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Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2010, 09:02:22 AM »

Offline clover

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I prefaced my statements by saying that I knew why Rondo lets the ball roll, but it doesn't make much sense to me unless they really need to wind the clock down.  Tell me when you saw Cousey do something like that.  Just play the game.

I agree with @2short - there are too many stories about players who end their careers too early because they do not take care of their bodies. Tommy, Cowens, Bird, hell Bias for that matter did not take care of their bodies.  A modern day example would be another punk - Allen Iverson.  The examples of Vince Carter and JO are extreme and dumb - I expect individuals to play injured, but being injured because you do not take care of your body is plain stupid and inexcusable. 

As for high tops vs. low tops - I don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many times Rondo has lost a sneaker during a game this season.  How many times has Paul or KG lost a sneaker?  Come on man, cut me some slack.  I'm not an idiot and these are smart questions to have regardless of how much man-love you have for Rondo. 

Also, high tops do protect ankles from sprains - the National Institute of Health agrees with me - (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1323436/).

Also -

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/12/16/1879710/rondos-stubbornness-is-disrespectful-to-everyone

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20101030new_rule_turns_rajon_rondos_headband_habit_upside-down/

http://solecollector.com/Sneakers/News/Rajon-Rondo-Likes-To-Wear-His-Shoes-Really-Weirdly/

Lastly, if he's not going to have two bad ankles in a few years, he's going to die in a car crash - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB4gVUBDP14

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That study is only based on 20 guys and how they landed with and without hightops.  No taping involved, also no actual sprained ankles.  That makes it both useless and conjecture applied in this environment.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2010, 09:02:44 AM »

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I look at this ankle sprain as almost a blessing in disguise.  I love Rondo's toughness but that hamstring needed some time to heal.  This will give it a few weeks to calm down.  This also gives Nate serious time to get in a groove with the starting 5 which will help keeping Rondo's minutes down in the future.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2010, 09:11:41 AM »

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on rondo's stubbornness, i prefer the term iron will.

it is the intangible asset that so many skilled could-have-been's don't possess and it is what will make him an all time great.

as illustrated by his development as a leader, he is not so stubborn as to ignore what danny/doc try to teach him. but he possesses a will so strong that he has no problem running a team with 3 HOF teammates.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2010, 09:20:35 AM »

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Please dont associate stubborness with disrespect. If anything his teammates respect him MORE for trying to play with injuries.

This is the first year he is dealing with anything close to major. He has mounting nagging injuries that all likely stem from the initial foot problem. The stubborness comes from his unwillingness to sit.

I dont think there are any cases where a trainer tells Rondo to wear high tops and he says no or anything.

Also, how do you know he doesnt tape?

When he loses his sneaker, if he had high tops instead of slipping off of his foot, the shoe would hold its position torquing the ankle even more.

Actually, the other night looked so gruesome but because his shoe flexed out of the way so much, the sprain is minor.

But whatever I am not going to discuss stuff that no one is really an expert about (any sports medicine people out there?). The point is you basically prefaced your post by saying you are a reluctant fan of Rondo's game and that since he came in the league you have been nitpicking his game.

So why should anyone listen to you griping about his so called disrespect to "everyone" by weraing lowtops? Gimme a break.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2010, 09:35:14 AM »

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Regardless of how talented Rondo is on the floor, it's no secret he hasn't been considered the best locker room person.  That is the reason the C's explored trading him a couple of years back and had to think long and hard about signing him long term.  If he wasn't a talented player he would't be on the team.  But because he is talented, he is given some free passes (whether by the team or the fans).  Hopefully as he matures we will no longer need to discuss this issue.

  They weren't really looking to trade Rondo, they were looking to trade Ray and were trying to see if adding Rondo would be enough to get a younger superstar/max contract player. They refused to add him into the RA and KG trades even though both teams wanted him. And they signed him to a contract a year earlier than they needed to at pretty close to his asking price.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2010, 09:40:14 AM »

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after reading this guys silly thread i can't help but think he just wants another reason to dislike rondo.  i mean come on...alley oop passes????  disrespecting his teammates and fans because he refuses to quit???  jesus...get a grip.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2010, 09:57:50 AM »

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I've always wished Rondo would just adopt more of a Vince Carter attitude about minor injuries.  That's the surefire road to team success and league-wide respect.  :P

  Yes, maybe he could start staring at his ankle whenever he makes a bad pass.
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Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2010, 10:07:37 AM »

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Do we know for sure that he doesn't tape his ankles?  Also a lot of guys in the league wear low cut sneakers now.  They say they are lighter, it allows them to be a little quicker.  Kobe Bryant made a big deal about it a couple years ago after he saw how low soccer cleats were.  Also it's no guarantee that high tops would have prevented rolling the ankle.  They may help against sprains, but they don't 100% prevent them. 
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Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2010, 08:37:32 PM »

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People have short term memories and the best players out there learn to adapt their game to extend their careers...everyone got too greedy and thought KG could be the ole KG.  Nope, the human body is not like that.  I'm praying his right knee is ok!!  I bleed Green like everyone else on this blog and I was not trying to be a punk - I just call them as I see 'em.  Rondo is not too far behind KG of he doesn't get his act straight.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2010, 09:06:14 PM »

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I broke my ankle pretty bad once and I'm certain shoes wouldn't have mattered. I'm not sure anything would.

