Baby Complaining

[Roy H.]

I can see where Baby is coming from. He was told to play completely differently last season than the year before. The year before he was told to take midrange jumpers. Last year, he was told to work inside while Rasheed stayed on the perimeter.

This year, it would seem he would need to bring back his midrange jumper which he almost never used last season.

I wouldn't say the change was that drastic. Two years ago, 60% of his shots were jumpers. Last year, 43% of his shots were. That's a difference, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he never used his midrange jumper this past season.

Also, what's wrong with a team asking a bench player to become more versatile?

[Drucci]

He's a bum.  We would have traded him already if he had any value whatsoever.  He doesn't.  Everyone else realizes he's a bum.

A bum that stepped up big time in the playoffs in KG's absence, hit a playoffs game winner in a decisive game (and the previous clutch shot) as a sophomore, and who has a tendency to step up his game when the pressure is at its peek and the game really important (he also contributed a lot to winning game 4 of the Finals a few months ago).

Baby can be frustrating with his complaining/whining in the press like this one but I think these quotes are just posturing for his next contract since it's the last year of his deal.

I really would like to keep him as a Celtic, he may be undersized and has flaws but contrary to Shaq or J.O he has fresh legs and he is a real energizer. You need players like that.

[Roy H.]

He's a bum.  We would have traded him already if he had any value whatsoever.  He doesn't.  Everyone else realizes he's a bum.

A bum that stepped up big time in the playoffs in KG's absence, hit a playoffs game winner in a decisive game (and the previous clutch shot) as a sophomore, and who has a tendency to step up his game when the pressure is at its peek and the game really important (he also contributed a lot to winning game 4 of the Finals a few months ago.

At the same time, he came up pretty small in Games 5 through 7.  He had six combined points in 51 minutes over those games, when we desparately needed a scoring boost.

All players have slumps, and BBD is no exception. I think the reputation he has of 'always coming up big' is anecdotal and undeserved.

[Drucci]

He's a bum.  We would have traded him already if he had any value whatsoever.  He doesn't.  Everyone else realizes he's a bum.

A bum that stepped up big time in the playoffs in KG's absence, hit a playoffs game winner in a decisive game (and the previous clutch shot) as a sophomore, and who has a tendency to step up his game when the pressure is at its peek and the game really important (he also contributed a lot to winning game 4 of the Finals a few months ago.

At the same time, he came up pretty small in Games 5 through 7.  He had six combined points in 51 minutes over those games, when we desparately needed a scoring boost.

All players have slumps, and BBD is no exception. I think the reputation he has of 'always coming up big' is anecdotal and undeserved.

Yeah, Baby is inconsistent, it's one of his biggest flaws, but at the same time he is a bench player so it's OK. I don't think the reputation of "always coming up big" is undeserved. What I mean by that is that game 4 was definitely a must-win, if we lost it the Finals were over going back to L.A. He came through at an unexpected time, in the 3rd and 4th quarters and led the 2nd unit (and the team) to a win when the game was still undecided.

Sure, he was transparent in game 5 (but not needed because the starting 5 was doing fine), game 6 (not a "must-win") and game 7 (we sure could have used his offense, frankly I don't remember what he did in this game, he didn't play much probably because he played bad, yeah).

I'm not trying to make Baby what he is not (i.e a "star") but I find it pretty much absurd to call him a "bum". He is inconsistent and does not always perform at the level we would want him to, and he can be a black hole on offense, but you can't deny he comes through in big games. And he usually responds when he is asked to raise his level. By big game I think more of must-win games or games where he makes an impact in decisive moments : like game 2 of the Miami series when KG was out, he did a superb job replacing him, or games 4 and 5 of the Cleveland series where he sealed both victories in the 4th quarter with critical 2+1 plays).

[Roy H.]

He's a bum.  We would have traded him already if he had any value whatsoever.  He doesn't.  Everyone else realizes he's a bum.

A bum that stepped up big time in the playoffs in KG's absence, hit a playoffs game winner in a decisive game (and the previous clutch shot) as a sophomore, and who has a tendency to step up his game when the pressure is at its peek and the game really important (he also contributed a lot to winning game 4 of the Finals a few months ago.

At the same time, he came up pretty small in Games 5 through 7.  He had six combined points in 51 minutes over those games, when we desparately needed a scoring boost.

All players have slumps, and BBD is no exception. I think the reputation he has of 'always coming up big' is anecdotal and undeserved.

