How is Sheldon doing in Denver....!!!

[housecall]

A few weeks ago on NBATV Rick Kamlis asked Cherly Miller if she could take Candice Parker to the hoop and beat her in a pickup game,her reply was"to be honest with you Rick i don't think i could handle her but her husband though is a different story,i'll back that boy down in the paint",Rick,S.Smith both laughed as she went on to show what she'd do to Sheldon on the court.Point being there is very little respect for Sheldon's game by professional eyes.

[Bankshot]

Sheldon, last night vs Memphis, 23 minutes, 9 rebounds, 9 points.  He would have been a better bench guy than gody, or wafer, and bbd always played a lot harder, after doc put sheldon in HIS spot.....that is all i am saying.

Really dude, I don't think anyone here cares about Shelden Williams.  He's not a difference maker.  Never has been, probably never will be.  The guy is a huge bust for a number 5 pick in the draft. And frankly, I'd rather have Erden.  He is a 7 footer and probably has more potential than Shelden at this point.

[Roy H.]

well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...

I think Doc really liked Leon, and wanted him back.  Unfortunately, he blew out his knee, and Danny didn't pick up his qualifying offer (a smart move), causing Leon to take Cleveland's offer. 

Regarding Lasme, he's never been an elite rebounder.  He's decent, but nothing I'd call good, and certainly not great.

As for Shelden...  I liked what he gave us, and wouldn't have minded having him back.  He is a very good rebounder, a hard worker, and he plays above-average defense.  That said, he has some flaws.  He's a poor ball handler, he's undersized, and he often struggled on offense.  I think there's a legit debate over whether he would be more valuable to this team than Harangody, but at the same time I don't think Shelden's absence will impact this season at all.

Also, in terms of bringing him back at least, there's no guarantee that he would have taken a minimum deal from us over Denver's offer.

[cavman]

No team to read this whole thread.  But....

1. Sheldon does not play the same positions as Wafer.  Can't replace him.
2. Harangody is barely playing.  We'd need Sheldon for 3 minutes every 3rd game?

so, a whole lotta thread for NOTHING.

[crownsy]

Sheldon, last night vs Memphis, 23 minutes, 9 rebounds, 9 points.  He would have been a better bench guy than gody, or wafer, and bbd always played a lot harder, after doc put sheldon in HIS spot.....that is all i am saying.

He's not a 2 who can shoot the three, so he isn't comparable to wafer.

While I agree he's probably better than gody, you are now arguing semantics since gody you know, never plays. If you like to look at sheldon rather than gody in his warmups all game, more power to ya.

And people can bash sheldon's complete and utter lack of an offensive game other than put backs without having played "real basketball" whatever the heck that is.

He was a awful offensive player at duke too.

I like sheldon, he has a high motor and can rebound the stuffing out of the ball. I think he's going to have a semi productive and long career bouncing around as a rebounding and energy specialist for teams as their 8-10th man ina  rotation. But we didn't need him here, and our front court is looking fine, even with the injuries.

I would ARGUABLY have him at 5th on our front court rotation, and he's 6th when perk is available. why would the celtics invest in that kind of contract when they can draft a kid like gody to be the 12th man for less and have other front court options?

sheldon will be fine, be happy for him getting some burn in denver, we had no spot for him here.

[Chris]

Sheldon, last night vs Memphis, 23 minutes, 9 rebounds, 9 points.  He would have been a better bench guy than gody, or wafer, and bbd always played a lot harder, after doc put sheldon in HIS spot.....that is all i am saying.

Well, lets look at it from Shelden's point of view.  Do you think he would have wanted to be here in place of Harangody or Wafer?  He would have been 5th or 6th on the depth chart.

Now, I am not sure whether he chose to leave, or the C's didn't want him back (and I doubt you know either), but I can say for sure he is in a better situation for himself in Denver. 

Good for him. 

[guava_wrench]

Sure, like some have said, his bad games include 12 points in 10 minutes vs SA...which then doc sat him all game thereafter, odd, well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship. Yes, i am glad, KG is healthy, and shaq is doing great, also, again i have seen "when" bbd goes after rebounds, he can get a good amount of them..why he doesn't do it more often....?

   Sheldon did NOT get hardly ANY playing time here, don't gloss it over, doc played that fool scal instead....for no basketball reason. and at 6'9"...don't say you can't get it done at that height, uh, Dennis Rodman...if you didn't appreciate him, you prob didn't play bball ever, rebounding is neccessary, Leon Powe was the X factor in why we won that championship, we were beaten down by the dirt the lakers got away with in #6, but with stronger rebounding, we could have put it away b4 that.

You point out something important. His coach felt his numbers were an illusion. He got some numbers, but Doc didn't felt he was actually helping the team.

Denver is all about numbers. Look at Melo. Dude gets play of the week for scoring once on 3 possessions at the end of a game.

