Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.

[kofanis0880]

Bullspit. Simply not accurate.

LEAST PRODUCTIVE?   Who dares say that?  What Celtic Bashing
Website provided the statistics?    Balderdash!!   Dada Nada!


Facts:  Brian Scalabrine was the most overpaid bench player
that money could buy since, Jon Koncak left Atlanta.

Brian Scalabrine was the most effective Mascot the Celtics have ever had, saving Lucky the Leprechaun.

Brian Scalabrine was more effective at towel waving than than even M.L. Carr.  (on a more rotation per minute basis).

Brian Scalabrine was the best red headed basketball player who possessed
 the least amount of vertical jumping ability,  dribbling skills, ability to defend or score,
Ever, and I mean ever to play the game.


First Dennis Rodman.
Now Brian Scalabrine!

They will do anything to keep these guys out of the hall of fame!


I say its simply:       Stupiculous!!!!

I agree awesome post. TP

[PosImpos]

And Scal "knows how to play the game"? I mean - yes, he does. So does...everybody in the NBA. He may mentally have a good grasp of the NBA but it never translated on the court.

a) no, not everybody in the NBA knows how to play basketball.  by knowing how to play i mean understanding offensive plays and defensive schemes, understanding how to play effectively in a team system, not just how to take a guy 1 on 1 like it's a pick-up game at the gym.  there are a lot of fringe players and prospects in the league who don't have a great grasp of how to play the game in a team system, and that's how Scal largely sets himself apart as a end-of-the-roster guy.


b) It did translate onto the court, which is why he got playing time in the first place.

It's like other people have mentioned - during his time here Scal was often able to step into the starting lineup and not completely bring the team down.  Some of our most productive lineups (albeit in limited minutes) actually involved Scal, if I recall correctly.  

Most fringe players - your Semih Erdens, your Sean Mays, your Mikki Moores, your Sean Williams' etc - can't play in a system and lack basic game knowledge, which is why they don't see the floor despite their physical gifts.

[Brendan]

To me a rotation player is someone who gets regular minutes (10+) when everyone is healthy in non-blow out games. The fact that he got some minutes when there was a blow out or injuries makes him a reserve. But there were a lot of games when he was cheer leading or bench warming - a lot of those times in street clothes.

Scal's best moments on the team he was a reserve, often less. I stand by my original statement.

  Your description of Scal (he got some minutes when there was a blow out or injuries) is a lot more fitting for JR Giddens or Gabe Pruitt. Scal averaged about 50 games and about 700 minutes a year for the Celts. He'd have averaged 50 games and 10+ minutes during our title contender years if not for his concussion issues. I'm not interested in whether or not he's a rotation player or a reserve as they mean different things to different people. But coming up with an arbitrary description of what a rotation player is and saying "On what planet was Scal a rotation player" based on that seems a little over the top.

I guess agree to disagree - those minutes are inflated from when he played a lot because of injuries and his early years. I could see the argument for Scal as a rotation player in his first two years, but not in the later. The on one planet line was meant to express my own disagreement with Scal being classified as rotation material, not to disparage the original poster.

To me it's simple - rotation guys are the top 9 guys: four bigs, 2 or 3 wings, 2 or 4 guards.

[Tai]

And Scal "knows how to play the game"? I mean - yes, he does. So does...everybody in the NBA. He may mentally have a good grasp of the NBA but it never translated on the court.

a) no, not everybody in the NBA knows how to play basketball.  by knowing how to play i mean understanding offensive plays and defensive schemes, understanding how to play effectively in a team system, not just how to take a guy 1 on 1 like it's a pick-up game at the gym.  there are a lot of fringe players and prospects in the league who don't have a great grasp of how to play the game in a team system, and that's how Scal largely sets himself apart as a end-of-the-roster guy.


b) It did translate onto the court, which is why he got playing time in the first place.

It's like other people have mentioned - during his time here Scal was often able to step into the starting lineup and not completely bring the team down.  Some of our most productive lineups (albeit in limited minutes) actually involved Scal, if I recall correctly.  

