C's NOT a better rebounding team this year

[Meadowlark_Scal]

If you look at rebounding differential, the C's are in the middle of the pack in the league.  And are actually slightly on the positive side.  Last year their differential was negative and they were 25th overall. 

So I'd have to say they are better with the additions of SON and JON.  Just imagine if they were both healthy through the first 10 games.  Assuming they do get healthly the numbers are going to only get better.  The C's grab 38 boards a game and the oppenent grabs 37, not a big deal.

 

are you comparing 10 games this year with...last season.? Shaq and jo would help....if they played. Heck we'd be in a great spot with shaq jo and perk...but as it stands, we'd be lucky to have shaq in the game...rebounding is as important as scoring. Zach "Randolph showed what a guy can do if he wants them, and knows how to get them.....look what mil and mem did with rebounding. Wait till orl, and Atl show up...the Lakers....it is or should be a concern...fix it, or go no where....! Jump shots come and go.

[SamuelAdams]

No rebound on a swish.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Hey the washington wizards have ALWAYS been a great shooting team...!

[RJ87]

Until JO and Shaq can play some type of consistent minutes and Perk comes back, we can't really grasp how the offseason pickups really helped us in the rebounding category. I do think down the line in the playoffs when those 3 players are (hopefully) somewhat healthy, rebounding will be a strong suit for us.

[Greenbean]

Okay, here is my slant....attempts at offensive rebounds aren't EVER a bad idea....someone like BBD or MD SHOULD be all over them ( LASME )....with pp, ray and kg taking all those shots, there are plenty of nice rebounds there for the taking....lazy guys don't position them selves for rebounds....look at zach randolph last night...THAT is a rebounder....all offensive ones... ( Camby?)  i saw kg shoot 5 from the corner or 45 degree angle....any player knows, go to the long side when the shot is up...that is where it is going...bbd was on the floor..never moved to the spot once...that indicates, no desire, no knowledge, or out of shape.....

  I don't want our stars doing it....this is also why doc is weak...in this sector...he doesn't see the need for rebounds...and doesn't keep the guy who is willing to do it......powe, sheldon lasme....all had one thought..."rebounds is MY job!"...all gone.
 
    Wait till Atlanta and the Lekers come around....Milw already got us on the boards, Memp did too...don't give me stats...watch the game..a few good rebounds on the O end can change the momentum..and make a team feel tired and ineffective....younger teams thrive off of momentum.

 Sure we are doing decent..but beating avg teams in overtime is letting those types in..don't be fooled by 10 games.....You have to be HEALTHY come playoff time....it is a long season of gladiator fighting every night ( game)..see kg get floored last night, rondo get slammed every night.....injuries are already a problem..where is oneal...jo...?  play gody or dump him....get lasme if you aren't going to play gody..lasme was nba ready to rebound, which will get the other team tired and in foul trouble....none of the O rebounds are ever contested here..1/3 of the other teams are.....better think about it.

BBD is the best offensive rebounder on the team. he hasnt done much of it this year but I expect he will.

Also, coaches can dictate whether they want the team to crash the offensive glass or not. Usually scrappy inferior teams try to do this to beat better teams. I have always thought it is way more important to get back on defense. Crashing the O boards can be effective in stretches but for long periods of time you really open up the running game for the other team.

[celtics2]

Except for BBD we are fragile in the frontcourt. We can win without mixing it up for now. It's all about the Playoffs. Take a snooze for another 72 games and then tell us where we are in rebounding.

As for Rondo burning out I don't see what the Crystal Ball Geezers see. This is his team and his year.

[Jon]

If you look at rebounding differential, the C's are in the middle of the pack in the league.  And are actually slightly on the positive side.  Last year their differential was negative and they were 25th overall. 

So I'd have to say they are better with the additions of SON and JON.  Just imagine if they were both healthy through the first 10 games.  Assuming they do get healthly the numbers are going to only get better.  The C's grab 38 boards a game and the oppenent grabs 37, not a big deal.

 

are you comparing 10 games this year with...last season.? Shaq and jo would help....if they played. Heck we'd be in a great spot with shaq jo and perk...but as it stands, we'd be lucky to have shaq in the game...rebounding is as important as scoring. Zach "Randolph showed what a guy can do if he wants them, and knows how to get them.....look what mil and mem did with rebounding. Wait till orl, and Atl show up...the Lakers....it is or should be a concern...fix it, or go no where....! Jump shots come and go.

