TA on the market?

[Birdbrain]

Some truly silly stuff happening on the front page of this thread, huh?

Trade for TA? Re-sign Sheed?



 

The only way I would be for bringing Sheed back is if Perkins some how isn't ready to play. I don't think that's necessarily going to happen though so it's just for discussion.  And as Coach Bo said I will ' passe ' on TA as well. Sorry TA fans but, he choose to leave and he ain't coming back through those doors. yuk yuk yuk.

[blceltsfan]

Nickagenta, you are Spot On! No way Sheed will get another shot at "I'll be ready" NOT! TA is TA and redundant to RA VW DW MD and even AB.

If we are to strengthen where we are thin, then get a PF, because if the 6th man of the year BBD goes down, this team will be scrambling to fill that void.

[CDawg834]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

[Chris]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

Spot on.  The C's moved on because Tony wanted more money and years than they felt he was worth.  I don't think his lackluster performance in Memphis has changed their minds on his worth.

[Mike-Dub]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

Spot on.  The C's moved on because Tony wanted more money and years than they felt he was worth.  I don't think his lackluster performance in Memphis has changed their minds on his worth.

Exactly.  Tony you had your chance to resign here, but you just wanted the money. 

It had nothing to do about being in the shadow of Paul and Ray because all along going to Memphis you were going to be in the shadow of Rudy and OJ for even longer.

[Mike-Dub]

Rasheed would be a fine replacement for the role Semih is currently playing, no more than that. (they rebound at the same rate after all......)

I would take Semih over Sheed now any day.  Semih has a much better work ethic and has potential to improve which Sheed doesn't have any more.

[Fafnir]

Rasheed would be a fine replacement for the role Semih is currently playing, no more than that. (they rebound at the same rate after all......)

I would take Semih over Sheed now any day.  Semih has a much better work ethic and has potential to improve which Sheed doesn't have any more.

Who cares about potential, we're trying to win this year.

As old and slow as Sheed was he defended/rebounded at the same level as Semih. He was also a greater factor offensively.

[mgent]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

Spot on.  The C's moved on because Tony wanted more money and years than they felt he was worth.  I don't think his lackluster performance in Memphis has changed their minds on his worth.

Really?  It had nothing to do with everyone expiring in 2 years so we can build around Rondo?

[Chris]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

Spot on.  The C's moved on because Tony wanted more money and years than they felt he was worth.  I don't think his lackluster performance in Memphis has changed their minds on his worth.

Really?  It had nothing to do with everyone expiring in 2 years so we can build around Rondo?

Well, of course that played a role in their determining his value/length of time they want to pay him.  I wasn't getting into WHY they decided he wasn't worth that contract, just stating that they made that decision, and are probably not going to change their mind right now.

[mgent]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

Spot on.  The C's moved on because Tony wanted more money and years than they felt he was worth.  I don't think his lackluster performance in Memphis has changed their minds on his worth.

Really?  It had nothing to do with everyone expiring in 2 years so we can build around Rondo?

Well, of course that played a role in their determining his value/length of time they want to pay him.  I wasn't getting into WHY they decided he wasn't worth that contract, just stating that they made that decision, and are probably not going to change their mind right now.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, but I think it's very possible they did think Tony was worth the contract and just didn't offer it to him because it didn't fit into their plans.

Obviously that doesn't mean they'll change their mind.  I highly doubt we'd trade for anybody that affects our cap flexibility.

[Chris]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

Spot on.  The C's moved on because Tony wanted more money and years than they felt he was worth.  I don't think his lackluster performance in Memphis has changed their minds on his worth.

Really?  It had nothing to do with everyone expiring in 2 years so we can build around Rondo?

Well, of course that played a role in their determining his value/length of time they want to pay him.  I wasn't getting into WHY they decided he wasn't worth that contract, just stating that they made that decision, and are probably not going to change their mind right now.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, but I think it's very possible they did think Tony was worth the contract and just didn't offer it to him because it didn't fit into their plans.

Obviously that doesn't mean they'll change their mind.  I highly doubt we'd trade for anybody that affects our cap flexibility.

Not to get too philosophical here, but I tend to think what a team offers a player (in their final offer) is the definition of what they think the player is wroth to them. 

[Brendan]

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Not to get too philosophical here, but I tend to think what a team offers a player (in their final offer) is the definition of what they think the player is wroth to them. 

That's true as afar as it goes: teams only evaluate players based on their value to the team. With really good players the value is far beyond what the team can offer, so price tends to match market value. For the role players and reserve guys, since teams have a lot more ability to pay what they want, I'm guessing the valuation focuses on value to club.

In other words, market value is by definition what a player can make as a FA. But the team is not bound to pay that, and can value a player with its own approach. This doesn't mean the team doesn't see that difference "we know the market for Posey is X, but his value here is <X so we're not going to match, wish him all the best, etc."

[MBunge]

As old and slow as Sheed was he defended/rebounded at the same level as Semih. He was also a greater factor offensively.

If Sheed wants to come back in the playoffs and give the same effort as he did in last seaon's playoffs, fine.  Keep him far away from this team until then.  We don't even have to get into the whole "playing hard in the regular season thing", the advantage Semih has over Sheed is that Semih is happy to play like an actual center and not a 3-pt happy small foward who can't really shoot 3's anymore.  I'm pretty sure Baby doesn't want to go back to being the only big in lane and having people collapse on him because Sheed is standing out at the arc and is no threat to cut into the lane or offensive rebound.

Mike

[nickagneta]

As old and slow as Sheed was he defended/rebounded at the same level as Semih. He was also a greater factor offensively.

If Sheed wants to come back in the playoffs and give the same effort as he did in last seaon's playoffs, fine.  Keep him far away from this team until then.  We don't even have to get into the whole "playing hard in the regular season thing", the advantage Semih has over Sheed is that Semih is happy to play like an actual center and not a 3-pt happy small foward who can't really shoot 3's anymore.  I'm pretty sure Baby doesn't want to go back to being the only big in lane and having people collapse on him because Sheed is standing out at the arc and is no threat to cut into the lane or offensive rebound.

Mike

Not to mention as mediocre as Semih is, he can still give you 40 minutes. Sheed can't and short term, and heck, maybe long term due to the injuries to the O'Neal boys, that is very important.

[mgent]

Here's a report from Marc Stein.  He may be a bonehead, but he's our bonehead?  Any chance Wafer and, say, Luke could be swapped for him?

Boston let him walk because they weren't gonna give him 3 years.  Why would they then trade for him, and in doing so take on the 3 year contract they didn't want to give him in the first place??  Doesn't make sense.

Spot on.  The C's moved on because Tony wanted more money and years than they felt he was worth.  I don't think his lackluster performance in Memphis has changed their minds on his worth.

Really?  It had nothing to do with everyone expiring in 2 years so we can build around Rondo?

Well, of course that played a role in their determining his value/length of time they want to pay him.  I wasn't getting into WHY they decided he wasn't worth that contract, just stating that they made that decision, and are probably not going to change their mind right now.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, but I think it's very possible they did think Tony was worth the contract and just didn't offer it to him because it didn't fit into their plans.

Obviously that doesn't mean they'll change their mind.  I highly doubt we'd trade for anybody that affects our cap flexibility.

Not to get too philosophical here, but I tend to think what a team offers a player (in their final offer) is the definition of what they think the player is wroth to them. 

True if you're talking about his worth TO THEM.  But that's a little different than his overall worth (money-wise).