Why are Kobe's accomplishments seen to be better than Shaq's?

[guava_wrench]

I don't think Kobe's accomplishments are seen to be better. I just think that he is younger and people's memories can be short when making lists.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Ppl talk about Shaq being in shape or not at times (I agree of course, he admitted it b4) but Shaq has lasted a long ass time, playing better than a lot of C at this age... I think Shaq has kept himself in very nice shape throughout his career. Ppl just make a bigger deal out of his weight than reality!  Shaq has had injuries these past few seasons (excluding the last in Phoenix) but I can't think of any (MAYBE the last season on the H***, but I think that was more TRADE ME... I'm too old, how you gonna try me with these BS players not named Wade... I only have a few more good yrs left! Hasn't done good in winning chips since, but staying would've been worse) being because he was out of shape.

Okay... to the topic:

I'll never knock Kobe's skill as a player BUT... when Shaq was a Laker, Kobe who? Had Shaq been the younger of the two, it woulda been ADIOS to Kobe! I LOVE SHAQ... but you think as an owner at that time I'm giving up a YOUNG really good player with a high ceiling (the dude is gd hate 'em or... bleh nvm) for Shaq? If I'm not ME (Shaq lover w/ semi-rose-colored glasses on) at the time... hell no! 

[guava_wrench]

Ppl talk about Shaq being in shape or not at times (I agree of course, he admitted it b4) but Shaq has lasted a long ass time, playing better than a lot of C at this age... I think Shaq has kept himself in very nice shape throughout his career. Ppl just make a bigger deal out of his weight than reality!  Shaq has had injuries these past few seasons (excluding the last in Phoenix) but I can't think of any (MAYBE the last season on the H***, but I think that was more TRADE ME... I'm too old, how you gonna try me with these BS players not named Wade... I only have a few more good yrs left! Hasn't done good in winning chips since, but staying would've been worse) being because he was out of shape.

Okay... to the topic:

I'll never knock Kobe's skill as a player BUT... when Shaq was a Laker, Kobe who? Had Shaq been the younger of the two, it woulda been ADIOS to Kobe! I LOVE SHAQ... but you think as an owner at that time I'm giving up a YOUNG really good player with a high ceiling (the dude is gd hate 'em or... bleh nvm) for Shaq? If I'm not ME (Shaq lover w/ semi-rose-colored glasses on) at the time... hell no! 

I definitely agree with you on the Shaq weight criticisms. They seem a bit unreasonable to be.

[aporel#18]

Co-b is still Robin... like it or not, the most consistent player in the Lakers is Gasol, who provides skills, rebounding, passing and double teams, making AndrewKareemWilt Bynum look a lot better than he really is.

Co-b could be replaced by LeQueen, and the Lakers would be unstoppable. It took a cheap shot from Artest to Ray Allen, an uglier cheap shot from Co-b to Perk, and the strangest officiating to keep the Celtics from winning that series.

Shaq was the main reason for his 4 rings, Co-b isn't. D-Fisher and Artest clutch shots and perimeter defense are as important as Co-b making impossible shots.

Wow again - do you seriously believe Perk's injury was due to a "cheap shot from Co-b"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4geaMUOX3w

at 00:44 you can see Co-b doing the "Bruce Bowen play". But maybe you are right, and his right knee has its own will, just like Lebron's elbow.

If it was Bruce Bowen instead of Co-b (or Robin if you like it more), that play would be an example of dirty play. At the time, some people blamed it on Bynum, but you can see they are just fighting for the ball. Perk can't land because of "the knee".

Finally, you can see guilty written all over Robin's face, when he looks at the ref.

It's over, the Lakers got their 15th ring, but this is also a part of the game.

[screwedupmaniac]

Shaq's accomplishments are with different teams; it's rare in the NBA these days to see a player stay with the same team his whole career and win 5 championships with that team. Kobe's the face of the second greatest basketball team in the world. That is why his accomplishments are seen to be better than Shaq's.

[nba is the worst]

Co-b is still Robin... like it or not, the most consistent player in the Lakers is Gasol, who provides skills, rebounding, passing and double teams, making AndrewKareemWilt Bynum look a lot better than he really is.

Co-b could be replaced by LeQueen, and the Lakers would be unstoppable. It took a cheap shot from Artest to Ray Allen, an uglier cheap shot from Co-b to Perk, and the strangest officiating to keep the Celtics from winning that series.

Shaq was the main reason for his 4 rings, Co-b isn't. D-Fisher and Artest clutch shots and perimeter defense are as important as Co-b making impossible shots.

Wow again - do you seriously believe Perk's injury was due to a "cheap shot from Co-b"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4geaMUOX3w

at 00:44 you can see Co-b doing the "Bruce Bowen play". But maybe you are right, and his right knee has its own will, just like Lebron's elbow.

