TA on the market?

[Who]

My first interest is JJ, then I'd take Tony second.

+1

Reddick would be the perfect reliever for Ray.

I think we've already got Delonte and somewhat Wafer and Bradley there.  The need is to be able to back up Pierce and Daniels.

Delonte West is a better shooting guard than JJ Redick due to his superior defense.

Both players are ill-equipped to play the small forward position.

[Bankshot]

My first interest is JJ, then I'd take Tony second.

+1

Reddick would be the perfect reliever for Ray.

I think we've already got Delonte and somewhat Wafer and Bradley there.  The need is to be able to back up Pierce and Daniels.

Delonte West is a better shooting guard than JJ Redick due to his superior defense.

Both players are ill-equipped to play the small forward position.

Um,no. JJ is better.

[indeedproceed]

My first interest is JJ, then I'd take Tony second.

+1

Reddick would be the perfect reliever for Ray.

I think we've already got Delonte and somewhat Wafer and Bradley there.  The need is to be able to back up Pierce and Daniels.

Delonte West is a better shooting guard than JJ Redick due to his superior defense.

Both players are ill-equipped to play the small forward position.

Um,no. JJ is better.

I agree bankshot, but to play devils advocate, what are you basing that on?

Because in my mind, the only JJ Redick that exists is the guy that has given Ray fits in the playoffs. That guy is like Ray Allen-lite, and we could sure use him.

But this season, Redick is shooting poorly, and his game hasn't matured much otherwise. I'd take the Delonte we saw for 5 games over the Redick that has been playing this season.

[Fafnir]

Three years ago Delonte did a similar job on Ray Allen in the playoffs. Successfully guarding Ray Allen is no longer a sign you're a great defender.

[indeedproceed]

Three years ago Delonte did a similar job on Ray Allen in the playoffs. Successfully guarding Ray Allen is no longer a sign you're a great defender.

So you're saying Delonte is not a great defender?

(I'm not saying either one is great, but I think they're both pretty good..and can successfully for our needs defend 90% of the 2's in the league.

[billysan]

I wonder if we had signed TA, would we still have signed Delonte West? Easy enough to say we would take Tony over Von Wafer, even though Wafer was signed before West if memory serves. I guess we could have cut Wafer loose after camp and kept Tony Allen and Delonte both. I wonder what Doc's feeling on this would be on hindsight?

[CoachBo]

No, I would pass, we have a better record this year than with him.   I don't miss him really.   Wallace in Memphis still and he won't help us at all and would ship him to LA before us.  Besides they need a PG.

Some of these bring back TA, Antione threads are funny who is next Potapenko or McCarty?

Huh? We were 20-4 last season with TA. We had a way better record the season before that.

So no, we had a better record with TA. I'm not saying we should get him, but let's not fabricate factually incorrect arguments.

Facts are immaterial.  Passe, if you will.

-sw

Ever the wordsmith, Steve, you have coined the key word here:

I will, as always, "passe" on Tony Allen.

[guava_wrench]

My first interest is JJ, then I'd take Tony second.

+1

Reddick would be the perfect reliever for Ray.

I think we've already got Delonte and somewhat Wafer and Bradley there.  The need is to be able to back up Pierce and Daniels.

So the need is for a 3rd backup to Pierce and Daniels?  I don't consider that very much of a need.  Realistically though there is 0% chance Danny is going to bring back someone he offered the same amount of money but, choose to play in Memphis.  

I concur though with the breaking glass in case of Big injuries for Sheed.  And as mentioned it could be done by just cutting Wafer.  I actually think Doc probably already discussed this with Sheed in case Perkins isn't ready for the playoffs.  

We only have an often injured Marquis behind Pierce, Delonte is not a viable backup for Pierce and he is always injured too.  So, yeah, I'd take Tony back.  But like I said, my first choice is Redick.

Delonte is already small as a 2 guard. He is not a viable backup 3. Our 3s are Pierce, Quis, Ray and Wafer.

If Quis and Pierce were unavailable, would we have to go small, with Ray at SF and West starting at SG? Kinda scary, but both those guys are playing, so I won't think about it.

[Bankshot]

My first interest is JJ, then I'd take Tony second.

+1

Reddick would be the perfect reliever for Ray.

I think we've already got Delonte and somewhat Wafer and Bradley there.  The need is to be able to back up Pierce and Daniels.

Delonte West is a better shooting guard than JJ Redick due to his superior defense.

Both players are ill-equipped to play the small forward position.

Um,no. JJ is better.

I agree bankshot, but to play devils advocate, what are you basing that on?

Because in my mind, the only JJ Redick that exists is the guy that has given Ray fits in the playoffs. That guy is like Ray Allen-lite, and we could sure use him.

But this season, Redick is shooting poorly, and his game hasn't matured much otherwise. I'd take the Delonte we saw for 5 games over the Redick that has been playing this season.

If you agree with me, why are you playing devil's advocate?

The fact that JJ is a clutch shooter, and a good one at that, is good enough for me.  And Delonte only played in 5 games and then got hurt (as he usually does).  So I wouldn't compare the two.  When Delonte was guarding Ray 3 years ago, Ray couldn't throw the ball in the hoop if his life depended on it, it didn't matter who guarded him.  He was jut in an awful slump. Ray was missing wide open shots. When Redick guarded him the next season, he was actually staying in front of Ray, which really surprised me.  It's really difficult for anyone to stay in front of Ray the way he moves without the ball.

But yeah, JJ is the better player.  I'd take him even while he's in a slump.  He's an excellent shooter, the slump is not going to last. He's a clutch shooter, he'll break out of it when it matters in the playoffs.

[Fafnir]

Redick has had his defensive issues against plenty of other match ups than Ray.

I just don't see him as a "clutch" player I suppose. I'm no a big believer in clutch overcoming deficiencies in a palyers game. Especially seeing how he made several big errors agains the C's in crunch time in the playoffs.

[Brendan]

If Ray Allen was abducted and I had to pick one guy JJ or West to have start in the backcourt with Rondo, I'd take JJ. If Ray Allen is already your starting starting SG with Rondo at PG, I like West better as third guard. He's capable of guarding elite SGs, he can backup either spot, and he's enough of a shooter to fill Ray's role when at off guard. The one thing West cannot do is step in at SF, but he's enough of a defender that you can slide Ray to SF and your team D won't fall off.

I'm not sure TA would even improve the current rotation at the wing/guard spots of Pierce/Allen/Rondo and Daniels/Nate. Would he improve the D over Daniels or Nate? Yes. But the cost offensively probably offsets it.

I'm not surprised TA is on the market, he was a bad signing for that team.

[wiley]

IMO Allen would make great insurance against injury.  For example, if we lost Ray, then West, Marquis and Allen can attempt to hold down the fort.  TA is a specialist.  Specialists often get a role in Conference Finals or Finals.  Making Kobe's life miserable, for as few minutes as it is, is worth having him on the roster.  Certainly a big step up from throwing Wafer onto the court.

[nickagneta]

Some truly silly stuff happening on the front page of this thread, huh?

Trade for TA? Re-sign Sheed?



 

[Bankshot]

Some truly silly stuff happening on the front page of this thread, huh?

Trade for TA? Re-sign Sheed?



 

I don't see what's silly.  Given the injury history of West, Marquis, Shaq and JO, those two would be perfect fits and it wouldn't take much to get them.

[Fafnir]

Rasheed would be a fine replacement for the role Semih is currently playing, no more than that. (they rebound at the same rate after all......)