Is Marquis Danials EVER going to be effective..?

[Tai]

I'm just waiting for the other bench players to get topics about how ineffective or immature they are.

 

[crownsy]

What's up with all the Marquis hate? Am I the only one who thinks he's been playing pretty decently?

I think he's been fine too, playing solid defense and keeping it simple offensively.

Some people aren't satisfied unless a guy is throwing down dunks or making highlight reel plays. I'm very ok with what daniels is doing in his minutes spelling paul and ray.

[Bankshot]

"Is Marquis Danials EVER going to be effective..?"

Do you mean like the first game of the season where he was effective?

[Brendan]

Can we agree on what we'd like him to produce?  Perhaps by the end of the year a stat line like this:

74 games, 24:36 mpg average  

FG's:  2.3/5.6; 41.8%  
3PT: 1.4/3.8; 38.0%  
FT:  1.3/1.6 80.9%
Rebs, Ast, Stl: 4.4, 1.5, 1.0
Points: 7.4

This was Posey off the bench in the title season.  

Quisy's better.  Probably fewer 3 attempts, but as many or more points in as many shots.  Probably more assists, similar steals...

Though I do like the nickname "Smokey Q."

I don't think there is any way Quis gets 24 MPG on this team.

Here's how the lineup shakes out in 7 more games:

The ONeals
KG / BBD
Pierce / Ray Allen
Ray Allen / D West
Rondo / Nate

Once Perk comes back I guess they'll play 5 big men (seems like one of the ONeals will be out every game anyways.) Or maybe they can trade JO.

So I see Quis picking up scraps at SF on nights when there is a big SF in the game. An alternative would be to start Delonte and play Ray Allen as a swing man off the bench, but its too radical for Doc (which is probably a good thing.) I think Quis will be at ~5-10 minutes a night, unless we see a headline like "Delonte gone missing, Wafer suspected."

[Fafnir]

What's up with all the Marquis hate? Am I the only one who thinks he's been playing pretty decently?

He's been solid, I suppose I'm a bit disappointed given how aggressive and effective he was in the pre-season. The only game I wasn't happy with his minutes is when LeBron went off while he was in the game. But honestly that can happen to any SF.

Still he's been solid in his minutes:

5.3 points 53% Shooting 2 rebs .7 assists 1 TO in 16.3 minutes

His per/36 minutes are 11.8 4.4 rebs 1.5 assists 2.2 TOs, in line with his numbers from last year.

[Fafnir]

So I see Quis picking up scraps at SF on nights when there is a big SF in the game.

I think once Delonte is back we'll see Marquis as our primary SF. If anything I think Rondo or Robinson's minutes will go down. Doc has been using Robinson as a backup 2 guard at times.

[Jon]

I just don't know what people want from him.  I think some people want him to put up numbers like he did in Indy.  But on this team, with this many options, it just won't happen.  I mean we have 5 options in the starting lineup who could score 20 points on any given night, and we have 3 more on the bench (and 4 when Delonte comes back) who could do the same. 

If he plays solid defense, takes it to the rim, and makes smart passes, I think he does enough for us. 

[Sizzlack]

Can we agree on what we'd like him to produce?  Perhaps by the end of the year a stat line like this:

74 games, 24:36 mpg average  

FG's:  2.3/5.6; 41.8%  
3PT: 1.4/3.8; 38.0%  
FT:  1.3/1.6 80.9%
Rebs, Ast, Stl: 4.4, 1.5, 1.0
Points: 7.4

This was Posey off the bench in the title season.  

Quisy's better.  Probably fewer 3 attempts, but as many or more points in as many shots.  Probably more assists, similar steals...

Though I do like the nickname "Smokey Q."

I don't think there is any way Quis gets 24 MPG on this team.

Here's how the lineup shakes out in 7 more games:

The ONeals
KG / BBD
Pierce / Ray Allen
Ray Allen / D West
Rondo / Nate

Once Perk comes back I guess they'll play 5 big men (seems like one of the ONeals will be out every game anyways.) Or maybe they can trade JO.

