2010 CB Draft: Southeast Division Press Conferences

[StartOrien]

I guess "similarly skilled" isn't neccesarily what I meant, maybe more of a lack of change of pace guys.

There's a lot of shooters, which is fine but I'm suprised to not see any 'stoppers' at the wing positions. Especially with the obvious defensive concerns with Reddick, Ridnour and Hinrich. While Reddick & Hinrich aren't terrible defenders, they strattle the line between average and subpar.

[Lucky17]

Wish I could put more thought into this, but today is not a good day. Perhaps I'll revisit later.

No team is without serious question marks here. At the same time, I don't see a whole lot separating these teams. An extremely competitive division.

1. McRoberts aside, I think Orlando has the most depth and versatility in their roster, particularly in the backcourt. Perhaps an overreliance on young and unproven bigs, but enough bodies to find the right mix/hot hand.

2. Washington, too, has nice depth. Injuries are a huge concern, and if the bug bites, then they drop precipitously. But the frontcourt rotation of Scola/Haslem/Bynum is solid. Would prefer more of a sure thing to Greene, if there are minutes available. A lot of scoring in the backcourt, but few distributors, so offense may bog down at times. Also, not sold on the SF rotation just yet.

3. Charlattle is extremely thin on depth. Really a seven-man rotation, as I doubt that any of their bench aside from Blair or Stuckey can be relied on for production. Gay and Amare a serious one-two punch, and will have to carry the team on offense (although some garbage points for Okafor, and occasional jumpers from Battier).

4. Atlanta's backcourt will have problems against the rest of the division (Washington's maybe the least problematic for them to defend). Butler may be pressed into service vs. Johnson and Gay. Okur coming off surgery, and Brand is in dire need of a renaissance. A lot on Durant's shoulders.

5. Miami will get little production from its SF position. Nash will really need to elevate his teammates' play. A lack of frontcourt size will hurt them against the rest of the division.

[nickagneta]

I wondering about the questions regarding Manu Ginobili's health. Yes in 2008-09 he got injured and missed the end of the season then tried to play international ball that summer only to make matters worse and start last year slowed. That really is the only major loss of time in his career. The year he missed 17 games he missed 8 games here and three games there and two there. It wasn't as if he was majorly injured.

He had one major injury in 2008-09 which cost him half the season and the playoffs but other that that he's played 72 games a year on average and played in almost every single playoff if not every one and played excellently, including last year when he was his team's best playoff performer.

Manu is old but I don't see him being any more or less injury prone than say Kobe Bryant who has also had years of missing 18 games, 16 games, 2 games, 5 games and 9 games in recent years. He had a bad injury year but other than that, he's there, especially come playoff time.

[KCattheStripe]

3. Charlattle is extremely thin on depth. Really a seven-man rotation, as I doubt that any of their bench aside from Blair or Stuckey can be relied on for production. Gay and Amare a serious one-two punch, and will have to carry the team.

Anthony Tolliver logged in 30 + minutes (Scoring 11 points and taking down 7 boards) last year while Luther Head scored 7.5 ppg in 17 minutes, AJ Price had similar numbers on the same team. Sam Young was a 6th man on a 40 win team. We're deeper than you think.


Off topic, I love the names people are coming up with us. I think we might combine IP and Lucky's efforts, THe Charlottle Supercats!

[KCattheStripe]

I wondering about the questions regarding Manu Ginobili's health. Yes in 2008-09 he got injured and missed the end of the season then tried to play international ball that summer only to make matters worse and start last year slowed. That really is the only major loss of time in his career. The year he missed 17 games he missed 8 games here and three games there and two there. It wasn't as if he was majorly injured.

He had one major injury in 2008-09 which cost him half the season and the playoffs but other that that he's played 72 games a year on average and played in almost every single playoff if not every one and played excellently, including last year when he was his team's best playoff performer.

Manu is old but I don't see him being any more or less injury prone than say Kobe Bryant who has also had years of missing 18 games, 16 games, 2 games, 5 games and 9 games in recent years. He had a bad injury year but other than that, he's there, especially come playoff time.