Yeah, Baby is inconsistent, it's one of his biggest flaws, but at the same time he is a bench player so it's OK. I don't think the reputation of "always coming up big" is undeserved. What I mean by that is that game 4 was definitely a must-win, if we lost it the Finals were over going back to L.A. He came through at an unexpected time, in the 3rd and 4th quarters and led the 2nd unit (and the team) to a win when the game was still undecided.

Sure, he was transparent in game 5 (but not needed because the starting 5 was doing fine), game 6 (not a "must-win") and game 7 (we sure could have used his offense, frankly I don't remember what he did in this game, he didn't play much probably because he played bad, yeah).

I'm not trying to make Baby what he is not (i.e a "star") but I find it pretty much absurd to call him a "bum". He is inconsistent and does not always perform at the level we would want him to, and he can be a black hole on offense, but you can't deny he comes through in big games. And he usually responds when he is asked to raise his level. By big game I think more of must-win games or games where he makes an impact in decisive moments : like game 2 of the Miami series when KG was out, he did a superb job replacing him, or games 4 and 5 of the Cleveland series where he sealed both victories in the 4th quarter with critical 2+1 plays).

I definitely don't think he's a "bum", on average.  I do think he's replaceable, though, and I'm very hopeful that Perk can re-earn his starting role, so that J.O. can become our backup PF.  

I personally think BBD is a 4th or 5th big, and in that role, he's great.  If he honestly think that he's on Shaq's or J.O.'s level, though, he's delusional.

As for the "big games" thing, I think he comes through in some big games, and doesn't in others, like most players.  Again, we can't say "he came up big in Game 4, because he's super clutch", while ignoring that he was nowhere to be found in Games 6 and 7 of the Finals (two hugely important games.)

[Drucci]

He's a bum.  We would have traded him already if he had any value whatsoever.  He doesn't.  Everyone else realizes he's a bum.

A bum that stepped up big time in the playoffs in KG's absence, hit a playoffs game winner in a decisive game (and the previous clutch shot) as a sophomore, and who has a tendency to step up his game when the pressure is at its peek and the game really important (he also contributed a lot to winning game 4 of the Finals a few months ago.

At the same time, he came up pretty small in Games 5 through 7.  He had six combined points in 51 minutes over those games, when we desparately needed a scoring boost.

All players have slumps, and BBD is no exception. I think the reputation he has of 'always coming up big' is anecdotal and undeserved.

Yeah, Baby is inconsistent, it's one of his biggest flaws, but at the same time he is a bench player so it's OK. I don't think the reputation of "always coming up big" is undeserved. What I mean by that is that game 4 was definitely a must-win, if we lost it the Finals were over going back to L.A. He came through at an unexpected time, in the 3rd and 4th quarters and led the 2nd unit (and the team) to a win when the game was still undecided.

Sure, he was transparent in game 5 (but not needed because the starting 5 was doing fine), game 6 (not a "must-win") and game 7 (we sure could have used his offense, frankly I don't remember what he did in this game, he didn't play much probably because he played bad, yeah).

I'm not trying to make Baby what he is not (i.e a "star") but I find it pretty much absurd to call him a "bum". He is inconsistent and does not always perform at the level we would want him to, and he can be a black hole on offense, but you can't deny he comes through in big games. And he usually responds when he is asked to raise his level. By big game I think more of must-win games or games where he makes an impact in decisive moments : like game 2 of the Miami series when KG was out, he did a superb job replacing him, or games 4 and 5 of the Cleveland series where he sealed both victories in the 4th quarter with critical 2+1 plays).

I definitely don't think he's a "bum", on average.  I do think he's replaceable, though, and I'm very hopeful that Perk can re-earn his starting role, so that J.O. can become our backup PF. 

I personally think BBD is a 4th or 5th big, and in that role, he's great.  If he honestly think that he's on Shaq's or J.O.'s level, though, he's delusional.

Yeah I agree that he is definitely replaceable, and that J.O and Shaq make him kind of redundant once Perkins comes back (and for the next two years). So I would be fine if we traded him to get a wing. Still, he is valuable to this team, of course for the months to come because we won't have Perk so our big men rotation will be thin, but it's also a preferable option (in my opinion) to have a young and energetic big man, with his flaws and the fact that he is undersized, instead of two players who are either old or have injury issues.

[Bankshot]

Didn't sound like he was complaining to me.

[Roy H.]

Didn't sound like he was complaining to me.

How so?  One of his comments was:

"It's difficult because, as a player, you kind of don't understand where [the organization is] going or what they are doing. No matter what I do -- I can play great -- it's still not enough.

To me, that sounds like a complaint.  Doc took it that way, saying that BBD was "living up to his nickname" (i.e., being a baby) and indicating that BBD was trying to get headlines.