The guy should take care of himself.  I leave it to Danny and Doc to teach him how.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2010, 10:12:18 PM »

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I've sprained my ankles playing basketball 3 times. Shoes didn't make a difference in any occurence.
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Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2010, 11:54:40 PM »

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People have short term memories and the best players out there learn to adapt their game to extend their careers...everyone got too greedy and thought KG could be the ole KG.  Nope, the human body is not like that.  I'm praying his right knee is ok!!  I bleed Green like everyone else on this blog and I was not trying to be a punk - I just call them as I see 'em.  Rondo is not too far behind KG of he doesn't get his act straight.

This is the thread you want to revive?
What is it you see that you are calling?
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Rondo is not too far behind KG of he doesn't get his act straight.

I ask honestly what this means because, frankly, I have no idea. This idea of disrespect, which clearly isn't everyone, as this board and the actual Celtics team shows, or injuries? Is that following KG who prior to '08/'09, his 13th year in the league, except for one season never played less than 76 games a year, averaging nearly, if not above, 40 mpg? What must Rondo straighten out?

This whole argument seems sanctimonious and flailing, relying upon unsubstantiated assertions to support some initial dislike you have for Rondo. I am baffled.

Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2010, 08:01:16 AM »

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People have short term memories and the best players out there learn to adapt their game to extend their careers...everyone got too greedy and thought KG could be the ole KG.  Nope, the human body is not like that.  I'm praying his right knee is ok!!  I bleed Green like everyone else on this blog and I was not trying to be a punk - I just call them as I see 'em.  Rondo is not too far behind KG of he doesn't get his act straight.

It appears that Kwhitt and I think alike but the only thing i can think of is that KG didnt have his knee taped when shaq wrestled him to the ground.  Shaq also has no respect for anyone.
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Re: Rondo's stubbornness is disrespectful to everyone
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2010, 08:38:16 AM »

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I have learned to love Rondo for what he is.  I must say that I was the last person in my immediate and extended family to come around and embrace him.  For some reason, I have always seen past the flash and the highlights and nitpicked his game - it went beyond his elusive jump shot and concentrated more on his "punkness."  I abhor how he lets balls roll along before picking up the dribble (I know the reason for it, but it still looks ridiculous on TV) and even though his lobs and alley-oops guarantee easy, high percentage shots for the Celtics, I cannot help but hold my breath and think KG or Glenn Davis are a miscalculated pass away from a broken ankle.

But I can get past all of that because I really do accept the fact that Rajon Rondo is an amazing basketball player.  However, he needs to grow up and he needs to be a professional and he needs to protect his asset, which are his ankles, his legs, his hamstrings - his whole body.  He wears low-top basketball sneakers; never fully ties his sneakers and sometimes refuses to get taped up.  Do you wonder why he is having all these lower body/leg/foot problems?  Forget all the compression socks, leggings, arm sleeves, etc. - a player's most important gear are his sneakers.

If Rondo continues to be stubborn about these things, then he is being disrespectful to the game of basketball, his teammates, his coaches, his bosses who pay him dearly and most of all to himself because he is not allowing himself to be the best player he can be, which is the best player in the game.  Rajon, please wear high top sneakers and wear them properly.


You have GOT to be kidding me! Rolling the basketball inbounds is not a "punk move"...the clock doesn't begin until he touches the ball, which actually gives us 4-5 extra seconds to set up a play (which is huge).

Also, I sell basketball sneakers for a living, and I can tell you that high-tops do not necessarily have any more of a benefit to them than low-tops do. The real support of a shoe is in the base of the shoe...not the weak material that comes up around the ankle and makes it "look" more secure. The real key to ankle protection is bracing or taping up the ankles, something that Eddie Lacerte wouldn't allow his players to NOT do. Rondo's making serious money, has a long future ahead of him, and you don't think Doc and Ainge are aware of this and are taking all the necessary precautions to ensure that their investment will last for years to come? Kobe's wearing low-tops, and he's had himself a heck of a career. Rondo will be fine, whether he wears low-tops or high-tops.

And the alleyoop passes? You're seriously gonna tear into a player for creating easy baskets and points for his teammates? I suppose you'd rather watch him sit by and make Pierce try to make the iso work every play down the floor. Or perhaps you want to watch KG struggle to get past younger defenders in the post? Heck, let's let Shaq work extra hard for his buckets.

The biggest thing that Rondo has going for him though is his basketball IQ: Doc has said that Rondo is the smartest player he's ever coached, and I believe him. The way that Rondo knows where his players are without even having to look shows that he has the confidence of a quarterback that if he makes a precision pass to a certain spot on the floor, the players will be in that exact spot to make the catch and turn it into points. Rondo is not just confident in himself...he is also confident in his teammates. We've watched the offense (and defense) start to sputter without Rondo in the equation, so the understanding of his importance to this team should be at an all-time high. It is my conviction that Rondo is more important to our championship chances than KG is, and that's saying something.

Rondo has done everything right this year, and you're gonna tear into him for "being a punk"? Seriously man, go root for the Lakers and stop whining about the PG who's gonna work wonders in Celtics green for the next several years to come.