CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Western Conference

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Bynum only had a torn meniscus

In the past three years, Bynum has yet to finish a season healthy.

I don't see how he isn't as big an injury concern as Yao and Oden.

That's fine.

For me it's the bone structure that I see as the problem with Yao and Oden. Microfracture surgery and a kneecap breaking apart for Oden without any direct contact? Now add to that a broken wrist playing a physical game? That spells brittle bones and major problems. But as I said, I gave Oden the benefit of the doubt.

But Yao I can't. He hasn't played in a year and a half. Doctors called the injury possibly career ending both when he first broke the foot and after it didn't heal after the first surgery. He broke his left foot originally, had a stress fracture in the foot and then another "hairline" fracture that was diagnosed as possibly career ending. That again shows a bone structure problem that is long term and severely chronic. That I couldn't ignore.

As for Bynum, his first two injuries to different legs were contact injuries. One he landed on Odom's foot and the other Kobe smashed into his knee. these are structural problems. They are just bad luck. I see a huge difference in his problems versus those of Oden and Yao. Huge, huge difference.

How are three seasons of knee injuries not structural?

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By the way, the Infallible Kelley Dwyer ranked Yao as the 12th best center next season, behind Greg Oden, Al Jefferson, and Marc Gasol, among others.

1) I know for a fact now that Roy reads my posts, because I mis-spelled 'Kelly Dwyer' a few days ago and he's been spelling it 'Kelley Dwyer' since.

2) Do we give an award for "Post that annoyed roy the most", because frankly I don't even think we need a vote anymore.

5. Derrick Rose(notes), Chicago Bulls (last year: 11th)

I take in quite a bit of noise for Bulls fans for pointing out Rose's bad defense, his inability to consistently get to the line and his so-so passing. But I also saw him hit a 3-pointer a few days ago -- it had arc, rotation, follow-through; the whole schmear -- and I can't help but bump the guy up. Especially with a screening-and-finishing partner in Carlos Boozer(notes) waltzing into town.

Kelly Dwyer is a Bulls fan, and a guy who has a pretty rosy outlook for those players, he put Derrick Rose as the 5th best overall PG in the league..and even he thought Derrick Rose can play some bad defense.

If that is Dwyer's argument, he's wrong.  A Bulls fan complains about Rondo's defense?  Well, a lot of Celtics fans complain about Rondo's defense.  Why?  Because it's impossible for any point guard to keep his man in front of him 100% of the time. 

Rose held opposing point guards to 84% of their normal production last year, with a PER of 14.9.  That's pretty darn good (and incidentally, both numbers are better than Rondo's).  For the record, I'm not the only one arguing it, either:

Rose ... is a good-to-very good defender.

Yeah but neither you or Who is being paid to write what you think about basketball. I'd defer to Dwyer here about his own guy.

Yikes. That one is...lingering...

EDIT: (I kid with Roy, he knows that)

[nickagneta]

Bynum only had a torn meniscus

In the past three years, Bynum has yet to finish a season healthy.

I don't see how he isn't as big an injury concern as Yao and Oden.

That's fine.

For me it's the bone structure that I see as the problem with Yao and Oden. Microfracture surgery and a kneecap breaking apart for Oden without any direct contact? Now add to that a broken wrist playing a physical game? That spells brittle bones and major problems. But as I said, I gave Oden the benefit of the doubt.

But Yao I can't. He hasn't played in a year and a half. Doctors called the injury possibly career ending both when he first broke the foot and after it didn't heal after the first surgery. He broke his left foot originally, had a stress fracture in the foot and then another "hairline" fracture that was diagnosed as possibly career ending. That again shows a bone structure problem that is long term and severely chronic. That I couldn't ignore.

As for Bynum, his first two injuries to different legs were contact injuries. One he landed on Odom's foot and the other Kobe smashed into his knee. these are structural problems. They are just bad luck. I see a huge difference in his problems versus those of Oden and Yao. Huge, huge difference.

How are three seasons of knee injuries not structural?

They aren't structural defects like brittle bones or structurely weak bone areas that have to much stress due to weight and size. Chances are that is Oden and Yao weren't basketball players they would have had injuries in the places they did anyway.

Bynum's injuries were caused because of happenstance. He landed on someone's foot and twisted his knee, much like Perk. Or he had a person barrel into his other knee(his first two injuries were different knees after all). His injuries didn't occur due to genetic weaknesses of his structure.

For that reason and for the fact that he only has ever had minor arthroscopic surgery not major reconstruction surgery, Bynum to me does not have a long term structural problem and would be able to be 100% in the future while the other two SHOULD be doubted.

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Bynum only had a torn meniscus

In the past three years, Bynum has yet to finish a season healthy.

I don't see how he isn't as big an injury concern as Yao and Oden.

That's fine.

For me it's the bone structure that I see as the problem with Yao and Oden. Microfracture surgery and a kneecap breaking apart for Oden without any direct contact? Now add to that a broken wrist playing a physical game? That spells brittle bones and major problems. But as I said, I gave Oden the benefit of the doubt.

But Yao I can't. He hasn't played in a year and a half. Doctors called the injury possibly career ending both when he first broke the foot and after it didn't heal after the first surgery. He broke his left foot originally, had a stress fracture in the foot and then another "hairline" fracture that was diagnosed as possibly career ending. That again shows a bone structure problem that is long term and severely chronic. That I couldn't ignore.

