The Beat-Knicks

[NoraG1]

Somebody needs to tell kenny smith that "if there were .2 seconds more the knicks win" means jack because NY LOST.

Listening to this nba crew, you'd think Boston lost tonight.

I know I hate when 'analysts' say if there was more this or that the other team would win. You could bring alot of what ifs in the game to make any team look better. You could also say had C's had better then a 4th string Center starting the game would not have been this close. Don't you think C's would have payed more attention to a 3 if there was more time on the clock? C's are not stupid.

[Onslaught]

"If" Raymond Felton hadn't hit that bs 3 at the end of the half then Boston would have won by more.
"If" the refs didn't call a foul for Gallinari against Pierce when there wasn't one at the end of the 4th then Boston would've won by more.
"If" the refs had called the mugging that Ray took going to the basket then Boston would've won by more. But the didn't call one for Felton a few seconds later so it's even.

Is it just me or is the media a little too much in love with the Knicks tonight? I know I've got green glasses on. But all the talk and praise seems to be aimed at the Knicks.
I know the idea of the Knicks not sucking is new to everyone. And Boston has been good for a few years now and the new is worn off. But I find some of the NY love a little
sickening.

[GreenEnvy]

I gotta say, I liked what I saw from the Knicks.  Felton has really bought into the system, and Amare has returned to where he was a few years ago when he was a superstar.  Gallinari also is a heck of a player, and is only going to get better. 

Now, they are not yet in the same league as the Celtics, but I can't help but like this team. 

Unfortunately, they seem deadset on getting Carmelo, and frankly, I am not sure he is what they need.  I think they would be better off finding a big man who can play with Amare, and building some legit NBA depth.  But they want the big name.

Going for Amare's big name (and contract) was a mistake, IMHO.

I don't think you can win a title with Amare as your best player.  Extremely soft defensive player and heavily dependent on his PG and match-up for efficient scoring.

I live in NYC, and these Knicks are getting the most buzz since the '90's. It is strictly because if him (but credit Felton too). He is legitimately the league MVP thus far. There's no denying he has been playing exceptional.

If they get 'Melo this year or next, it's not inconceivable to think they can be a contender or at the very least a really good team. This step probably comes once D'Antoni either learns defense or is replaced, but the talent is there.

The Knicks may have lost out on LeBron, but other than (maybe) Wade, nobody would have a bigger impact than Amar'e has.

[LooseCannon]

Looks like its not a rivalry until the other team wins once in a while.

So, Yankees-Red Sox wasn't a rivalry until 2004?

[LooseCannon]

If they get 'Melo this year or next, it's not inconceivable to think they can be a contender or at the very least a really good team. This step probably comes once D'Antoni either learns defense or is replaced, but the talent is there.

The Knicks may have lost out on LeBron, but other than (maybe) Wade, nobody would have a bigger impact than Amar'e has.

Knicks should trade D'Antoni to the Heat for Spoelestra and a second-round pick.

[housecall]

First you need to win/play more than 25 games before you can get any real respect.When the Knicks win a series or two in the playoffs aganist the Celtics then i think that will earn their respect.Until then its crazy to give someone a lot of respect just because they're playing better and at a higher level in a long time.This whole rivalry,respect thing i heard from the media and Amare sounds familiar,2007-08 Atlanta Hawks.
The beginning of the season the media hyped up the Heat as the C's rivals.Its starting to feel like each time an east coast team thinks they've gotten better the C's suddenly becomes their rivals overnight.

[hwangjini_1]

I gotta say, I liked what I saw from the Knicks.  Felton has really bought into the system, and Amare has returned to where he was a few years ago when he was a superstar.  Gallinari also is a heck of a player, and is only going to get better. 

Now, they are not yet in the same league as the Celtics, but I can't help but like this team. 

Unfortunately, they seem deadset on getting Carmelo, and frankly, I am not sure he is what they need.  I think they would be better off finding a big man who can play with Amare, and building some legit NBA depth.  But they want the big name.

Going for Amare's big name (and contract) was a mistake, IMHO.

I don't think you can win a title with Amare as your best player.  Extremely soft defensive player and heavily dependent on his PG and match-up for efficient scoring.

Surround Amare with a defense-first center (say, Joakim Noah), a pass-first PG, and a good two-way scoring guard (say, Manu Ginobili), along with role players who play defense, and I think he'd have as much of a chance at a title as any player in the league.

Basically, I think most teams can get by having one guy who plays poor defense if the rest of the team can slow the opposing team down and make them work for their points.  The problem for Amare is that he's never played beside an elite defensive / rebounding center.  If he did, his weaknesses would be largely masked.

Good point on amare. He was amazing last night on offense. But when the game was on the line in the last few minutes, it was KG who came up big by making defensive stops and fighting for rebounds under the basket.  KG simply out fought amare for rebounds and scored from under neath the basket to keep the celtics in the game and allow pierce to win it.

The Knicks do need a tough rebounder and defender if they want to make a deep run in the play offs. They also need much better team defense I think.

Oh...and yes.... The announcers were almost orgasmic about the Knicks last night. Thank goodness for the volume control.