He's also not on Kobe's level as a player. So the injury risk, now that he's 33 coupled with the fact that he was never a top 5 player makes it a gamble.

[Fafnir]

3. Charlattle is extremely thin on depth. Really a seven-man rotation, as I doubt that any of their bench aside from Blair or Stuckey can be relied on for production. Gay and Amare a serious one-two punch, and will have to carry the team.

Anthony Tolliver logged in 30 + minutes (Scoring 11 points and taking down 7 boards) last year while Luther Head scored 7.5 ppg in 17 minutes, AJ Price had similar numbers on the same team. Sam Young was a 6th man on a 40 win team. We're deeper than you think.


Off topic, I love the names people are coming up with us. I think we might combine IP and Lucky's efforts, THe Charlottle Supercats!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tollian01.html

Tolliver is a fringe rotation guy.

His production is similar to this guy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mooremi01.html

[nickagneta]

I wondering about the questions regarding Manu Ginobili's health. Yes in 2008-09 he got injured and missed the end of the season then tried to play international ball that summer only to make matters worse and start last year slowed. That really is the only major loss of time in his career. The year he missed 17 games he missed 8 games here and three games there and two there. It wasn't as if he was majorly injured.

He had one major injury in 2008-09 which cost him half the season and the playoffs but other that that he's played 72 games a year on average and played in almost every single playoff if not every one and played excellently, including last year when he was his team's best playoff performer.

Manu is old but I don't see him being any more or less injury prone than say Kobe Bryant who has also had years of missing 18 games, 16 games, 2 games, 5 games and 9 games in recent years. He had a bad injury year but other than that, he's there, especially come playoff time.

He's also not on Kobe's level as a player. So the injury risk, now that he's 33 coupled with the fact that he was never a top 5 player makes it a gamble.

So then I guess we should be questioning a guy like Brandon Roy being healthy or injury prone? In 4 years he's averaged playing only 68 games a year.

Or what about one of your guys KC? I don't see a lot of talk about injury worry for Amare yet he's only averaged playing in 64 games per year over his 8 year career, a number, by the way that is lower than the average number of games that Manu has played in an an 8 year career. 3 times in 8 years Amare hasn't played more than 55 games in his career. Should your team be constantly punished because Amare, besides being a mediocre defensive player that isn't a good rebounder, also should be criticized for being injury prone?

[KCattheStripe]

3. Charlattle is extremely thin on depth. Really a seven-man rotation, as I doubt that any of their bench aside from Blair or Stuckey can be relied on for production. Gay and Amare a serious one-two punch, and will have to carry the team.

Anthony Tolliver logged in 30 + minutes (Scoring 11 points and taking down 7 boards) last year while Luther Head scored 7.5 ppg in 17 minutes, AJ Price had similar numbers on the same team. Sam Young was a 6th man on a 40 win team. We're deeper than you think.


Off topic, I love the names people are coming up with us. I think we might combine IP and Lucky's efforts, THe Charlottle Supercats!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tollian01.html

Tolliver is a fringe rotation guy.

His production is similar to this guy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mooremi01.html

First off, if you can log 30 + minutes a game in the NBA you're not a fringe anything. Secondly, he's my 4th big.

Thirdly, It took Mikki Moore 9 years in the NBA to earn the type of minutes Tolliver took last year in Gstate and even then he never had Tolliver's three point range.

[jgod213]

I wondering about the questions regarding Manu Ginobili's health. Yes in 2008-09 he got injured and missed the end of the season then tried to play international ball that summer only to make matters worse and start last year slowed. That really is the only major loss of time in his career. The year he missed 17 games he missed 8 games here and three games there and two there. It wasn't as if he was majorly injured.

He had one major injury in 2008-09 which cost him half the season and the playoffs but other that that he's played 72 games a year on average and played in almost every single playoff if not every one and played excellently, including last year when he was his team's best playoff performer.

Manu is old but I don't see him being any more or less injury prone than say Kobe Bryant who has also had years of missing 18 games, 16 games, 2 games, 5 games and 9 games in recent years. He had a bad injury year but other than that, he's there, especially come playoff time.