If it was Bruce Bowen instead of Co-b (or Robin if you like it more), that play would be an example of dirty play. At the time, some people blamed it on Bynum, but you can see they are just fighting for the ball. Perk can't land because of "the knee".

Finally, you can see guilty written all over Robin's face, when he looks at the ref.

It's over, the Lakers got their 15th ring, but this is also a part of the game.

I've seen this multiple times. Kobe went for the ball, there was incidental contact. Bowen would undercut JUMPSHOOTERS - this was under the basket- not comparable. To claim that Kobe somehow intentionally was trying to hurt Perk is incorrect and sad. And all I can see is Kobe working the refs (as usual) after the play - no way he looks "guilty".

Your take is just "lame"...

[aporel#18]

I've seen this multiple times. Kobe went for the ball, there was incidental contact. Bowen would undercut JUMPSHOOTERS - this was under the basket- not comparable. To claim that Kobe somehow intentionally was trying to hurt Perk is incorrect and sad. And all I can see is Kobe working the refs (as usual) after the play - no way he looks "guilty".

Your take is just "lame"...

thanks for your interesting and well-reasoned argument.

In the end, Perk couldn't land the right way, and tore his ligaments, and the reason for that was "the knee".

have a nice day.

[guava_wrench]

Co-b is still Robin... like it or not, the most consistent player in the Lakers is Gasol, who provides skills, rebounding, passing and double teams, making AndrewKareemWilt Bynum look a lot better than he really is.

Co-b could be replaced by LeQueen, and the Lakers would be unstoppable. It took a cheap shot from Artest to Ray Allen, an uglier cheap shot from Co-b to Perk, and the strangest officiating to keep the Celtics from winning that series.

Shaq was the main reason for his 4 rings, Co-b isn't. D-Fisher and Artest clutch shots and perimeter defense are as important as Co-b making impossible shots.

Wow again - do you seriously believe Perk's injury was due to a "cheap shot from Co-b"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4geaMUOX3w

at 00:44 you can see Co-b doing the "Bruce Bowen play". But maybe you are right, and his right knee has its own will, just like Lebron's elbow.

If it was Bruce Bowen instead of Co-b (or Robin if you like it more), that play would be an example of dirty play. At the time, some people blamed it on Bynum, but you can see they are just fighting for the ball. Perk can't land because of "the knee".

Finally, you can see guilty written all over Robin's face, when he looks at the ref.

It's over, the Lakers got their 15th ring, but this is also a part of the game.

I've seen this multiple times. Kobe went for the ball, there was incidental contact. Bowen would undercut JUMPSHOOTERS - this was under the basket- not comparable. To claim that Kobe somehow intentionally was trying to hurt Perk is incorrect and sad. And all I can see is Kobe working the refs (as usual) after the play - no way he looks "guilty".

Your take is just "lame"...

I have to agree with your take on the Perk injury. Just a normal basketball play.

Bowen not only regularly slid his foot under jumpshooters; he also liked to kick feet. The worst instance was when he kicked Amare's foot from behind in the playoffs as Amare was jumping to finish inside. Amare had just returned from knee surgury.

I remember another instance when he kicked Nash's foot out from under him as Nash dribbled by. Seriously no class on the court.

[LilRip]

Co-b is still Robin... like it or not, the most consistent player in the Lakers is Gasol, who provides skills, rebounding, passing and double teams, making AndrewKareemWilt Bynum look a lot better than he really is.

Co-b could be replaced by LeQueen, and the Lakers would be unstoppable. It took a cheap shot from Artest to Ray Allen, an uglier cheap shot from Co-b to Perk, and the strangest officiating to keep the Celtics from winning that series.

Shaq was the main reason for his 4 rings, Co-b isn't. D-Fisher and Artest clutch shots and perimeter defense are as important as Co-b making impossible shots.

Wow again - do you seriously believe Perk's injury was due to a "cheap shot from Co-b"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4geaMUOX3w

at 00:44 you can see Co-b doing the "Bruce Bowen play". But maybe you are right, and his right knee has its own will, just like Lebron's elbow.

If it was Bruce Bowen instead of Co-b (or Robin if you like it more), that play would be an example of dirty play. At the time, some people blamed it on Bynum, but you can see they are just fighting for the ball. Perk can't land because of "the knee".

Finally, you can see guilty written all over Robin's face, when he looks at the ref.

It's over, the Lakers got their 15th ring, but this is also a part of the game.

while i dislike Kobe, there's no dirty play there. it was a bad landing.



- LilRip

[LB3533]

I really feel like if we didn't sleep walk through the regular season, the playoffs would have been much easier on us.

We wouldn't have gone 6 games with Cleveland or Orlando.

[housecall]

Kobe's accomplishments are in your face more recent than Shaq's...and Kobe has remained with a team considered to be #1 or 2,3 in the league throughout his career.