[Bankshot]

Didn't sound like he was complaining to me.

How so?  One of his comments was:

"It's difficult because, as a player, you kind of don't understand where [the organization is] going or what they are doing. No matter what I do -- I can play great -- it's still not enough.

To me, that sounds like a complaint.  Doc took it that way, saying that BBD was "living up to his nickname" (i.e., being a baby) and indicating that BBD was trying to get headlines.

To me it doesn't.  Just because he's stating that he's not sure about his role doesn't mean he's complaining, especially considering what he says immediately thereafter.  And I can't tell from the story if he was asked that question or not.  He probably was.

I have to find out what my role is this year,” Davis said. “With Rasheed last year, I had to become a center. Now, I don’t know. Do I become a 4 now? Do I go back to playing the 4? We’ll see.”

With training camp beginning tomorrow, Davis is hoping for an answer about his role.

“It’s going to go through some ups and downs with me and Doc (Rivers), but that’s what it is,” Davis said. “As long as I find out what my role is, I’m going to do my role and that’s it.”

Though Davis is trying to keep the focus on the team, he can’t ignore the fact that he’ll be a free agent after this season.

“You just do what you’re supposed to do, the basketball gods will reward you,” Davis said. “Don’t play somebody you’re not. Play who you are and play within the team, sacrifice yourself and on the other end, things will work out your way. I’m just trying to look at this situation positive. I’m not even looking at a contract year. At the same time, I am. But if I sit there and focus on that, I’m not focused on my team and that takes away from not only winning, but also this (team).”

And people have to know by now that Davis is going to say whatever is on his mind when a microphone is shoved in his face, whether it should be said out loud or not.

[Fafnir]

He's a bum.  We would have traded him already if he had any value whatsoever.  He doesn't.  Everyone else realizes he's a bum.

A bum that stepped up big time in the playoffs in KG's absence, hit a playoffs game winner in a decisive game (and the previous clutch shot) as a sophomore, and who has a tendency to step up his game when the pressure is at its peek and the game really important (he also contributed a lot to winning game 4 of the Finals a few months ago.

At the same time, he came up pretty small in Games 5 through 7.  He had six combined points in 51 minutes over those games, when we desparately needed a scoring boost.

All players have slumps, and BBD is no exception. I think the reputation he has of 'always coming up big' is anecdotal and undeserved.

Yeah, Baby is inconsistent, it's one of his biggest flaws, but at the same time he is a bench player so it's OK. I don't think the reputation of "always coming up big" is undeserved. What I mean by that is that game 4 was definitely a must-win, if we lost it the Finals were over going back to L.A. He came through at an unexpected time, in the 3rd and 4th quarters and led the 2nd unit (and the team) to a win when the game was still undecided.

Sure, he was transparent in game 5 (but not needed because the starting 5 was doing fine), game 6 (not a "must-win") and game 7 (we sure could have used his offense, frankly I don't remember what he did in this game, he didn't play much probably because he played bad, yeah).

I'm not trying to make Baby what he is not (i.e a "star") but I find it pretty much absurd to call him a "bum". He is inconsistent and does not always perform at the level we would want him to, and he can be a black hole on offense, but you can't deny he comes through in big games. And he usually responds when he is asked to raise his level. By big game I think more of must-win games or games where he makes an impact in decisive moments : like game 2 of the Miami series when KG was out, he did a superb job replacing him, or games 4 and 5 of the Cleveland series where he sealed both victories in the 4th quarter with critical 2+1 plays).

I definitely don't think he's a "bum", on average.  I do think he's replaceable, though, and I'm very hopeful that Perk can re-earn his starting role, so that J.O. can become our backup PF.  

I personally think BBD is a 4th or 5th big, and in that role, he's great.  If he honestly think that he's on Shaq's or J.O.'s level, though, he's delusional.

As for the "big games" thing, I think he comes through in some big games, and doesn't in others, like most players.  Again, we can't say "he came up big in Game 4, because he's super clutch", while ignoring that he was nowhere to be found in Games 6 and 7 of the Finals (two hugely important games.)

9 rebounds, 6 points on 50% FG and 100% FT in 21 minutes isn't nowhere Roy.

He wasn't great that game, but he did his part. He scored when he took shots and he got rebounds. We needed rebounds as much as we needed scoring.

[winsomme]

Doc doesn't sound happy:

Doc Rivers didn’t take too well to Glen Davis’ remarks from Media Day.

Big Baby seemed a bit upset that he didn’t know what the team specifically want from him this season.