He's also not on Kobe's level as a player. So the injury risk, now that he's 33 coupled with the fact that he was never a top 5 player makes it a gamble.

So then I guess we should be questioning a guy like Brandon Roy being healthy or injury prone? In 4 years he's averaged playing only 68 games a year.

Or what about one of your guys KC? I don't see a lot of talk about injury worry for Amare yet he's only averaged playing in 64 games per year over his 8 year career, a number, by the way that is lower than the average number of games that Manu has played in an an 8 year career. 3 times in 8 years Amare hasn't played more than 55 games in career. Should your team be constantly punished because Amare, besides being a mediocre defensive player that isn't a good rebounder, also should be criticized for being injury prone?

As the late, great Guru once said, "you got to give the credit where it is due."

Nick, i called out Manu as well for being injury prone, but looking back at his history i didn't realize just how consistent he is in terms of showing up every night.  Certainly the fact that he has had ankle surgeries in the past 2 seasons can't be discounted, but he does seem to find his way back onto the court more often than not.  What troubled me the most was his dip in FG% over the past 3 years in the playoffs.  Do you believe the two issues are related or could you explain the drop in some other way? Perhaps Duncan's drop in effectiveness has shifted opposing defenses into focusing more on containing Manu?

[KCattheStripe]

I wondering about the questions regarding Manu Ginobili's health. Yes in 2008-09 he got injured and missed the end of the season then tried to play international ball that summer only to make matters worse and start last year slowed. That really is the only major loss of time in his career. The year he missed 17 games he missed 8 games here and three games there and two there. It wasn't as if he was majorly injured.

He had one major injury in 2008-09 which cost him half the season and the playoffs but other that that he's played 72 games a year on average and played in almost every single playoff if not every one and played excellently, including last year when he was his team's best playoff performer.

Manu is old but I don't see him being any more or less injury prone than say Kobe Bryant who has also had years of missing 18 games, 16 games, 2 games, 5 games and 9 games in recent years. He had a bad injury year but other than that, he's there, especially come playoff time.

He's also not on Kobe's level as a player. So the injury risk, now that he's 33 coupled with the fact that he was never a top 5 player makes it a gamble.

So then I guess we should be questioning a guy like Brandon Roy being healthy or injury prone? In 4 years he's averaged playing only 68 games a year.

Or what about one of your guys KC? I don't see a lot of talk about injury worry for Amare yet he's only averaged playing in 64 games per year over his 8 year career, a number, by the way that is lower than the average number of games that Manu has played in an an 8 year career. 3 times in 8 years Amare hasn't played more than 55 games in his career. Should your team be constantly punished because Amare, besides being a mediocre defensive player that isn't a good rebounder, also should be criticized for being injury prone?

A) Amar'e is 6 years younger than Manu which means that Manu is less likely to ever fully regain his elite abilities or recover from another injury.
B) that 64 games number is skewed by the terrible in jury he had in 05-06 in which he only played 3 games, from which he has bounced back to play in 82,79,53 and 82 games
C) Not like Manu's defense is on lockdown anymore.

[Fafnir]

3. Charlattle is extremely thin on depth. Really a seven-man rotation, as I doubt that any of their bench aside from Blair or Stuckey can be relied on for production. Gay and Amare a serious one-two punch, and will have to carry the team.

Anthony Tolliver logged in 30 + minutes (Scoring 11 points and taking down 7 boards) last year while Luther Head scored 7.5 ppg in 17 minutes, AJ Price had similar numbers on the same team. Sam Young was a 6th man on a 40 win team. We're deeper than you think.


Off topic, I love the names people are coming up with us. I think we might combine IP and Lucky's efforts, THe Charlottle Supercats!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tollian01.html

Tolliver is a fringe rotation guy.

His production is similar to this guy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mooremi01.html

First off, if you can log 30 + minutes a game in the NBA you're not a fringe anything. Secondly, he's my 4th big.

Thirdly, It took Mikki Moore 9 years in the NBA to earn the type of minutes Tolliver took last year in Gstate and even then he never had Tolliver's three point range.

He logged those minutes with the warriors after they were completely decimated by injuries.