[Greenback]

The media seems to have a love affair with most any team but the Celtics.  The officials are the same as the media.  Imagine that.  When the Celtics win - they do it the old fashion way, they earn it.  Its amazing how all you hear about is the Heat, Lakers, Knicks...

It would do the league a world of good to have a Spurs and Celtics championship finals so they would stop hyping all the other losers.

[clover]

I gotta say, I liked what I saw from the Knicks.  Felton has really bought into the system, and Amare has returned to where he was a few years ago when he was a superstar.  Gallinari also is a heck of a player, and is only going to get better. 

Now, they are not yet in the same league as the Celtics, but I can't help but like this team. 

Unfortunately, they seem deadset on getting Carmelo, and frankly, I am not sure he is what they need.  I think they would be better off finding a big man who can play with Amare, and building some legit NBA depth.  But they want the big name.

Going for Amare's big name (and contract) was a mistake, IMHO.

I don't think you can win a title with Amare as your best player.  Extremely soft defensive player and heavily dependent on his PG and match-up for efficient scoring.

Surround Amare with a defense-first center (say, Joakim Noah), a pass-first PG, and a good two-way scoring guard (say, Manu Ginobili), along with role players who play defense, and I think he'd have as much of a chance at a title as any player in the league.

Basically, I think most teams can get by having one guy who plays poor defense if the rest of the team can slow the opposing team down and make them work for their points.  The problem for Amare is that he's never played beside an elite defensive / rebounding center.  If he did, his weaknesses would be largely masked.

Good point on amare. He was amazing last night on offense. But when the game was on the line in the last few minutes, it was KG who came up big by making defensive stops and fighting for rebounds under the basket.  KG simply out fought amare for rebounds and scored from under neath the basket to keep the celtics in the game and allow pierce to win it.

The Knicks do need a tough rebounder and defender if they want to make a deep run in the play offs. They also need much better team defense I think.

Oh...and yes.... The announcers were almost orgasmic about the Knicks last night. Thank goodness for the volume control.

All fair enough.  But with the C's top three centers shelved and only KG, Baby and an injured Semih all the C's big men had to play careful on defense so as not to foul out.  That the Knicks just barely lost in their own arena against that is not really such an accomplishment.  Yes, Stoudemire is very good, but even with two of the C's top four bigs available the game would not have been so close.

It's great for the NBA if just one of their two teams in their biggest market can be competitive again, but the Knicks still need another good off-season.

[2short]

The media seems to have a love affair with most any team but the Celtics.  The officials are the same as the media.  Imagine that.  When the Celtics win - they do it the old fashion way, they earn it.  Its amazing how all you hear about is the Heat, Lakers, Knicks...

It would do the league a world of good to have a Spurs and Celtics championship finals so they would stop hyping all the other losers.

actually post game greg anthony was really impressed and gave compliments to the celtics
a rough quote was boston beat ny at ny's game
and was missing perk his opinion the best defensive center in nba, shaq, jermaine and delonte
very impressed with amare's "new" game, his outside shot has had a lot of work

[Fafnir]

If they do get Carmelo it'll be great for New York, the upgrade from Danoilo Gallinari is a large one. With the current roster make up D'Antoni would be using Melo at the four just like he is with Gallinari now.

To contend for a title they'd need to add more pieces over the next few years, but that can be done if your GM is opportunistic. They'd need to surround Amar'e/Melo with defensive role players and they'd be a solid playoff team. Still would need another highly productive player who didn't need to score to contribute for them to be a title team.

[celticinorlando]

knicks are pretenders. they got fat on cupcakes and lost to a depleted boston who didnt play well at NY. They are going to be exposed the next few weeks.

[Fafnir]

knicks are pretenders. they got fat on cupcakes and lost to a depleted boston who didnt play well at NY. They are going to be exposed the next few weeks.

The Knicks SRS is still just -.14. That doesn't bode well for them going forward as they have the 2nd hardest schedule in the league from now on.

[celticinorlando]

knicks are pretenders. they got fat on cupcakes and lost to a depleted boston who didnt play well at NY. They are going to be exposed the next few weeks.

The Knicks SRS is still just -.14. That doesn't bode well for them going forward as they have the 2nd hardest schedule in the league from now on.

Great stat there. I chuckle at the lovefest these guys are getting right now TP

[vinnie]

The Knicks love-in I am seeing all over the media is sickening. Bob Ryan writes a column today about how the Knicks passed the test last night, even though they lost to the Celtics. Unless I missed it, nowhere in the column does he mention that the Celtics started their 4th string center, because the first three are injured, nor does he mention that they had a point guard playing on one leg in the foruth quarter and that their backup shooting guard is on the shelf. Give me a break, Bob Ryan, try to use a few facts when you are writing your column.

The Knicks are 6 games over .500 and you would think that they have turned the basketball world on its head. They are a gimmick team whose defense is horrible. They gave up 118 points to a Celtics team with no center last night. They play no defense. They cannot spell defense. The one thing I will give them is that they are fun to watch and Amar'e is an awesome player right now.

The Knicks will be enjoying vacation long before the NBA champion is crowned this year. However, given how tough things are for New York sports fans right now, I guess they are looking for anything positive to latch onto.