Not Buying Marquis Daniels

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C's have to upgrade. He doesn't cut especially not for a contender. He is severely undersized @ the 3. Has very limited range. When he is on the floor, he handicaps the team offensively. Marquis is also a terrible rebounder, and brings Zero intangibles. He is a decent 2nd wing off the bench, not the 1st

Here is a list of his direct competition:

Miami:           Mike Miller>Marquis Daniels
Los Angeles:     Matt Barnes>Marquis Daniels
Orlando:         Mickael Pietrus>Marquis Daniels
Dallas:          Shawn Marion>Marquis Daniels
Chicago:         Ronnie Brewer>Marquis Daneils

Extreme Scenario: Pierce suspended for a Game. Do you trust Marquis Daniels to preform?

[BballTim]

  He's our 4th or so best bench player when we're healthy. Do all those teams have better bench players than Shaq, BBD and Delonte? Do any of them?

[indeedproceed]

  He's our 4th or so best bench player when we're healthy. Do all those teams have better bench players than Shaq, BBD and Delonte? Do any of them?

I'd put Nate over him too. The backup SF is no doubt our biggest hole, but that doesn't mean we need to make a move. Every team has a glaring hole in their rotation, and if Marquis Daniels is our biggest liability, I'm cool with that.

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  He's our 4th or so best bench player when we're healthy. Do all those teams have better bench players than Shaq, BBD and Delonte? Do any of them?

They have nothing to do with Marquis. Doc can mix and match between a lot of different positions because of the depth. That depth doesn't exist behind Pierce. You got Q and Q only. Frankly, he doesn't cut it.

[MaxAMillion]

Delonte is basically gone for the regular season (at least according to Doc) so he doesn't even belong in the conversation anymore. Robinson does very little. This team can't afford to have Daniels as the back up SG/SF. They need more production off their bench than what Daniels provides.

To answer the question, I don't trust Daniels to do much of anything consistently.

[tenn_smoothie]

would jerry stackhouse be an improvement ??

[Toine43]

  He's our 4th or so best bench player when we're healthy. Do all those teams have better bench players than Shaq, BBD and Delonte? Do any of them?

They have nothing to do with Marquis. Doc can mix and match between a lot of different positions because of the depth. That depth doesn't exist behind Pierce. You got Q and Q only. Frankly, he doesn't cut it.

Yes they do. The Celtics definitely have a lot of firepower and depth off the bench compared to most teams, especially once Perk and J. O'Neal come back, and consequently Marquis's flaws aren't as big a deal. Who cares what position the bench production comes from, as long as it's production.

You're right, he's not the best option you could have at the backup 3, but as people have pointed out, a team can't have the cream of the crop at every position. What IndeedProceed said is spot on. We might not be able to make a move because although Marquis isn't the best, he isn't the worst we could have, and there just might not be anyone out there who is better. There are a lot of things he does well and for a so-called "problem," he really isn't much of a problem. If anything, the biggest problem with him is how much of injury risk he is.

[pearljammer10]

Disagree completely. Love Marquis and think he is doing a great job filling in.

[Fafnir]

would jerry stackhouse be an improvement ??

No he's just as poor a shooter as Marquis and is worse at defense.

I wouldn't mind Stackhouse per se, but I don't think he's a upgrade. He'd just be injury insurance.

[guava_wrench]

would jerry stackhouse be an improvement ??

No he's just as poor a shooter as Marquis and is worse at defense.

I wouldn't mind Stackhouse per se, but I don't think he's a upgrade. He'd just be injury insurance.

Stackhouse can hit an open 3.

Quis is a better finisher at this point in Stackhouse's career.

[Fafnir]

would jerry stackhouse be an improvement ??

No he's just as poor a shooter as Marquis and is worse at defense.

I wouldn't mind Stackhouse per se, but I don't think he's a upgrade. He'd just be injury insurance.

Stackhouse can hit an open 3.

Quis is a better finisher at this point in Stackhouse's career.

He's a career 30% 3 point shooter, he's also shot the following percentages the last four years:

32%
16%
35%
25%

He's a slightly better 3 point shooter compared to Daniels (career 25%) but both are bad options from deep. The rest of his game is much worse than Daniels.

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would jerry stackhouse be an improvement ??

No he's just as poor a shooter as Marquis and is worse at defense.

I wouldn't mind Stackhouse per se, but I don't think he's a upgrade. He'd just be injury insurance.

Def not an upgrade. Probably a nightmare scenario. We don't need another Michael Finley.

[Atzar]

I see Marquis's post game as his greatest asset on offense.  Since he doesn't have a size advantage over many threes in the league, he can't use that part of his game very often.

He's at his best when he plays one of the guard positions, but he can't play there very often for us.  Remember how Amare exploded when Phoenix brought Shaq in and freed him up to play his natural position?  Same principle.  

I think he's done a solid job overall despite playing out of position.  The reason the second unit is struggling is because we're playing a hurt rookie at C and because Delonte is out.  When our bench is healthy we can hide Marquis's lack of offense at the 3, but when we're short on bodies his weakness stands out more.

[2short]

With our starting unit I would expect Marquis as a starter to average about 10 pts a game, 4 rebounds, 3-4 assists, pass well, hit fts and play good defense. 
He is small framed to guard a lot of sf but he's really a swing man and does a great job off the bench for us.  If forced to start for a period he would obviously be a downgrade from pierce (all star and hof) but Posey was as well.  I do think we need another sf body on the bench, 6'7-8" defensive guy who rebounds and can pass, doesn't need to score.
And he does do the intangibles which many times don't show up in box score, I thought Ray Allen had a GREAT game last night and his box score while well rounded doesn't show how much I think he brought to game.

[Greenbean]

  He's our 4th or so best bench player when we're healthy. Do all those teams have better bench players than Shaq, BBD and Delonte? Do any of them?

They have nothing to do with Marquis. Doc can mix and match between a lot of different positions because of the depth. That depth doesn't exist behind Pierce. You got Q and Q only. Frankly, he doesn't cut it.

Youre missing his point. Our bench is better than all of those teams when we are healthy. Every bench has a "worst player" Marquis isnt that bad to be the worst player on our bench.

What do you want former all stars backing up EVERY position?