[nickagneta]

I wondering about the questions regarding Manu Ginobili's health. Yes in 2008-09 he got injured and missed the end of the season then tried to play international ball that summer only to make matters worse and start last year slowed. That really is the only major loss of time in his career. The year he missed 17 games he missed 8 games here and three games there and two there. It wasn't as if he was majorly injured.

He had one major injury in 2008-09 which cost him half the season and the playoffs but other that that he's played 72 games a year on average and played in almost every single playoff if not every one and played excellently, including last year when he was his team's best playoff performer.

Manu is old but I don't see him being any more or less injury prone than say Kobe Bryant who has also had years of missing 18 games, 16 games, 2 games, 5 games and 9 games in recent years. He had a bad injury year but other than that, he's there, especially come playoff time.

He's also not on Kobe's level as a player. So the injury risk, now that he's 33 coupled with the fact that he was never a top 5 player makes it a gamble.

So then I guess we should be questioning a guy like Brandon Roy being healthy or injury prone? In 4 years he's averaged playing only 68 games a year.

Or what about one of your guys KC? I don't see a lot of talk about injury worry for Amare yet he's only averaged playing in 64 games per year over his 8 year career, a number, by the way that is lower than the average number of games that Manu has played in an an 8 year career. 3 times in 8 years Amare hasn't played more than 55 games in his career. Should your team be constantly punished because Amare, besides being a mediocre defensive player that isn't a good rebounder, also should be criticized for being injury prone?

A) Amar'e is 6 years younger than Manu which means that Manu is less likely to ever fully regain his elite abilities or recover from another injury.
B) that 64 games number is skewed by the terrible in jury he had in 05-06 in which he only played 3 games, from which he has bounced back to play in 82,79,53 and 82 games
C) Not like Manu's defense is on lockdown anymore.

Manu recovered from his last injury to put up almost 20 PPG, 6 APG, 4 RPG and 3 SPG in 10 games in last years playoffs. All above his career stats at the age of 32.

What exactly was Amare's excuse for scoring 1 point less per games and hauling in 2 less rebounds per games than his career stats during last year's playoffs when he was 27?

All I am saying is that I don't think Manu is an injury problem much the way I don't see Amare as being an injury problem

[indeedproceed]

manu has had 2 surgeries in 2 years. he's got to last at least 100 games, unless you plan on sweeping everyone on your way to a championship. manu ginobli as your third option is a substantial risk, nevermimd the fact that he's your first..
if manu can last an entire season then we can talk about how he's no longer an injury risk. until then, as a famous man once said, these are the breaks......

[KCattheStripe]

manu has had 2 surgeries in 2 years. he's got to last at least 100 games, unless you plan on sweeping everyone on your way to a championship. manu ginobli as your third option is a substantial risk, nevermimd the fact that he's your first..
if manu can last an entire season then we can talk about how he's no longer an injury risk. until then, as a famous man once said, these are the breaks......

+1

[KCattheStripe]

3. Charlattle is extremely thin on depth. Really a seven-man rotation, as I doubt that any of their bench aside from Blair or Stuckey can be relied on for production. Gay and Amare a serious one-two punch, and will have to carry the team.

Anthony Tolliver logged in 30 + minutes (Scoring 11 points and taking down 7 boards) last year while Luther Head scored 7.5 ppg in 17 minutes, AJ Price had similar numbers on the same team. Sam Young was a 6th man on a 40 win team. We're deeper than you think.


Off topic, I love the names people are coming up with us. I think we might combine IP and Lucky's efforts, THe Charlottle Supercats!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tollian01.html

Tolliver is a fringe rotation guy.

His production is similar to this guy:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mooremi01.html

First off, if you can log 30 + minutes a game in the NBA you're not a fringe anything. Secondly, he's my 4th big.

Thirdly, It took Mikki Moore 9 years in the NBA to earn the type of minutes Tolliver took last year in Gstate and even then he never had Tolliver's three point range.

He logged those minutes with the warriors after they were completely decimated by injuries.

And produced at a very solid clip for someone who will be a 4th big. Much like that warriors team, he'd only be starting if we're decimated by injuries.