Most fringe players - your Semih Erdens, your Sean Mays, your Mikki Moores, your Sean Williams' etc - can't play in a system and lack basic game knowledge, which is why they don't see the floor despite their physical gifts.

I don't think Mikki Moore really fits that category. He was simply undersized. It can be argued that he was just a taller Scal with lesser range.

[vinnie]

Two words: Scal's gone
Two more words: I'm Happy

[soap07]

"OTOH, Doc couldn't get away with putting Moore on the floor to spell the starters because he was such a liability. Scal played 245 minutes to Moore's 65. The team was -5 overall during Scal's 245 minutes and -34 in Moore's 65 minutes. Take Moore every day of the week, and the team that takes Scal will have a pretty big advantage between those two."

+/- in a vacuum is a terrible stat and I bet that you know that. Mikki didn't play well as a Celtic, that's for sure. However, I will not judge either player's abilities based on a small stretch of games in a long career. I will take the whole career and say that Mikki is a better player than Scalabrine, although neither should be in an NBA rotation.

  Yes, +/- in a vacuum is a terrible stat, but it wasn't really in a vacuum, it was directly reflective of the obvious. The differential in minutes was reflective of the same thing. The point of the post was that PER in a vacuum is also a terrible stat. You were showing Mikki was more productive than Scal based on a better PER (12.5 to 7.6) while I was illustrating that Moore had a much larger PER advantage over Scal in the 09 playoffs (15.7 to 7.4) and was, by all accounts, significantly worse in spite of that advantage.

PER in a tiny vacuum in a small stretch of games is useless. However, over thousands of minutes, it is far more indicative of on-the-court contributions. Over their careers, Scalabrine has been far outplayed by Mikki.

  a) no, not everybody in the NBA knows how to play basketball.  by knowing how to play i mean understanding offensive plays and defensive schemes, understanding how to play effectively in a team system, not just how to take a guy 1 on 1 like it's a pick-up game at the gym.  there are a lot of fringe players and prospects in the league who don't have a great grasp of how to play the game in a team system, and that's how Scal largely sets himself apart as a end-of-the-roster guy.

I'd agree with this - although I'd add that this discussion is in relation to Scal as a rotation player, not Scal as an end-of-the roster guy. If we're talking about Scal in terms of when he was a rotation player, he is one of the worst in Celtics history, which was the point of the OP.

Most fringe players - your Semih Erdens, your Sean Mays, your Mikki Moores, your Sean Williams' etc - can't play in a system and lack basic game knowledge, which is why they don't see the floor despite their physical gifts.

I'd like to note that Mikki Moore has played almost twice the amount of minutes in his NBA career than Scal has.

[housecall]

"OTOH, Doc couldn't get away with putting Moore on the floor to spell the starters because he was such a liability. Scal played 245 minutes to Moore's 65. The team was -5 overall during Scal's 245 minutes and -34 in Moore's 65 minutes. Take Moore every day of the week, and the team that takes Scal will have a pretty big advantage between those two."

+/- in a vacuum is a terrible stat and I bet that you know that. Mikki didn't play well as a Celtic, that's for sure. However, I will not judge either player's abilities based on a small stretch of games in a long career. I will take the whole career and say that Mikki is a better player than Scalabrine, although neither should be in an NBA rotation.

  Yes, +/- in a vacuum is a terrible stat, but it wasn't really in a vacuum, it was directly reflective of the obvious. The differential in minutes was reflective of the same thing. The point of the post was that PER in a vacuum is also a terrible stat. You were showing Mikki was more productive than Scal based on a better PER (12.5 to 7.6) while I was illustrating that Moore had a much larger PER advantage over Scal in the 09 playoffs (15.7 to 7.4) and was, by all accounts, significantly worse in spite of that advantage.

