sounds good...love it
but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?
lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?
Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine 
A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense? Can he play the 3?
When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys. I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.
We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.
Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.
Snakehead -- here was where this started. It's about Baby for Rush. Much as I like Rush, I say no without a contingency plan that doesn't include relying on JO at the 4 -- particularly when he needs to play the 5 on this team.
Meanwhile, I think you misunderstand where JO is at in his career. You actully compared him to Duncan, which is laughable at any stage of his career, muchless when he's got 14 NBA seasons on his treads. His value to the Cs is on D, not in abusing opponents offensively. I got a good snicker out of that one. If he could, why wouldn't he have done it in Miami or Toronto? That ship has long since sailed.
Regardless of the semantic debate about how good / bad / capable O'neal is at this point in his career, he's not going to play major minutes at the 4 for the Celtics this season barring desparate measures due to injury.
That's where it started but the point was about Jermaine being able to and having played PF... is that not what we discussed?
I compared him to Duncan only because Duncan is regarded as the greatest POWER FORWARD of all time by many, but guess where he actually plays a lot of minutes? Center. That was the point. Go back and read my post and see if I even mentioned their talents in comparison.
Jermaine has been averaging about 13-14 PPG for the last few seasons, apparently that is incapable? Because those numbers are similar to KG's. This is on worse teams inside and out, where Jermaine is getting much more defensive attention, and without a decent PG to toss the ball into him or as good of passers all around. KG averaged 14 PPG last year, and was assisted on 80% + of his baskets in comparison to Jermaines 59 %. He will benefit a lot from Rondo and the rest of our team. His shot selection is also very similar to KG's, with both taking about 70% jumpers for about 6-7 points a game.
http://www.82games.com/0910/09BOS14.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08MIA17.HTM#pstats
I think he will be much better on offense than you do I guess, especially considering he is now on a better team where he will be less of a defensive focus for the opposition. Remember all those times Perk does not have to be honestly guarded or fumbled dump off passes or lobs or is simply not a target for either? Or of course the patented Perk shuffle travel call he gets at least once a game. Jermaine will be able to do those things inside for us. I think he'll play more C certainly but don't see why he can't play PF. We'll see what Doc wants to run I guess.
I think we're starting to split hairs here. My point about MIA and TOR was: if he creates such terrific match up problems at the 4, why didn't they play him there? Or, if he's such an effective jump shooter, why didn't he take Perk into the high post in the playoffs? Yes, he can be an effective O player with less attention from the opposing D and shoot a high percentage, but I see him doing that at the 5, not the 4. I'd imagine the Cs agreed with me when they signed him. They needed a Perk replacemewnt / eventual back-up -- that's why he's here.
Meanwhile, Shaq and JO on the floor together is one scary thought if the Cs hope to maintain the same style of defense. Teams with sufficient pick-n-roll capabilities will eat that alive. And you can compare Jermaine's offensive game to KGs -- thought I don't care what the stats say, KG is a far superior shooter, and far mentally tougher -- but you cannot compare their defense.
Well Toronto has Chris Bosh, one of the NBA's best PF's and more of a finesse guy, so if those are your best big talents you're obviously going to play Jermaine at the C. And in Miami it's the same thing, they have Beasley and Haslem as PF's, no Center options but Jermaine. We have a similar situaton since KG is obviously the better PF and not a C, but Jermaine could play there. Center's are not too common in the NBA, so if you can play C you will probably be asked to.
He didn't take Perk into the high post too much because he was playing C and asked to play around the rim more. Perk is a great defender and since KG certainly didn't need help on his PF matchup he could lock down Jermaine. He doesn't have to give him room to shoot jump shots from short range in that situation, and it's not like he had the pick and roll really in Miami to use. There's also the talk of him being injured, but I don't know much about that. Point being KG and Perk shut down a lot of people, so I'm not going to hate on Jermaine for that.
I agree about KG being a better shooter, my point was only they have similar offensive games as far as taking shots from outside. KG is a much better defender all around but Jermaine is a good shot blocker, better than KG was last year actually. KG had .8 BPG while Jermaine had 1.4.
And Shaq and Jermaine isn't a good pick and roll combo on defense, but this would be a combo played against second units. That's not that bad there. And on offense you can dominate second units inside with that lineup.