True.  But a post game and rebounding are two different things.  We can be a mediocre rebounding team, but a strong post team if we continue to go to Shaq (and to an extent KG) in the post. 

[chicagogreen]

For what it's worth, the Celtics are 3rd in the NBA in terms of defensive rebound rate:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html

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(You need to look at rate stats, rather than at raw numbers, to account for things like pace, etc.)

wow, thanks Roy, this is what I have been harping on for a couple of years.  Defensive rebounding rate is really the only thing that matters.  It takes into account how low we keep the opponent's fg% and leaves out offensive rebounds which we choose not to go after as a strategy matter.  The above site is great, a little confusing though, for anybody that hasn't checked it out or couldn't make sense of it, scroll down to miscellaneous stats, and check DRB%, that is the key stat.  You can click on it and the table will arrange itself by it, and you will see the c's are a surprising 3rd and well above the league average.

Now, this is really the way rebounding stats should always be talked about, in box scores, on TV, etc, always as percentages.  Thanks again Roy, as much as I have been arguing for this I didn't know of resources that did it.  I started a post about this a week or so ago, something like "my annual plea, help rebounding stats make sense," if anybody wants to get in on that argument.  Its about the rate.
 

[Who]

Yeah, the combination of injuries and some iffy performances have the Celtics a lot lower in the rebounding standings than they will be come end of season.

The Celtics are one of the best rebounding teams in the league and once they get Kendrick Perkins back, they could well be the very best rebounding team in the NBA.

Rebounding will only be a long term concern for this team if they are hit badly by injuries. Otherwise, it's a major strength.

[manl_lui]

somehow i think when Perkins comes back, and by Feb/March, when i HOPE JO and Shaq is at least 80%, our defense and rebounding will be pretty scary

[vinnie]

Wow -- I thought I was negative! The team comes off a 3-1 difficult trip, are 8-2, including 5-1 on the road, and people are complaining about the rebound. The Celtics have played and beaten a number of teams that will be in the playoffs or in contention -- far more than the Lakers have played -- are missing their starting center and their key bench player, and are still 8-2. I am amazed at how well this team has started and the road record is outstanding. They could easily be 10-0.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Started off strong last year...until ...what....January, and injuries. Memphis a playoff team, Milwaukee....? Well they haven't been..but they might start. It is good to look at your team / portfolio..even if it is giving good returns....Ask Bernie Madoff's clients...! Zach Randolph did quite well in his rebounding...did you miss that. Memphis is not a premier team...they took us to overtime. If you want to talk the 10 games, they are 4-6....

   Perk coming back.....how was it when kg came back, TA....Perk...we'd be lucky to get him back this year.

[xmuscularghandix]

"All the negativity thats in the board sucks"

Love it! TP!

[xmuscularghandix]

Okay, here is my slant....attempts at offensive rebounds aren't EVER a bad idea....someone like BBD or MD SHOULD be all over them ( LASME )....with pp, ray and kg taking all those shots, there are plenty of nice rebounds there for the taking....lazy guys don't position them selves for rebounds....look at zach randolph last night...THAT is a rebounder....all offensive ones... ( Camby?)  i saw kg shoot 5 from the corner or 45 degree angle....any player knows, go to the long side when the shot is up...that is where it is going...bbd was on the floor..never moved to the spot once...that indicates, no desire, no knowledge, or out of shape…..

We will never be a good offensive rebounding team.

Doc Rivers teaches his teams that it’s more important to get everybody back and prevent easy transition baskets, than it is to send multiple people to the offensive glass in hopes of getting an offensive rebound. I agree with this, sure it can be frustrating at times to see guys running back when we could get it and keep the offense alive… but i’m really diggin’ our transition defense, as an old team the last thing we want is people running at us with odd numbers.

[guava_wrench]

No rebound on a swish.

Having a higher shooting percentage than the opponent means better rebounding than opponents because there are more defensive rebounding opportunities than offensive rebounding opportunities and you have a better chance of getting defensive boards than offensive boards.

There are other factors too. Closing out on shooters and challenging shots could make boxing out tougher.

Sometimes you have to pick your poison.