PER in a tiny vacuum in a small stretch of games is useless. However, over thousands of minutes, it is far more indicative of on-the-court contributions. Over their careers, Scalabrine has been far outplayed by Mikki.

 a) no, not everybody in the NBA knows how to play basketball.  by knowing how to play i mean understanding offensive plays and defensive schemes, understanding how to play effectively in a team system, not just how to take a guy 1 on 1 like it's a pick-up game at the gym.  there are a lot of fringe players and prospects in the league who don't have a great grasp of how to play the game in a team system, and that's how Scal largely sets himself apart as a end-of-the-roster guy.

I'd agree with this - although I'd add that this discussion is in relation to Scal as a rotation player, not Scal as an end-of-the roster guy. If we're talking about Scal in terms of when he was a rotation player, he is one of the worst in Celtics history, which was the point of the OP.

Most fringe players - your Semih Erdens, your Sean Mays, your Mikki Moores, your Sean Williams' etc - can't play in a system and lack basic game knowledge, which is why they don't see the floor despite their physical gifts.

I'd like to note that Mikki Moore has played almost twice the amount of minutes in his NBA career than Scal has.

And i'd like to note Scal made 17mil.(highway robbery)while playing as a Celtics and Moore didn't...and as a side note L.Bird made approx.19mil his entire career.Now those numbers are what make me question GM's,owners,etc.Scalabrine was not worth anywhere close to 17mil.on this team.Those  are the types of contracts like Scal had that keep teams hamstrung from making other deals sometimes...thats the part i hated about the Scal situation.  

[Meadowlark_Scal]

If Scal is all you say he is...this stalwart of defense and solid play.......WHY doesn't SOME team sign him....? ~50 teams out there..are they all dumb..?  Why the heck did Denver rush to sign Sheldon........must be crazy.....huh....

[Roy H.]

If Scal is all you say he is...this stalwart of defense and solid play.......WHY doesn't SOME team sign him....? ~50 teams out there..are they all dumb..?  Why the heck did Denver rush to sign Sheldon........must be crazy.....huh....

Chicago signed him this week.

[guava_wrench]

If Scal is all you say he is...this stalwart of defense and solid play.......WHY doesn't SOME team sign him....? ~50 teams out there..are they all dumb..?  Why the heck did Denver rush to sign Sheldon........must be crazy.....huh....

Add ti that the reality that a lot of people thought we were dumb for having him on our team in the first place.

How did you get 50 teams?

[ACF]

Two words: Scal's gone
Two more words: I'm Happy

Technically speaking, those are three (and three) words 

[Meadowlark_Scal]

If Scal is all you say he is...this stalwart of defense and solid play.......WHY doesn't SOME team sign him....? ~50 teams out there..are they all dumb..?  Why the heck did Denver rush to sign Sheldon........must be crazy.....huh....

Add ti that the reality that a lot of people thought we were dumb for having him on our team in the first place.

How did you get 50 teams?

Details....  ~    means "about" and it means that the real number is of little importance to me.

   Chicago huh....well I'll be...I am surprised...Was it for 3.5 million a year ...... Heck, now he is gonna rebound hard on us......and shoot that "corner jumper"  for 3.......oh yea he didn't do that here.....Well, maybe he will do some tangibles there....! He could be the first Bball player to have to wear a helmet....a RED one 

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Heyyyyy, okay, you got me...That wasn't "Brian Scalabrini" we had to watch all those years.......That was Wil Farrells basketball character...NOW it all makes sense......looking up so crazy at the camera when he had that concussion...Farrell is crazy....I am surprised Farrell / Scal didn't streak...into the laker playoff series...!

[Phil125]

I know this is not what that article is about but worst least productive celtic of all time is hands down  Vin Baker

Or do I get banned for mentioning his name on this site?

[BballTim]

I know this is not what that article is about but worst least productive celtic of all time is hands down  Vin Baker

Or do I get banned for mentioning his name on this site?

  Why would you expect to get banned for saying Vin Baker? That's kind of a bizarre expectation.