So I see Quis picking up scraps at SF on nights when there is a big SF in the game. An alternative would be to start Delonte and play Ray Allen as a swing man off the bench, but its too radical for Doc (which is probably a good thing.) I think Quis will be at ~5-10 minutes a night, unless we see a headline like "Delonte gone missing, Wafer suspected."

There is 0 chance Doc goes with a 9-man rotation and uses Ray/Paul in a platoon. Literally 0, actually, we'll say 10% chance, and it's only if Marquis regresses to last season form again. He's already proven pretty capable, and Doc is going to start getting Paul/Ray considerable rest as we hit the heart of the season. He does not want them int he mid 30s through the year, 28-30 minutes a night. I also think he has a lot of trust in that second unit, who, when complete and un-injured/suspended have reportedly given the starters a run for their money in practice, and looked fantastic in preseason.

You will absolutely see a line up of Nate, West, Daniels, Baby, and Shaq (or JO, whoever isn't starting) for extended stretches through this year, I would bet anything on that.

[Sizzlack]

So I see Quis picking up scraps at SF on nights when there is a big SF in the game.

I think once Delonte is back we'll see Marquis as our primary SF. If anything I think Rondo or Robinson's minutes will go down. Doc has been using Robinson as a backup 2 guard at times.

Agreed, and I think that's a smart play. Robinson seems to excel in that role, he works well off the ball and finds open space, and he's a very good catch and shoot player.

I think taking the ball out of his hands and letting West be the facilitator at times will do wonders for Robinson, they showed in the preseason that that formula can work quite well, and have a very good chemistry together. I expect big things from that second unit back court over the year. I also expect (pray, wish, hope) that Wafer gets his pink slip once West gets back.

[Fafnir]

So I see Quis picking up scraps at SF on nights when there is a big SF in the game.

I think once Delonte is back we'll see Marquis as our primary SF. If anything I think Rondo or Robinson's minutes will go down. Doc has been using Robinson as a backup 2 guard at times.

Agreed, and I think that's a smart play. Robinson seems to excel in that role, he works well off the ball and finds open space, and he's a very good catch and shoot player.

I really haven't seen this, though I hope you're right.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I'm just waiting for the other bench players to get topics about how ineffective or immature they are.

 

We already did, maybe you missed it. It was about bbd all his previous years. See, it worked, he is now playing to HIS potential, who knows, maybe he has more to give. I also wasn't calling M Daniels immature...!!!

[Fafnir]

I'm just waiting for the other bench players to get topics about how ineffective or immature they are.

 

We already did, maybe you missed it. It was about bbd all his previous years. See, it worked, he is now playing to HIS potential, who knows, maybe he has more to give. I also wasn't calling M Daniels immature...!!!

Marquis is 30 years old, he's developed as much as he's going to as a player.

Though again by my eyes he's been effective this year, if not playing up to his stellar pre-season.

[LooseCannon]

All Marquis Daniels needs to do to be effective is stay healthy and play well enough that Doc won't bench him.  He doesn't have to be an injection of energy or instant offense or a lockdown defender.  He just needs to do his part to keep down the minutes of Pierce and Allen.

[crownsy]

He looked pretty effective to me tonight. Another solid but non- highlight worthy game.

Energy guys are great, and we have too good ones in Baby and Nate, but i like the calm Q brings. You can trust him to not do anything stupid, make the right pass, and be in the right place on rotations. Pretty much what i want out of my 8th-9th man.

[xmuscularghandix]

He looked pretty effective to me tonight. Another solid but non- highlight worthy game.

Energy guys are great, and we have too good ones in Baby and Nate, but i like the calm Q brings. You can trust him to not do anything stupid, make the right pass, and be in the right place on rotations. Pretty much what i want out of my 8th-9th man.

That three and the rebound saved him, he took some questionable ones tonight.