As for Bynum, his first two injuries to different legs were contact injuries. One he landed on Odom's foot and the other Kobe smashed into his knee. these are structural problems. They are just bad luck. I see a huge difference in his problems versus those of Oden and Yao. Huge, huge difference.

How are three seasons of knee injuries not structural?

They aren't structural defects like brittle bones or structurely weak bone areas that have to much stress due to weight and size. Chances are that is Oden and Yao weren't basketball players they would have had injuries in the places they did anyway.

Bynum's injuries were caused because of happenstance. He landed on someone's foot and twisted his knee, much like Perk. Or he had a person barrel into his other knee(his first two injuries were different knees after all). His injuries didn't occur due to genetic weaknesses of his structure.

For that reason and for the fact that he only has ever had minor arthroscopic surgery not major reconstruction surgery, Bynum to me does not have a long term structural problem and would be able to be 100% in the future while the other two SHOULD be doubted.

Bynum only had a torn meniscus

In the past three years, Bynum has yet to finish a season healthy.

I don't see how he isn't as big an injury concern as Yao and Oden.

That's fine.

For me it's the bone structure that I see as the problem with Yao and Oden. Microfracture surgery and a kneecap breaking apart for Oden without any direct contact? Now add to that a broken wrist playing a physical game? That spells brittle bones and major problems. But as I said, I gave Oden the benefit of the doubt.

But Yao I can't. He hasn't played in a year and a half. Doctors called the injury possibly career ending both when he first broke the foot and after it didn't heal after the first surgery. He broke his left foot originally, had a stress fracture in the foot and then another "hairline" fracture that was diagnosed as possibly career ending. That again shows a bone structure problem that is long term and severely chronic. That I couldn't ignore.

As for Bynum, his first two injuries to different legs were contact injuries. One he landed on Odom's foot and the other Kobe smashed into his knee. these are structural problems. They are just bad luck. I see a huge difference in his problems versus those of Oden and Yao. Huge, huge difference.

How are three seasons of knee injuries not structural?

They aren't structural defects like brittle bones or structurely weak bone areas that have to much stress due to weight and size. Chances are that is Oden and Yao weren't basketball players they would have had injuries in the places they did anyway.

Bynum's injuries were caused because of happenstance. He landed on someone's foot and twisted his knee, much like Perk. Or he had a person barrel into his other knee(his first two injuries were different knees after all). His injuries didn't occur due to genetic weaknesses of his structure.

For that reason and for the fact that he only has ever had minor arthroscopic surgery not major reconstruction surgery, Bynum to me does not have a long term structural problem and would be able to be 100% in the future while the other two SHOULD be doubted.

Meh, I just kind of disagree. You said Oden breaking his wrist was suspect (when he hurt it on another player), in 09 he bumped his knee on maggette, fracturing his knee cap, and the only real injury that fits your pattern but not Bynum's is his most recent.

Yao I buy a little more, but I'm hopeful.

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And I mean, I do think that if I had to lay money on it as to who is playing in game 7 of the finals next year (assuming all three could make it), I'd guess Bynum, but the odds that he's healthy are against the last 3 years.

[Fafnir]

Bynum only had a torn meniscus

In the past three years, Bynum has yet to finish a season healthy.

I don't see how he isn't as big an injury concern as Yao and Oden.

That's fine.

For me it's the bone structure that I see as the problem with Yao and Oden. Microfracture surgery and a kneecap breaking apart for Oden without any direct contact? Now add to that a broken wrist playing a physical game? That spells brittle bones and major problems. But as I said, I gave Oden the benefit of the doubt.

But Yao I can't. He hasn't played in a year and a half. Doctors called the injury possibly career ending both when he first broke the foot and after it didn't heal after the first surgery. He broke his left foot originally, had a stress fracture in the foot and then another "hairline" fracture that was diagnosed as possibly career ending. That again shows a bone structure problem that is long term and severely chronic. That I couldn't ignore.

As for Bynum, his first two injuries to different legs were contact injuries. One he landed on Odom's foot and the other Kobe smashed into his knee. these are structural problems. They are just bad luck. I see a huge difference in his problems versus those of Oden and Yao. Huge, huge difference.

How are three seasons of knee injuries not structural?

They aren't structural defects like brittle bones or structurely weak bone areas that have to much stress due to weight and size. Chances are that is Oden and Yao weren't basketball players they would have had injuries in the places they did anyway.

Bynum's injuries were caused because of happenstance. He landed on someone's foot and twisted his knee, much like Perk. Or he had a person barrel into his other knee(his first two injuries were different knees after all). His injuries didn't occur due to genetic weaknesses of his structure.

For that reason and for the fact that he only has ever had minor arthroscopic surgery not major reconstruction surgery, Bynum to me does not have a long term structural problem and would be able to be 100% in the future while the other two SHOULD be doubted.

Um okay whatever nick. The guy has torn up his knees three years in a row, that indicates to me that he's pretty high on the injury concern list. Its not happenstance when it keeps happening year after year.

Next you're going to tell me Brandon Roy doesn't warrant injury concerns? Or that Bob Sanders hasn't had any structural injuries so we shouldn't worry?

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Next you're going to tell me Brandon Roy doesn't warrant injury concerns?

There was a brief moment while Nowitzki was still on the board that I thought I could still get him with a #1 I traded up for.

If I would've gotten Dirk I would've tried to trade LeBron for Brandon Roy and whatever other teams' 2nd and 5 round pick, evening them out in the later rounds.

Oh the dreams we have...