  Especially this assumption for Howard, since it is not a quote but a rumor, and also seems totally impossible from a Laker standpoint.

I'd love it if one of you quit your job or got a new job for better pay, a better location, your own well being, the interests of your family, etc. and one of these players called you all the deregatory words you call them.  It's really pathetic.  Get off your pious thrones.

Well wait a second. If I'm the CEO of a company doing poorly and then I join another company and they have good executive officers and that company does poorly as well....then I will definitely start to get a reputation as a poor officer. People's work history definitely follows them.

Also if you get recruited to a company and you say "I'm going to really help this company" and then within a short time you leave having done nothing good for that company or leaving it in a precarious position you will definitely make no friends at that company.

Why is Lebron somehow excused from that? 

Some of these guys are going to end up as the Dan Marinos of their era...only it will be like if Marino were also throwing to great receivers and had a great line and a great running back.....if Dan Marino had all that and STILL no rings....then he's not just Dan Marino any more.....now he LEGEND Dan Marino.....if Lebron wins no rings.....he's not just going to be a loser.....he'll be a superloser.    It's the risk he took.

By doing poorly do you mean the CEO put the company on his back for 7 years and got them to the "Corporation Finals" when they had no business being there because the rest of the company was garbage?  You think 7 years is a "short time"?  And brought the company unprecedented success they had never known?  And was the best CEO of all CEOs for two years in a row and by far the best employee the company ever had? And he put up some of the best numbers any CEO has ever put up in those first seven years? Wow that's some failure. 

And by his new company doing poorly, do you mean 21-9, first in their division, and currently 2nd in the East to a team that went to the Finals last year (US)?  And they are going to get better as the year goes on? I wish I failed like that.

But seriously, breaking down this whole thing lets also acknowledge LBJ was DRAFTED and did not have a choice where he went.  He doesn't owe Cleveland anything, it's not like they went out of their way where others would not.  Everyone wanted him.



And your saying he took a risk, great, who cares?  He shouldn't be walking on eggshells worrying about what people say, he should find the best situation for him where he has the best chance of winning.  And if there is a lot of pressure to win and he still went, seems like he wants to win first and foremost and he welcomes the pressure.



and good post dpaps, TP to you.