You also completely miss the boat on "it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship." Uh, hello? We have a championship doing that. We were one quarter away from a championship doing that. In other words, you are wrong. Our getting back on defense works.

You are speculating against a proven record of success.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

Good for him.

But R u effing serious? Sheldon didn't play because he sucked. He was a terrible defender. He had bricks for hands. He was huge liability offensively & defensively.

Again good for Sheldon Williams.

Sorry, but in the regular season Sheldon played and he played well when provided with the opportunity. He is an opportunistic offensive player and Denver asked him to score a bit, something he's not used to doing...hence why his ppg have increased and his % has decreased.

His hands were soft during the regular season but turned into bricks during the post-season. He certainly wasn't a liability on either end of the floor against the oppositions 2nd units, but 2 catastrophic errors during game 1 (or perhaps it was game 3) agasint Cleveland going into Halftime is what completely turned me off of Sheldon.

[Chris]

His hands were soft during the regular season but turned into bricks during the post-season.

I am not going to argue with the rest of your post, because I agree that Williams is getting a little more grief than necessary on his play last year.  He did better than expected during the regular season.  With that said, I strongly disagree with the above statement.  Williams' hands were downright attrocious all year last year.  He got away with it early in the season more than in the playoffs, because of the lesser competition, etc., but that does not change the fact that his hands made Mark Blount look like Jerry Rice from the second he stepped on the floor as a Celtic.

[The Walker Wiggle]

They seem to like guys who didn't quite make it with us (Birdman & Jones with workouts the same year, Williams the next).

Jones is back to being a borderline NBA player this year.

Fortunately, Shelden doesn't have to worry about catching passes in that offense. Denver is 2nd in pace and 5th in points scored, but only tied for 17th in assists.

Shelden's rebounding is clearly NBA-quality. There will be teams that he will fit with. It just wasn't with us because his shortcomings were too difficult to overcome. The truth is, it only made a difference because Perk got hurt in game 6. If not for that, we aren't having this discussion.

Side note: I have long found it ironic that people critiqued Brown so much for the offensive system around Lebron, but Karl gets a free ride with the horrific way that Carmelo is used...

This, I thought, was astute analysis, and mostly closed the book on Shelden in Denver.

I'd also agree with IP's assessment of Semih. Playing armchair GM, I'd likely rate out my choice of the names being tossed around as 1. Erden, 2. Powe (really 1a on the nostalgia tip), 3. Williams, 4. Wafer (although apples and oranges), 5. Harangody.

[billysan]

My biggest problem while Shelden was here was not so much Shelden but the role he ended up playing. He seemed to always wind up playing back up center (with Sheed on the perimeter most of the time). He is only 6'9" and after last year I think the organization was determined to 'not' have a bunch of undersized bigs in key roles. We needed bench size and length on the interior and he wasnt it.

If Shelden had been only asked to play 10-15 mpg as a PF backup he may have been fine. The fact is, BBD was going to get all those minutes and more. He is much more productive than Shelden. Harangody is here because he is cheaper and a better shooter than Shelden.

This year we added massive length with Shaq, J.O. and even Semih all to back up Perk and KG. I doubt there was any place left for Shelden in that bigman rotation, same as there wasnt any room for Scalabrine. Keeping Shelden as the 7th big made very little sense on this roster.


I am glad he is doing ok in Denver.

[guava_wrench]

My biggest problem while Shelden was here was not so much Shelden but the role he ended up playing. He seemed to always wind up playing back up center (with Sheed on the perimeter most of the time). He is only 6'9" and after last year I think the organization was determined to 'not' have a bunch of undersized bigs in key roles. We needed bench size and length on the interior and he wasnt it.

If Shelden had been only asked to play 10-15 mpg as a PF backup he may have been fine. The fact is, BBD was going to get all those minutes and more. He is much more productive than Shelden. Harangody is here because he is cheaper and a better shooter than Shelden.

This year we added massive length with Shaq, J.O. and even Semih all to back up Perk and KG. I doubt there was any place left for Shelden in that bigman rotation, same as there wasnt any room for Scalabrine. Keeping Shelden as the 7th big made very little sense on this roster.


I am glad he is doing ok in Denver.

What is particularly interesting about your comment is how what we missed in game 7 was another center, the same role he didn't thrive in.

[wdleehi]

I am sorry but did I see a Rodman comparison in there?

[greenpride32]

Shelden was not good or bad tonight, but that's what you expect out of him.  I guess his minutes were somewhat limited because DEN needed scorers on the floor to try and catch up all night.  But even in his limited minutes he was dead last in +/- at -22. 

[billysan]

Shelden was not good or bad tonight, but that's what you expect out of him.  I guess his minutes were somewhat limited because DEN needed scorers on the floor to try and catch up all night.  But even in his limited minutes he was dead last in +/- at -22. 

I think he was getting scorched inside and out by KG and Baby. The Nuggets needed a change of venue at PF. Someone else, anyone else that could change the landscape. They still didnt win, but they had to try something I guess.