Baby Complaining

[Roy H.]

Didn't BBD play in the first half, when the Celts built a big lead? Or does he get no credit when the team plays well?

[GreenFaith1819]

The one consistent negative I see with Glen is that he is inconsistent. To that measure, I can agree.

Once he gets over that and brings it every night, then like Nick said this man could be in running for 6th Man of The Year.

He certainly seems to be bringing "It" every night here lately. Someone like him can be a huge positive for us in back-to-back games, like tonight. Just shelf KG for most of game and let Glen do his thing.

As he gets older and more experience in the league, he'll continue to work on his inconsistencies.

My only disappointment is, like Chris mentioned earlier - he may very well price himself out of Boston after this season.

If this does happen I'll miss him, like many of us will. Glen Davis fits in well with Boston, and his teammates. It's so hard in the NBA to find the right mix of players, no matter how talented they are.

[GreenFaith1819]

Jevi - I watched most of the game, and from what I saw - I cannot agree with you. Yes, we did lose the lead with Glen in the game, but Glen did in fact make a few good plays for us to preserve this big win.

IMO? We lost the lead due to KG going 4-11 (jitters?), some sloppy TEAM play, and Lebron trying to take over the game.

Not Glen, solely.

KG? Didn't I use to hear that in regards to Sheed as the dilemma, when Baby was on the floor with him? So now it's KG like Rasheed was the problem, here we go again. The whole team struggled like the 2nd unit struggled last year. Why is this hard to notice the cause and result. I don't blame Baby, Doc's the one playing Russian roulette with this team's lead. It's team cohesion, at least admit it's just not there with BCD and the four starters.

Jevi - I used KG just as an example. He more than made up for his shooting performance by out-rebounding MIA and BOS, and rendering Bosh ineffective.

I think you are focused on Glen too much. Most folks can find fault in any player if you look long enough.

[Brendan]

It's one game, but I am thinking more and more that Perk may be the guy who will be traded, if they do decide they need to make a move with one of the big guys at the deadline. 

I think Davis will be gone after this season (price himself out), but he just fits in so well with what this team does, and just gets better and better at playing his role. 

There is a possibility Sheed comes back as backup PF? The problem with Perk is he, Shaq, and JO all need to be in the same area, meaning its hard to play two of the three together. You can probably get away with JO in the high post for short stretches, but its less than ideal. Sheed provides offensive spacing they need from one of their big men, and could pare with JO or Perk effectively on D, but not so much Shaq. A KG / Sheed tandem at PF, and Shaq/JO tandem at center would then make sense, with the centers splitting time evenly, and KG playing 2/3 of the minutes or more at PF.

If that's the scenario - Perk becomes more useful and is likely the less tradeable. Perk could be a needed third string center, since the first two are high risk players. I guess if the team felt strongly about Semir (don't think they do) they could trade both. The question is how quickly can they integrate Sheed and/or Perk? I could see a BBD+Nate trade go down if they needed size at the wing. A guy who could play small PF and backup Pierce would slot in nicely. (I'll admit I'm not a Daniels fan.)

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, since we're discussing Big Men and the future - looks like Greg Oden may be available next year:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/10/26/greg-oden-to-be-restricted-free-agent-next-summer/

[Fan from VT]

I thought Davis played quite well last night. I'm firmly in the camp (for now) of "there may very well be a potential midseason trade in which giving away Davis makes the C's stronger and I don't see him as a top 5 player on a legit playoff team unless the other players are really really really good, i.e. not a true "building block" (which, of course, loosely translates to "Baby Hating").

That being said, I give him credit because I thought he played quite well.

Now here's the thing. Even though he played well, when I looked back at the boxscore, he still amassed 13 points, 5 rebounds, 1 block in 29 minutes. He managed to do so on 6-7 shooting, which is clearly not sustainable. Those are simply not close to "star" or "very good starter" numbers, and that seems to be his ceiling...which is very good as a bench piece. Clearly, if he plays this way all year, he will be a valuable bench piece, and if he was suddenly stripped from our team for nothing, it would hurt. However, if the right trade came along, I still don't think he's irreplaceable; I doubt he'll get traded but if he did, it could improve the team.

[bucknersrevenge]

The Heat pulled within 4 but Big Baby once again stepped up in a big moment. He stepped in to force a charge and scored consecutive buckets down low and effectively shifted the momentum Boston's way.

Same ol...Once again, BCD(Big Collapse Davis) came into the game, we lost the huge lead...again, and he is credited with good play without any acknowledgment that the score was 55-40 before he got in.  Rondo was sitting at 14 assists for a while, the offense looked horrible again. This is my problem with Baby, why are the other 4 struggling with him in there? And why is Doc still watching this rotation lose leads? I understand hack a Shaq didn't help, but not as much as the usual BCD effect. The strength of Heat's run was with him on the floor.

Rivers showed his faith in Davis, playing him for all but 33 seconds of the fourth quarter, when LeBron James reprised his Cavs' role as One Man Wrecking Crew and nearly stole the game.