“I’m not even worried about Glen Davis,” Rivers said today after the first practice of training camp. “I think he’s living up to his (nickname) again. Somebody just told me, and I’m not that concerned.

“If Baby doesn’t know his role by now, he’s going to be sitting down a lot. I just leave it simple. I just move on. I told him before, his role is the same as it’s been for three years. I think he likes us talking about it. That’s Glen.”

Danny Ainge, however, sees Davis’ uncertainty as a positive, in that it means he is a versatile talent.

Link.

well said, Doc. I've been a big supporter of Baby over the years, but maybe it's time to move on and trade him.

He clearly is worried about getting PT in his free agent season, so maybe a trade for true SF or a SF/PF type would good for both sides.

[Who]

I don't think he'll ask for a trade. He'll be receiving regular playing time up until Perk's return which could be close to the trading deadline. Davis should be happy enough until then. I expect him to be with the squad for the entire season.

Hard to see Glen Davis re-signing with the C's next season though. Not enough playing time or opportunities here with Jermaine and Shaq coming on board.

Likely his last season playing for the Celtics.

[Cman]

I think this teams should stay away from any type of teammate mother relationships. 

could be touch with delonte around...

[wdleehi]

I think this teams should stay away from any type of teammate mother relationships. 

could be touch with delonte around...

No no.  He has an opponent mother relationship now. 

[EJPLAYA]

He's a bum.  We would have traded him already if he had any value whatsoever.  He doesn't.  Everyone else realizes he's a bum.

A bum that stepped up big time in the playoffs in KG's absence, hit a playoffs game winner in a decisive game (and the previous clutch shot) as a sophomore, and who has a tendency to step up his game when the pressure is at its peek and the game really important (he also contributed a lot to winning game 4 of the Finals a few months ago.

At the same time, he came up pretty small in Games 5 through 7.  He had six combined points in 51 minutes over those games, when we desparately needed a scoring boost.

All players have slumps, and BBD is no exception. I think the reputation he has of 'always coming up big' is anecdotal and undeserved.

Yeah, Baby is inconsistent, it's one of his biggest flaws, but at the same time he is a bench player so it's OK. I don't think the reputation of "always coming up big" is undeserved. What I mean by that is that game 4 was definitely a must-win, if we lost it the Finals were over going back to L.A. He came through at an unexpected time, in the 3rd and 4th quarters and led the 2nd unit (and the team) to a win when the game was still undecided.

Sure, he was transparent in game 5 (but not needed because the starting 5 was doing fine), game 6 (not a "must-win") and game 7 (we sure could have used his offense, frankly I don't remember what he did in this game, he didn't play much probably because he played bad, yeah).

I'm not trying to make Baby what he is not (i.e a "star") but I find it pretty much absurd to call him a "bum". He is inconsistent and does not always perform at the level we would want him to, and he can be a black hole on offense, but you can't deny he comes through in big games. And he usually responds when he is asked to raise his level. By big game I think more of must-win games or games where he makes an impact in decisive moments : like game 2 of the Miami series when KG was out, he did a superb job replacing him, or games 4 and 5 of the Cleveland series where he sealed both victories in the 4th quarter with critical 2+1 plays).

I definitely don't think he's a "bum", on average.  I do think he's replaceable, though, and I'm very hopeful that Perk can re-earn his starting role, so that J.O. can become our backup PF.  

I personally think BBD is a 4th or 5th big, and in that role, he's great.  If he honestly think that he's on Shaq's or J.O.'s level, though, he's delusional.

As for the "big games" thing, I think he comes through in some big games, and doesn't in others, like most players.  Again, we can't say "he came up big in Game 4, because he's super clutch", while ignoring that he was nowhere to be found in Games 6 and 7 of the Finals (two hugely important games.)

9 rebounds, 6 points on 50% FG and 100% FT in 21 minutes isn't nowhere Roy.

He wasn't great that game, but he did his part. He scored when he took shots and he got rebounds. We needed rebounds as much as we needed scoring.

Rebounds are a moot point if they are offensive ones under your own basket and you proceed to force a follow up shot up and get it blocked or miss wildly. People on here way overvalue his offensive rebounding since they typically result in a turnover or a miss. That gives us nothing.

I admire the guys hustle on the floor. I admire the way he is able to body up big guys. He is actually pretty good when getting the ball about 10 feet out and attacking the rim from there. Other than that he doesn't really give you much. Solid, but not by any stretch anything special. There are lots of players in the league that put up as good or better numbers than he does. The guy only averaged 3.8 boards a game last season and just under that for his career. The legend of BBD and his production is almost as big as Tony Allens!