Coincidence, nope. If you want me to give him credit for his effort when the score got close, sorry, because I was fuming watching this overplayed usual occurrence. Gee, why not play him the whole 4th, probably because Doc wanted to actually win. Hanna, Wilbon and the Jerk thought Doc should of used Shaq a bit more.

"Right now, he's the fifth guy because he knows a lot of our stuff. JO [Jermaine O'Neal] and Shaq will get theirs [minutes], but we've got to make sure we milk Baby until then."

This is exactly why we don't enjoy comfortable leads anymore. BCD is the wrecking ball that hits the lead and everything the starting 4 built. I hope I don't ever see this rotation ever again against an elite opponent. It will just come back to bite us...AGAIN!
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=may_peter&id=5732208

  You somehow felt that Miami's run was unrelated to PP coming out of the game after LeBron ran over him?

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! So underrated is Paul's defense it's scary. No surprise it took LBJ basically elbowing him onto his back and getting him out of the game before James could take over. Baby is in the game so it's HIS fault we lose the lead. That whole Heat comeback was Lebron goin nuts. Was Baby guarding James? No, he wasnt. And neither was Paul.

[bucknersrevenge]

I thought Davis played quite well last night. I'm firmly in the camp (for now) of "there may very well be a potential midseason trade in which giving away Davis makes the C's stronger and I don't see him as a top 5 player on a legit playoff team unless the other players are really really really good, i.e. not a true "building block" (which, of course, loosely translates to "Baby Hating").

That being said, I give him credit because I thought he played quite well.

Now here's the thing. Even though he played well, when I looked back at the boxscore, he still amassed 13 points, 5 rebounds, 1 block in 29 minutes. He managed to do so on 6-7 shooting, which is clearly not sustainable. Those are simply not close to "star" or "very good starter" numbers, and that seems to be his ceiling...which is very good as a bench piece. Clearly, if he plays this way all year, he will be a valuable bench piece, and if he was suddenly stripped from our team for nothing, it would hurt. However, if the right trade came along, I still don't think he's irreplaceable; I doubt he'll get traded but if he did, it could improve the team.

I'd be hard-pressed to see us trading him. Right now I don't see the gains from it. Currently he's our only young big which is important considering the others are all old and can't sustain long minutes. Considering the long comeback for KG, it wouldn't be fair to expect a ton from Perk this year even if he does comeback and certainly nothing substaantial til the playoffs at best. This is a team with eyes on the title. What would we trade him for? Another wing maybe? First we'd have to prove that Daniels/Wafer DWest et al couldn't get it done. We'll see what happens but I'm not worried yet.

[Birdbrain]

It's one game, but I am thinking more and more that Perk may be the guy who will be traded, if they do decide they need to make a move with one of the big guys at the deadline.  

I think Davis will be gone after this season (price himself out), but he just fits in so well with what this team does, and just gets better and better at playing his role.  

I didn't need a game to know he won't be traded.  That would be asinine.  It's actually looking more and more like he'll be starting in a few years.

Jevi(?) you lack the basic understanding it takes to accurately assess BBDs talent.  Which is surprising with how obvious it is.

Baby Hating = Poster A was unable to see the talent so rather than admitting that Poster A is wrong Poster A continues to low ball his talent (still unable to see it actually) because Poster A was wrong from the outset.  It's a vicious circle.

This thread needs nuked out for sheer embarrassment.

Go C's.

[Bankshot]

Well, since we're discussing Big Men and the future - looks like Greg Oden may be available next year:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/10/26/greg-oden-to-be-restricted-free-agent-next-summer/

I hope Danny takes a look at him.  I know he's been a walking injury, but when healthy he's been very good, even at a raw stage. 

[Fafnir]

As I said in the off season, Davis is this team's sixth man and this year could well be in consideration for Sixth Man of the Year Award.

Jevi, I think your rants are going to become very ol,d very fast as Davis shows what a tremendous asset he is.

He won't score enough to get the 6th man award Nick. It always goes to scorers

[j804]

Are the Baby haters still out 

[barefacedmonk]

Are the Baby haters still out 

They had never left.

BBD has his flaws....but he is a solid contributor for this team. A great energy/hustle guy off the bench with a good 12-15 feet jumpshot...what more do you need.

[Fafnir]

Are the Baby haters still out 

They had never left.

BBD has his flaws....but he is a solid contributor for this team. A great energy/hustle guy off the bench with a good 12-15 feet jumpshot...what more do you need.

Adequete jumpshot, he's not consistently good with it.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Are the Baby haters still out 

Maybe Jevi could be considered a "hater", I don't know, but just b/c someone here isn't in love with Davis then it doesn't make them a hater.  

I for one believe that over a large sample size Davis is overrated.  No, that doesn't make me a "hater".  As far as last night's game, he did some things well, but was put in a few bad positions too (i.e. Davis should not be asked to make entry passes to the post.. that was disasterous).  

He was 6 for 7 from the field... that is NOT going to keep up for a full season.  I liked what he brought last night and am happy to have him contributing.